Topic: Why There Are So Many Premier League 2024/2025 Threads In Gambling Discussion? (Read 666 times)

Just noticed the activeness of the moderator in the gambling section, lots of topics has been locked and I was wondering what could have cause such a reaction then coming to see this topic, I just understand what actually happend.


I have an opposing opinion, we have paid threads that allows discussion for only members that paid and if there's anything I know about spammers, they won't want to pay to spam when they can spam for free and get paid.

Although the threads have similar discussion but conversation are of different qualities and while one is more interesting to discuss on, others are full of spams and low quality discussions. Just a suggestion, if all league threads gets a criteria that anybody interested in discussing on the thread has to pay to discuss, the spamming might reduced and more of quality conversations gets introduced.

Every managers with their own peculiar ways of evaluating quility of posts of signature campaign participants, and we have some managers that clearly state out that post's that are made 5 page's and above won't be counted, while some others take the time to read and grades posts regardless of what page the posts appears.


So the issues of posts quality avaluation is quite a complex cases since individuals have they own way of grading post's and marking it as low Quality or high quality posts, and also forum have a standard that it follows also and if the posts falls below the moderator standard such post get deleted automatically.

The epl season is a continuous event during weekends that’s the major reason discussions there keep increasing despite the excessive comments, it’s still okay we share our different ideas. What I observed recently mostly the premier league discussion is ideas always move round with opposition and match statistics including prediction, duplicate threads can be manage if necessary but what’s more important is if there’s any need following the rule set by Agbe whereas every new season deserves a new thread then it’s best old thread get lock, it will not look nice if creating fresh topics every season and still seeing the old topic.

Reporting such thread to moderators point to two things either the report get marked as good or probably got ignored, quite often gambling board is the most unmoderated board around the forum and that is why most reports from that board sometimes get untreated and reason why we have high rate of spam coming from the gambling board.

Although recently gambling board have received alot of attention from moderators with the rate of threads getting lucked on that board, it shows that moderators have taken special attention to gambling board.

I know in the near future we will not be seeing anymore of such repeated spamming thread's around that board since the mod would have taken care of that section of the forum and cleaning up whatever need to be clean up to make gambling discussions board more clean with less spams.

I liked this point you made in the highlighted text and well, it is common sense reasoning, unless it is addressed otherwise, I think I agree that new league threads be created at the start of every new season, so as to refute the MEGA THREAD claim and enable more participation from those who look for those kind of contents to express their wiz.

It looks like spamming though because of the similarities in thread creation and the way in which it makes the gambling section on this platform house excess repeated threads.

As you can see, moderators have recently been actively checking the relevance of topics in the gambling section, and if you open this section in search of new topics, a very sad picture emerges. Many topics are simply closed, but the discussion is conducted in old and rather long threads. I don’t know how difficult it is to do this technically, but is it possible to move all closed topics separately to the archive, leaving the archive in the gaming section as information that was discussed but has fulfilled its purpose?

Like I said before, the World Cup is every 4 years and the EPL spans across 10 months period every year. It seems to me that your concerns are really about getting your signature posts counted on these threads. Your idea of “keeping the thread fresh” sounds like you want a self moderated PL thread where the OP deletes all the posts once the thread gets to 20 pages so campaign managers can count them as eligible posts.

The gambling section is like a market place and you can't stop any activity that goes on over there, topics with similar meaning are being opened there and since is a gambling board things that happens there is like a rotational events. The season changes but some members prefers to only open their own thread (is like a thing of joy to have your own thread) instead of waiting for the OP to edit the current thread to look like a new one. You can't stop what goes on in the gambling board just like that unless the moderators or whoever is in charge does the needful, aside from that complaining won't help, let the Forum decide which thread to delete.

This is Bitcointalk forum, and not a signature campaign forum. So, things shouldn't be structured to fit individual campaign managers who don't count posts made in a mega thread. I am not a fan of locking a thread and opening a similar thread just because it's running into a mega thread.

If you lock older threads and open new ones, you didn't solve the problem of spam, instead you just started a new journey of spamming. The problem is therefore not in the threads but the individuals using them. Maybe it's a good time to lock the thread, this is not the first or second time discussing this.

I am staying away from threads like this but when you tag me I read what is says. Here are a couple of points and counter arguments from my side.

1. Couldn't care less that this thread is considered Mega thread. Actually I prefer it that way. It shows history of both bitcointalk and Premier League. Those that will write less here because some campaign manager doesn't like Mega threads can go and write posts in pointless topics that are opened every day. Not one of those people will ever enter my campaigns though. Since those threads have 0 value. if you guys want to spam, open new threads for every match day. That will give you fresh thread that counts for every manager and maybe this one will became what it used to be before some of us "oldies" shifted our discussions to paid pool topics to avoid spam.

