Why so many mixers all of a sudden? - page 2.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

- Well, obviously it's obvious that after the incident with the chipmixer, many mixers came out here in the forum campaign bounty,
and as far as I can see, there is nothing wrong if there are more mixers.

This is just proof that many communities here on the forum use bitcoin mixing when they do bitcoin transactions. So that's good so we can see which one is cheaper and the service they provide to their clients is also good.

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Quote from: Husires on May 19, 2023, 08:58:39 PM

Perhaps the correct question is why so many mixers are started signature campaigns here, and the reason for this is the increase in the number of users who are beginning to care about privacy, especially since solutions such as coinjoin are questionable in their ability to hide identity.

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This news was in the year 2022, and here, many users are using mixing services, and with the absence of a ChipMixer, this market has become in need of many alternatives, which are now limited to less than 6 mixing services, while in the past there were many.

That's correct; most of these mixers have been on the market for quite a few years but weren't advertised enough, due to the large user base of ChipMixer, the majority of them were overshadowed. They've now all recently started their own through signature campaigns, and their presence on the forum makes it much more prevalent now. That also shows the power signature campaigns have, which we often forget because some of us take them for granted. With ChipMixer gone, other platforms took advantage of the void in the market and took action to promote themselves to the public.

It's actually surprising that we often overlook how powerful signature campaigns are, but the truth is that if it weren't for them, we wouldn't acknowledge any of these services or platforms now.

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on May 19, 2023, 08:39:50 PM

I see many of them have their mixers in this forum years ago. It is only their matter of failure to attract people to use their services because ChipMixer was there and so famous.

After ChipMixer was seized, those old mixers decided to run more marketing when they saw more chances to get new customers.

ChipMixer was indeed very popular on Bitcointalk and I believe their signature campaigns were among the best on the forum. However, after its seizure it created an opportunity for other mixers to emerge and attract a huge number of customers. This is why we are currently seeing many new mixers being introduced and being on use.

Quote from: BlackBoss_ on May 19, 2023, 08:39:50 PM

There are only two new mixers if I am not mixing: Whirlwind and Sinbad. Other mixers are very old.

Whirlwind and Sindbad are indeed reputable mixers, but let's not forget Unijoin either. It's a relatively new mixer and the team behind it is known for its professionalism and expertise. Unijoin has gained recognition in the mixing community and deserves consideration alongside other established mixers.

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Nobody knows the exact correct answers. It's just an assumption that the CM seizure allowed other businesses to expand. CM was a popular service, and its users had a pick an alternative service. Of course, they will choose the best mixers around. Maybe that's why we are seeing more mixers coming to the forum. I see this as positive competition. Every mixer will try to improve their service as best as possible to get Ex-CM users' attention. I would call it healthy competition.

Moreover, you don't know if CM has already started its business under a new Brand name. I wear the WhirlWind signature and avatar, and I know their service facilities. I haven't seen a mixer service without fees other than WhirlWind. Right now, the WhirlWind mixer service is entirely free. Even on-chain transactions don't charge transaction fees.

However, I don't think this discussion should be on the Bitcoin Discussion board. Does it fit here?

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Mixer services only increase their visibility more in this forum (I don't think they are anywhere else), that's why you suddenly see some mixer brands. I don't know if CM's popularity in the past was because it managed to absorb some of the users from this place, now that it's closed I think this forum is the only favorite place for ex-users to find alternatives where there are more credible testers and reviewers.

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Quote from: Outhue on May 20, 2023, 01:48:03 AM

I will never complain of too many mixers mate, why are you complaining? Many people wished that Bitcoin has privacy feature and a mixer makes it possible, so many people are now tasty of Bitcoin mixer, it's a dream come true if new mixers are showing up, most importantly if they come with new features, not all Bitcoin mixer users are criminals, some of care about their privacy, it's their way of living, they don't trust the government.

Mixers developers should try to keep their info and identity very secretly, it will be harder for the government to crack down the mixer service unless they get their hands on some information or the developers revealed who they are.

I don't think he's complaining, he's just surprised by the sudden increase in launches of mixers. And I do agree to you that this is even much better that we've got a lot of mixers and that's because everyone is valuing their privacy. But at the same time, it's also scary on what if it's the FED that has made the other new mixers and they're just trying to trap people into the usage of the mixer that they've made. Regardless of that, the increase of these mixers are good for most of us because we've got a lot of choices on where shall we increase our anonymity through the variants of theirs. If you're also satisfied with ones service, you'll stay there and at the same time the fees do matter on whichever is the most affordable yet the percentage of anonymity is better, that's where people will be going.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

The most popular mixer I knew was Chipmixer, and since they've been locked by FBI/Europol, this has been a good opportunity for new ones and the old competitors. It would have been nice if you could name many of the mixers you referred to, this is because it might surprise you the time some of them have even started, they are now been noticed after Chipmixer was gone.

Also, mixing algorithms and systems might be a bit difficult when it was first started, but the mechanism is already known now, so anyone good with coding could write it and start the business as easily as that. You should expect more in due course, only you have to be careful and use the ones you trust since mixers scam too.

