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Topic: Why the Bitcoin UASF has already won in case of a hard fork (Read 1161 times)

legendary
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ETH is about to overtake because of your boss Jihan Wu and we all gonna lose in the end. Please gtfo.
No. Ethereum gaining in price will not harm Bitcoin at all. Ethereum remains at these higher prices because there are lots of delusional people that continue buying insanely overpriced tokens.

Market cap and the price of Ethereum don't mean anything ~ actual usage does. As long as the Ethereum usage remains speculative, there is not much that will change.
legendary
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Bitcoin was always supposed to have big blocks.  Read the whitepaper amigo

then blame satoshi for not implementing dynamic blocksize in coin design or blocksize progress with halvings.
legendary
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Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
If theres a network split everyone wins.  You blockstream fan boys can have fun on your segwit chain, ill be moving onto big blocks.

If you love big blocks so much, why are you keep posting in this forum and not at the Big Blocks Forum may i ask? I thought  BU fanboys had their own forums at https://forum.bitcoin.com/

Please take your bullshit and go. Your kind damaged bitcoin to the ground ETH is about to overtake because of your boss Jihan Wu and we all gonna lose in the end. Please gtfo.

Bitcoin was always supposed to have big blocks.  Read the whitepaper amigo
legendary
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If theres a network split everyone wins.  You blockstream fan boys can have fun on your segwit chain, ill be moving onto big blocks.

If you love big blocks so much, why are you keep posting in this forum and not at the Big Blocks Forum may i ask? I thought  BU fanboys had their own forums at https://forum.bitcoin.com/

Please take your bullshit and go. Your kind damaged bitcoin to the ground ETH is about to overtake because of your boss Jihan Wu and we all gonna lose in the end. Please gtfo.
legendary
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True. When UASF chain takes the lead in POW, the whole Bitcoin economy going to use it as Bitcoin after the reorg. But what you fail to realize, prior this, no sane business going to name some smaller chain POW as Bitcoin - they would risk legal problems. Also the Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY scalling agreement which brings both SegWit and very small blocksize increase. For the UASF chain to even get chance to attract miners and become Bitcoin, it needs to be tradeable at some altcoin exchange - but so far no name decided and no exchange ready to trade the UASF chain altcoin.

bitfinex are discussing it. all exchanges care about is making money and there'll be a whole lot of money to be made.
sr. member
Activity: 276
Merit: 254
The non-UASF chain gets reorganized out of existence once the UASF chain takes the lead in POW.

True. When UASF chain takes the lead in POW, the whole Bitcoin economy going to use it as Bitcoin after the reorg. But what you fail to realize, prior this, no sane business going to name some smaller chain POW as Bitcoin - they would risk legal problems. Also the Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY scalling agreement which brings both SegWit and very small blocksize increase. For the UASF chain to even get chance to attract miners and become Bitcoin, it needs to be tradeable at some altcoin exchange - but so far no name decided and no exchange ready to trade the UASF chain altcoin.
hero member
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Let a fork happen if need be. Nobody should force others to use btc how they see fit, that kind of is the point of btc right? The whole.point is to allow users and miners to choose how to do things...

If big banks and corps are taking over, buy some mining gear or hasing power and put it into a pool you believe in. Everhone just sits around trying to convince jihan wu to do something. You dont need to!   You dont need him or his pool.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
If theres a network split everyone wins.  You blockstream fan boys can have fun on your segwit chain, ill be moving onto big blocks.
hero member
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I agree about the last bit. About the first... I think the battle will be more lopsided that most expect. If Ver actually manages to enlist other known whales to oppose BIP148 I'll rethink that, but at this point I expect most whales, even if they don't go public about it, will wind up acting in support of BIP148 due to the reorg risk, and the end to the scaling debate that BIP148 success represents. That last point may be key - all the people who say they are sick and tired of this will see light at the end of the tunnel with BIP148, versus no end in sight if it fails.


There's no relevant miners that post here. You're wasting your time parading around useless bluffs like this, and even if they were, they see right through that childish game.
legendary
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Merit: 4794
lol

so many people think its just a ver+jihan Vs the world..... (mega facepalm)

33% of pools hashpower accept segwit... not 67%.... 33%
even core fanboys only have a Satoshi:0.14.1(31.74%) uptake of staying uptodate.
even the ones that explicitly want segwit all cannot agree on UASF as the method.

those wanting segwit are not keeping upto date. thus dont expect uptopia.. expect drama of orphans and double spends

so come august 1st dont expect everyone to be changing over to the tier network

UASF is the worse way to try to force something in that not everyone wants..
if you think only 2 people dont want it. your deluded
legendary
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True, but that doesn't change the economic reality: Who is going to favor the unscaled old chain when we  - finally - have new improved bitcoin with Segwit and the Lightning Network come August 1?

there'll be some seriously rich people, or a certain person, willing to prop it up for as long as possible. it would be fun to see how long he lasts.

the next couple of months are gonna be so fud and psyops heavy i think i might turn off my internet. it hasn't even started yet.