2. Why is nobody actually searching for info before opening new threads? When I started this one, I was using the old one for 2 years and sent numerous PMs to the guy that opened it to check if he could update it. After he was MIA for a long time this one was made.

3. This is by the way at least 3rd topic on the same thing of multiple PL threads that has been created somewhat recently. And that is just where I have been tagged. Maybe there is more. Why? I am guessing so people can write all the same things once again. You are advocating about multiple threads and doing the same thing yourself.

4. World cup is every 4 years. Leagues have continuity.

5. Spam and low quality posts are a real problem and I considered shutting the thread before because of it but decided against it. I am against moderated threads and will never open such thread on bitcointalk. In these days free speech should be cherished and not moderated.
 

Yes but what I am also conveying here is that, Premier League is a Seasonal event and Trofo thread too has entered into Mega thread so he can lock it and create new one so that all discussions will be as fresh. I am not saying that they should locked it permanently but lock it and create new one so that for the first 20 pages will be accepted by those campaign managers who don't like to count from 20 pages upward. The rule applies in world cup should also done in Premier League. In 2022/2023 world cup threads have locked 🔒🔐. And if World Cup will start, it is new ones we are going to see to make the discussions fresh. Though there is one currently but it is to discuss the pre Match events.

I have taught of this before, because its not nice to have series of thread that's emphasizing on one thing, but the thing is that those threads established in different years but only thing that differs them from each other is when it was established.

I may say that Trofo thread should remain because he was the first to establish such thread, if they will be any needs to wipe other related threads, but I have not see any means of deleting them because some of them have stayed almost three years plus and some have stayed has stayed almost a year plus, if they will be amendments let it be incoming thread since all these has already gotten ground from when it was created.

If I am not mistakenly same issues has been addressed but even as that what is this forum all about?
We discuss and share common ideas together but at some point restricting people from doing what they want to do is not actually a good ways to handle the whole matter. Let say, in as much as the said user follows the rules of the forum and obeyed every single aspect of it then theres no need to do so neither would I encouraged people to increase the spam, what happened is that if you find any spam post or thread it's best advisable to report them to moderators to iron the whole matter than you creating another topic to still repeat what that has been before, although I know that you might even came across the post where it's already handled before.

Have you also think that if much rules are being set on the gambling section how would the forum remain active, or did you just want a thread like WO as other gambling discussion to put inside? Is that what you wanted. To me the efforts are being channel to gambling section after the ban of mixers and of course people won't stop creating topics and mega thread because they always have a reason to post and expressed themselves here. What matters is that let your post or topic be on set, easy and simple for discussion then we would have people to contribute over there, just as you already said that most manager do not accept post from mega thread after 15 pages then you don't need to worry about because after page 15 or so the thread might not be that active where people would keep spamming.

1. That’s the managers own way of making sure their campaign participants do not fish on mega threads. Some campaign managers do not count posts beyond the 10th page. It is assumed that answers would have already been posted in the first 10 pages. This does not apply to sports discussion threads which are updated daily on events. Sport fans are always discussing what's going on in the leagues during the course of the season. Like I said before it is impossible for such threads to not exist as mega threads.

2. Igebotz suggested some good solutions to this problem.

Then you will be surprised to see this thread below

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64386610

Some sig campaigns have rules that they do not pay for posts after a certain page, some others that do not care too much about quality but only about quantity do not have such restrictions. In other words, if there is a "motivation" for someone to write a meaningless post on 222 page of a topic, then he will do it.

Yesterday I opened a topic in the Gambling discussion that should be interesting for discussion, but considering that the topic is self-moderated and that I have set local rules, so far only 3 members have participated in it - obviously those who plagiarize, use AI or are ordinary sig spammers do not want to risk their post being deleted.

The same can be said about many open topics, which carry the same meaning. But they all exist, and if we talk about spammers, then they have created the perfect ground for rephrasing the same answer on all open topics.
I was surprised by mega threads in discussions of dozens of pages, and from post to post people write the same thing, but taking information from their local sports news sites, and to avoid plagiarism, they add a few words from themselves.
Who reads all this? Don't managers realize that there are thousands of sports "reports" that say the same thing in different words?

There ways some threads have been known to operate on the gambling board:

We have threads that are season specific,
We have a thread that is more like a general thread, runs through all the seasons,
We have threads that are meant for the polls where there are buy ins and rewards.
The twist here is, several groups can have there polls, sponsored and buy in fees for member players and they don’t really look like the same thread.