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I will never complain of too many mixers mate, why are you complaining? Many people wished that Bitcoin has privacy feature and a mixer makes it possible, so many people are now tasty of Bitcoin mixer, it's a dream come true if new mixers are showing up, most importantly if they come with new features, not all Bitcoin mixer users are criminals, some of care about their privacy, it's their way of living, they don't trust the government.

Mixers developers should try to keep their info and identity very secretly, it will be harder for the government to crack down the mixer service unless they get their hands on some information or the developers revealed who they are.

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The reason is that people still want privacy for their coins and transactions even after CM was seized by the authorities and all those in race have come up with new promotions and signature campaign on forum to attract people to use their service and boost up their user base.They might be there earlier also but Chipmixer was the most famous and well known mixing service that others were not used much but now they have open space so you see lot of them competing here and providing their services.

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Quote from: retreat on May 20, 2023, 01:07:51 AM

It's simple. Because when CM was successful, it was quite difficult for new mixers to be able to fight against their popularity, and then when it was blocked, these new mixers had the courage to launch their services to be able to get users who previously used CM services. They tried their luck to get CM users before and maybe if they succeed they will be as big as CM. However, I am sure that of the many mixers that have appeared, there must have been some that went bankrupt due to competition.

The mixers that are becoming popular on bitcointallk were already existing, after chipmixer unfortunate seizure, the other mixers are now becoming popular due to them launching their service on the forum. Before they all knew chipmixer was already dominating the forum because they had the best posters and nobody can compete with their payrate but now since they're out of the market others can shine.

A conspiracy theory might be, chipmixer has opened other mixers immediately or secretly bought the already existing ones and now marketing them just as they marketed chipmixer and made it very popular. They're trying the same strategy for the newly acquired mixers.

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It's simple. Because when CM was successful, it was quite difficult for new mixers to be able to fight against their popularity, and then when it was blocked, these new mixers had the courage to launch their services to be able to get users who previously used CM services. They tried their luck to get CM users before and maybe if they succeed they will be as big as CM. However, I am sure that of the many mixers that have appeared, there must have been some that went bankrupt due to competition.

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Perhaps the chipmixer's demise is part of the reason because it's really an opportunity for other mixers. Another thing is that we can see the government increasing regulations to control us more tightly. So it's no surprise that many people are looking for solutions to further keep their privacy.
You are right, there are many mixers on the market lately, but I think you need not worry. Instead, this is good for us because with the competition of mixers, users like us will benefit from more, more choices and other incentives when they compete with each other.

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Quote from: DaveF on May 19, 2023, 04:55:12 PM

3) Privacy is being discussed more and more so more people are looking for mixers

I can't say for sure but I believe this is part of the main reason.
If there were no demands, then there would be no supply. Simple economics. Probably not as many people saw the use for mixers one or maybe two years ago but they do now due to more awareness.
I for one saw a need for mixers after I joined the forum and I joined the forum towards the end of last year.

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Seizure of Chipmixer created big void in the bitcoin mixing service business so others think that they can utilise this void ti fill and bad some money and it makes sense too. Mixers aren't creating the chips out of thin air they just deliver you bitcoin from another track record instead of yours to break the link between you and your coins.

Many new bitcoin mixers have their ANN in bitcointalk too so where you can visit and get the feedback from people who tried their service which will be helpful for you to choose the right one.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

i think it's because there is a website where you can become a partner and make your own mixer website. You can visit this website https://jambler.io/become-seller.php, if you became a partner they will provide the website template and mixer script too.
they already have around 6 partners that you can use to mix your bitcoin.

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Perhaps the correct question is why so many mixers are started signature campaigns here, and the reason for this is the increase in the number of users who are beginning to care about privacy, especially since solutions such as coinjoin are questionable in their ability to hide identity.

Wasabi Wallet’s CoinJoin Coordinator to Blacklist Certain Bitcoin Transactions

This news was in the year 2022, and here, many users are using mixing services, and with the absence of a ChipMixer, this market has become in need of many alternatives, which are now limited to less than 6 mixing services, while in the past there were many.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

I see many of them have their mixers in this forum years ago. It is only their matter of failure to attract people to use their services because ChipMixer was there and so famous.

After ChipMixer was seized, those old mixers decided to run more marketing when they saw more chances to get new customers.

There are only two new mixers if I am not mixing: Whirlwind and Sinbad. Other mixers are very old.

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Chipmixer is seized by the government and pretty much mixing is a profitable business. Just by looking at the campaign alone, you can see a bunch of it, and all of it pay a heavy amount of money for signature. The business is high profitable just like gambling that is why is all over the place and after the chipmixer is gone there is a big hole and everyone want fill that hole.

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After the largest mixer was seized by the authorities, there must be a lot of people who were looking for alternatives. There wasn't much options around. Developers must have noticed this and come up with new ones. Meanwhile, the likes of Sinbad, for example, which has been around since Chipmixer's time rose to the fore. They must have thought it was their perfect time to shine.

So there was a sort of meeting halfway. Privacy-conscious people were searching for a new mixer to transfer to. Developers responded to the market demand.

However, it must also concern people that Chipmixer left with trust and confidence issues.

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