I agree about the last bit. About the first... I think the battle will be more lopsided that most expect. If Ver actually manages to enlist other known whales to oppose BIP148 I'll rethink that, but at this point I expect most whales, even if they don't go public about it, will wind up acting in support of BIP148 due to the reorg risk, and the end to the scaling debate that BIP148 success represents. That last point may be key - all the people who say they are sick and tired of this will see light at the end of the tunnel with BIP148, versus no end in sight if it fails.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1087
True, but that doesn't change the economic reality: Who is going to favor the unscaled old chain when we  - finally - have new improved bitcoin with Segwit and the Lightning Network come August 1?

there'll be some seriously rich people, or a certain person, willing to prop it up for as long as possible. it would be fun to see how long he lasts.

the next couple of months are gonna be so fud and psyops heavy i think i might turn off my internet. it hasn't even started yet.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1036
If UASF chain wont get longest POW, then I dont see how could the whole Bitcoin economy claim the smaller POW chain to be Bitcoin.

The 2017 NY scalling agreement has much more support, but hard to say whether SegWit going to be activated before 1st Aug with it, given the code is not ready yet.

The non-UASF chain gets reorganized out of existence once the UASF chain takes the lead in POW. In the interim the bitcoin economy will presumably favor the segwit-enabled bitcoin as the "real" bitcoin and uphold its price while Jihan Wu's legacy bitcoin gets dumped into oblivion. At some point miners will decide not to declare bankruptcy mining worthless coins and, instead, mine the profitable chain with coins that can actually be sold. Once that starts (and I don't think it will take all that long when it comes to it), things will snowball quickly.

Some folks have pointed out that the miners could save the old chain by checkpointing. True, but that doesn't change the economic reality: Who is going to favor the unscaled old chain when we  - finally - have new improved bitcoin with Segwit and the Lightning Network come August 1?
legendary
Activity: 4424
Merit: 4794
Butthurt much Franky?  Grin .... The strategy to push for SegWit/ UASF / MASF might not be the best solution... but it is better than the "kick the

can down the road" strategy that was suggested by the BU team. We need to scale and this chest bumping delays are stopping progress. We

could have been at the Moon already. { or this is what they wanted... to delay progress and to divide the Bitcoin community }  

seriously?
core gave only pools the vote not a node+pool proper consensus = nodes blame pools = dividing the network (should blame devs that gave only pools vote)

core removed the fee structure and trned it into a fee war = users blaming each other = dividing the network (should blame devs that removed fee code)

core used cludgy code and manipulating maths of empty promises and half gestures = dividing the network (should blame devs that avoided 1merkle version)

core are avoiding hard(node+pool) consensus. and going for nasty soft bilateral split = dividing the network (should blame devs that avoided hard consensus)

i think core took the 'go to the moon' request too literally.. throw the network into an uninhabitable area where nothing can breath and grow aka the moon
legendary
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Merit: 1087
one way or another this will stop the endless arguing. the pressure will build over the next couple months. let's see who buckles.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
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But I suspect Jihan will keep delaying anything that makes the fees go low, so if you ever want to see bitcoin scale, UASF must be it.

I se that too we need 2nd layer solutions working and moveing off chain to keep decentralized factor of network.
With so many users nodes nubers are not rissing with high BTC usage so having higher blocks will fuck up future of BTC.
We need 2nd layer to make BTC more decenrtalizd and neautralized asicboost.
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
OP you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about and are just spewing BlockstreamCore propaganda.
sr. member
Activity: 276
Merit: 254
If UASF chain wont get longest POW, then I dont see how could the whole Bitcoin economy claim the smaller POW chain to be Bitcoin.

The 2017 NY scalling agreement has much more support, but hard to say whether SegWit going to be activated before 1st Aug with it, given the code is not ready yet.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1074
first: you cant resegit a segwit. so segwit doesnt "scale"

if core are now wanting to hard fork, atleast do it without the cludgy code.

billy and pereira4 repeat the same crap without understanding it. use the same graphics use the same rhetoric. im guessing its the same person double spamming posts for sig campaign income

the only reason they feel asicboost is bad is because it stops going soft.. going 2 merkle cludge was to avoid going hard. so if going hard you dont need two merkle cludge.. so if core now wanna go hard it makes it a non issue

meaning just make it a mandatory 1 merkle block of 4mb where native and segwit keys can all work in the same area where everyone benefits
include all the other features the community want but only able to happen in a hard consensus.. and just pull the trigger

pretending they can do a hard consensus in 3 months by naming it something else(UASF MASF) but then pretend another hard consensus taked 18 months is stupid misdirecting bullcrap of the core team.


just make a non cludgy upgrade, release it and make it mandatory. yep a 1 merkle block, proper scaling available version that includes all the keypair types everyone wants, native, segwit, schnorr.

stop with all of these half gesture cludgy crap
"51%-80% attack" just to force a cludgy temporary 2 merkle crap is not the best plan. and makes no logical sense

if the trigger is to be pulled. atleast do a f*cking proper job

Butthurt much Franky?  Grin .... The strategy to push for SegWit/ UASF / MASF might not be the best solution... but it is better than the "kick the

can down the road" strategy that was suggested by the BU team. We need to scale and this chest bumping delays are stopping progress. We

could have been at the Moon already. { or this is what they wanted... to delay progress and to divide the Bitcoin community }  
sr. member
Activity: 403
Merit: 250
Less is more
Jihan Wu doesn't want BU, he doesn't want Segwit, he doesn't want HF, he doesn't want bigblocks.

He is full of shit and a liar.

What he wants is to keep the current state of bitcoin.

He was supposed to be against the high fees. Anybody believes his lies look at this shit: https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/868896110760181760

All he cares about his cheated software ASICBOOST, his monopoly business and collecting overpriced fees from the users.

He is against bitcoin's development and he needs to be eliminated.

#UASF
Well, the Chinese are full of stupid who only care about the profit and money. They do not care about the future or what the people want
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