I know how it looks but, a couple of the threads you would find there are self moderated and users who post there always have there posts moderated which reduces spam to its minimum.

This has been like this for a while and the community has discussed it severally. None of those threads is less than 100 pages, so they are already established. What I will not like to see is another person creating new thread again. Let's make due with these ones available. That is the reason I made this appeal at the beginning of this season and locked the thread. Hey! It's a new season
So, no one has created an identical thread since I raised the topic.

I never noticed on this until Op made the mention on it, though by seeing it, what i sue to think of is about their season differences, but seeing that we have many threads on the same season is what should be more checked on, though there are lots of threads on the gambling section and the creation of more topics and posts are often observed as well, which may also make it hard to notice except one is checking with a closer look, just as Agbe did.

I understand - but so far I have never reported duplicate threads when both owners have different motives. I mean - one of them makes the thread self-moderated, the other one doesn't and it already has thousands of pages. But maybe - I'll also get some other threads to report if I think one of them is breaking the rules.

One thing that annoys me about reports on gambling discussions is that - many of them are not handled or even end badly. That's why I rarely report posts there anymore - but whenever I find a useless post, a report will definitely be sent.

This subboard is like the Supreme Court where the final verdict is taken/given and also used for future reference and preceded or persuasive in other case and that is why when we make comments on things like this we should be careful. As you can see from the above comments, Lucius asked hilariousandco a very good question and he carefully answered it and said let theymos answer question, because what we say here has a very big meaning so we don't just have to come here say things from ordinary mindset but critical reasoning with logic answers. If you are saying "Premier League is an important game or event there multiple threads are allowed to be created" so that everyone should discuss the one they like, no problem. Remember we will use it as preceded when another important events/games take place in the forum and multiple threads are created to discuss. And I raised many issues on those threads. 1. They are Mega threads so some managers not count on them. 2. Since they are multiple there. Are they not spamming?

These are critical issues to discuss and what hilariousandco said in his first clause was nice and what Lucius said about the second clause is good as well. Multiple (the same purpose) creation of threads were strongly against the rules, and that was why in 202/223 would cup, many threads were deleted and locked. But seen this is somehow confusing. I asked again, if this multiplication is not a spammer then, Who is a spammer?

The Premier League is one of the football leagues that is easy to discuss and is generally known by many people, farmers, sailors and even officials who follow the Premier League, so don't be surprised if you make a thread about this league in one hour it can cover two pages, From people talking about the corner of the goal to the corner of the field.

Talking about many Premier League threads in the betting section, that's their right as I said, you discuss clubs and game schedules, other threads discuss pitch angles, after all not everyone likes the threads you make, for some reason, so they want to also take part in it, I'm talking regardless of spam, it's a mod thing that judges.

Well the general forum rules apply to that board. If you think threads break the rules then you can report them for such.


I don't know. Theymos will have to clarify. It would be a bit of a loophole if allowed. I guess for serious threads we should allow people to moderate them as they like, but maybe not just generic sports discussion threads which are already spammed to death with poor quality posts.

Does this mean that each topic could have at least one more duplicate if it were self-moderated, or could there be more if each was self-moderated? Given that everyone will moderate in their own way, someone could say that this would justify a hundred identical topics started by a hundred different users.

I remember creating a discussion thread for World Cup cricket a year ago or so, which was deleted within a couple of hours. I did not know the reason, but later, I found that another user had created a similar thread to discuss World Cup cricket. So, possibly, that thread was deleted because of a duplicate discussion. But if you check all of the gambling boards, there are a couple of discussions that are duplicates, and Agbe just mentioned one of them. There were some threads in the Bitcoin discussion board about teaching Bitcoin to children, and I guess there were more than two threads ( I guess three). If you do not allow duplicate threads at all, it is okay. However, double standards for some specific threads are not appreciated.

The premier league season stretches from August to May. That’s about 9 months….there is no way a thread that is active for a 9 month period will not become a mega thread.

This topic was discussed a while back and Helena Yu gave the link to the post. The topic contains a lot of information about why these threads are still existing.

If you’re worried about getting mixed with spammers, you can post in the EPL thread that is self moderated. The OP is a football fan and does his best to clean the thread. The narrative that the Gambling board and Altcoin discussions is a spammer’s den is not going to change because there is some truth to it.

I believe this mistake was made once by the other persons who created a new premier league thread after trofo did. It is only the premier league thread that was created multiple times. Other threads like the LaLig, Champions League, Bundesliga, and AFCON only have one discussion thread. However, it is too late to delete those threads as some persons have found each of them worth discussing.

I think there should be a rule pinned to gambling discussion boards that say something like this. So the positive thing to hope for is that there are no more double thread about the same topic like the Premier League, La Liga or whatever. If such a rule is enforced - then every thread with the same topic can be reported for deletion instead of just being locked.

That's actually even more Premier League threads. You didn't mentioned prediction pool and fantasy threads. But it's different stuff.
I agree that there shouldn't be multiple topics about same league. One regular thread and one self-moderated. Though, there should be some exceptions like fantasy or prediction pool because it's different kind of topics.

I don't see issue about it, unless author of topic is inactive and he doesn't update topic anymore, don't change it's title to new season.

I already created a topic like this before. You can check Helena Yu's post where she mentioned the thread I created.

From what I understand, one of the reasons there are so many English Premier League threads is because of sponsorships by some online casinos. For example, there are separate discussion threads about contests or tournaments, like those by Sportsbet.io and another open thread about the Premier League by DGBet.fun. They should only discuss the pool tournament in that thread, but they can't hide that they also discussing what's happening in the EPL. The discussion about EPL should only be discussed in the original thread created by Trofo.

 Personally I don't see the need for other threads that relate to Premier league when the one created by Trofo is meeting the requirement. This has been talked about before and I feel it's a matter that will be looked into but while we wait, instead of bringing up threads that may end up becoming part of the list of "unattended topics", the best thing is to post in the one you feel is suitable and relates to the matter you're discussing.

There shouldn't really be more than one for the same thing, with the exception of if someone wanted to open up a self-modded one like Jolly good has done so that would be allowed.

I think the old thread opened by Trofo should stay and the rest that were open later on should be locked by mods.  What is the point of opening new threads if the old one is still active and is regularly updated by the OP who is also an active gambling board poster.

Users who open threads may have different motives or specific ideas of how it should look. Prediction thread, self-moderated etc... The result is that all such threads are active and a great place for gambling posts. In such cases, no matter what motives the users had for opening such discussions, it is very difficult to keep them in the right direction for years if there is the goal of fulfilling the signature quota.

This belongs to meta and not reputation board. But such thread has been created before as you can see on the link that Agbe posted. What I just think is that we should leave it the way it is. Moderators have seen such complaints before in the but they do nothing about it.

It was discussed before 4 Same Topic in Gambling Discussion section

Some users said this thread is created for sponsorship, that thread is created to prevent from spam, etc etc, but I don't care with that reasons, as long as the topic is same, the discussion is same, it should fall to "duplicate thread".

The forum has double standard now, in the past someone that copied one post can get permanent banned, now even they already make multiple mistakes, they didn't get banned.

I believe there's someone who have report the thread, but if the thread didn't get locked, it means the forum didn't consider them as "spam".

Anyone can create a new thread for each season, but you can't expect "them" i.e. @OP of that three thread to lock their old thread.

Is this not spamming? And if it is not then what is "REALLY" spamming in the forum? And all the threads have the same purpose so I don't see any other person creating another thread when their is an already existing thread on that course. This thread Premier League Prediction Thread 2024/2025 was created on the August 24, 2020, 09:04:19 PM to discuss Premier League by Trofo and edited at August 01, 2024, 04:39:36 AM by Trofo to continue the discussion.

And again, this ⚽ Premier League 2024/2025 Discussion Thread ⚽ by blue Snow in June 26, 2023, 12:43:19 AM and edited on July 16, 2024, 10:39:28 PM by blue Snow.

Again this ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2024/2025 was created for the same Premier League discussion on the September 12, 2020, 08:31:43 AM and edited on May 31, 2024, 02:02:03 PM by JollyGood.

Is it that one thread is not enough for the League discussion? And also those threads have been tagged as Mega threads and most campaign managers do not count posts from those threads. Though this not the born of contention here.

Since Premier League is seasonal, the threads should also be seasonal to follow up the league for effective discuss. And after the season, when new season is about to start, then the previous threads should be locked and new thread can be created to continue the discussion and not from the so called "MEGA THREAD".  And many users who made comments repeatedly on these threads are not spammers but others who make comments in them and in other threads in the gambling section are spammers. What is really happening in the forum?

I think one thread for Premier League is good enough for discussion. No harm and it is to know why? Or is there anything we have not yet known about the creation of threads in the gambling section? Because have not seen anyone says that those threads are related instead everyone follow up the threads. If other threads are one then likewise to the Premier League threads. One thread is good for the discussion. I really want to know something here.