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Quote from: blue Snow on December 20, 2024, 07:05:21 PM

Yup, Pep is at a loss on how to revive the player mentally now, he has tried various ways but still the city got loss, and and can't do anything else. he only hopes to win when meet Aston Villa tomorrow. This is important match that will determine his next step. Because they got warning from media and fans if he still loss again, that possible his position will be vulnerable to being fired. I think there will be big changes tomorrow, maybe he will dismantle the squad in order to win at Aston Willa home, or he has already found a way to increase the spirit to the squad to does not give up easily.

Manchester City started the game horrible. Aston Villa started to dominate from even the first seconds with many dangerous attacks. For now I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them getting ahead soon.

Is this surprising to me? Not at all of course. Guardiola can't find the root of the problem and the wound is getting bigger in time. I don't know how they can re-enter the league title competition in this way...

As a person who doesn't want to see another Manchester City championship this season, there is no problem for me. Grin

But it is really difficult to understand their very poor condition. The recent form is very bad.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 20, 2024, 11:17:58 PM

I did not bet on Arsenal's match in the EFL match yesterday against Crystal Palace but from my post it discusses Arsenal's match in the EPL later where they will return against Crystal Palace and this match will be held in a different place, if previously at Arsenal's home ground but next Arsenal will play away so maybe Arsenal can't do the same thing as before I mean score more than 2 goals but I think Arsenal is still quite favored to win I predict a score of 1:0 for Arsenal's victory.

Arsenal depends on how they start the match, if they do well, everything works out and they score goals then they can beat Cristal Palace, and if the hosts can withstand the initial pressure then they can try to get points in this match. Cristal Palace play quite well at home and rarely lose, maybe for Arsenal this win is more important because they are still trying to catch up with Liverpool, and Cristal Palace are far from the relegation zone, but this does not mean that they will not want to get points in the home match.

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on December 20, 2024, 04:31:11 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on December 19, 2024, 04:12:43 PM

Manchester United had a perfect performance against Manchester City with Guardiola in this team and they won the game with a 2-1 result while in a normal situation were not expecting to see Manchester United can even make problems for Manchester City. But the bad performance in Manchester City made this team lose games against weaker teams. Now that Manchester United has also got improved with Amorim this result for Manchester United was not bad at all and they had a great win.
However, other than this result, they lost their player, Mason Mount, in this match. Mason Mount was an expensive player, and the fans of Manchester United said their team waited 65 million euros.

It's hard to call Manchester United's game against City great, they were losing until the 88th minute, and only thanks to a penalty were they able to equalize, then they were lucky to score another goal at the end of the match. I would say that they were just lucky considering how weak their defense is, they were just lucky that City is in crisis now. Yesterday's match against Tottenham showed how weak their defense is, I admit that something similar should have happened to them in the match with City.

Manchester United beating a team like Manchester City is the biggest news. Considering the opponent, Manchester City is much stronger than Manchester United and naturally Manchester City was expected to win this match but the result turned out to be the opposite. Penalties are part of the game, you have to admire the Manchester United side that Manchester United did not miss the opportunity to take the penalty and use it to the team's need. We notice many changes between Manchester United's previous performance and Manchester United's current performance. Earlier when Manchester United came into the field, expectations were always very low but now they have performed well in several matches and our expectations for them have increased and I expect them to do better in the future.

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Quote from: mamesso on December 20, 2024, 11:37:35 PM

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It's hard to call Manchester United's game against City great, they were losing until the 88th minute, and only thanks to a penalty were they able to equalize, then they were lucky to score another goal at the end of the match. I would say that they were just lucky considering how weak their defense is, they were just lucky that City is in crisis now. Yesterday's match against Tottenham showed how weak their defense is, I admit that something similar should have happened to them in the match with City.

Well, that's where the greatness lies. Man United continued to struggle to catch up after conceding in the 36th minute, a goal scored by Bruno Fernandes from the penalty spot made them escape the pressure and became increasingly obsessed with finding a second goal. Their efforts paid off after Amad Diallo managed to change the score to 2-1.
I was very, very satisfied in the Derby because both teams tried to win, something like this is very different from the previous Derby.

That's right, no one is lucky without a good performance in a match and it must be admitted that Manchester United has now made progress after being coached by Amorim and there have even been significant changes even though Amorim has only been in charge of Manchester United for a few matches, it cannot be denied that the victory in the Manchester derby is real proof.

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on December 20, 2024, 04:31:11 AM

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It's hard to call Manchester United's game against City great, they were losing until the 88th minute, and only thanks to a penalty were they able to equalize, then they were lucky to score another goal at the end of the match. I would say that they were just lucky considering how weak their defense is, they were just lucky that City is in crisis now. Yesterday's match against Tottenham showed how weak their defense is, I admit that something similar should have happened to them in the match with City.

Well, that's where the greatness lies. Man United continued to struggle to catch up after conceding in the 36th minute, a goal scored by Bruno Fernandes from the penalty spot made them escape the pressure and became increasingly obsessed with finding a second goal. Their efforts paid off after Amad Diallo managed to change the score to 2-1.
I was very, very satisfied in the Derby because both teams tried to win, something like this is very different from the previous Derby.

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To be fair, considering City had just one win out of their last 10 games (not all premier league games of course) it's great that they are still fifth. I mean they are less than ten points away from the leader, just three games away, which means if they go on a huge winning streak then they could still win the league, it is possible.

Will it happen? I do not think so, they do not look that good at all and I believe we are not going to see them win anything, it feels like we are going to end up with City doing even worse, but that's the point of this, they did amazing at the start and even after such a bad streak, they are only fifth. If they did this badly since the start, they would be basically getting out of the relegation zone right now, so their start is the thing that kept them doing fine.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 20, 2024, 05:12:19 AM

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I was also disappointed to see Arsenal draw goalless in the match against Everton even though Arsenal had a fairly large advantage in the match and failed to maintain its consistency, of course he needs a win in the next match he also just beat Crystal Palace in the EFL match so Arsenal should be able to beat Crystal Palace again in the EPL match later, the chance to win is quite large, namely @ 1.62.

If you bet on Arsenal to win this game then congrats already.

First they got behind but the comeback was really nice. I was really glad to see Gabriel Jesus making a hat-trick too. He wasn't able play even properly for some time since he recovered from his injury. This might help him get more chances in next Premier League games at the same time. But if he doesn't impress people too much in the remaining part of the season then probably he wouldn't stay as the main CF.

I always say one thing about them. They need a reliable solid striker. They will be complete with the right signing for the position. It would make them take a big step towards finishing their longing for a league title.

I did not bet on Arsenal's match in the EFL match yesterday against Crystal Palace but from my post it discusses Arsenal's match in the EPL later where they will return against Crystal Palace and this match will be held in a different place, if previously at Arsenal's home ground but next Arsenal will play away so maybe Arsenal can't do the same thing as before I mean score more than 2 goals but I think Arsenal is still quite favored to win I predict a score of 1:0 for Arsenal's victory.

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on December 20, 2024, 04:31:11 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on December 19, 2024, 04:12:43 PM

Manchester United had a perfect performance against Manchester City with Guardiola in this team and they won the game with a 2-1 result while in a normal situation were not expecting to see Manchester United can even make problems for Manchester City. But the bad performance in Manchester City made this team lose games against weaker teams. Now that Manchester United has also got improved with Amorim this result for Manchester United was not bad at all and they had a great win.
However, other than this result, they lost their player, Mason Mount, in this match. Mason Mount was an expensive player, and the fans of Manchester United said their team waited 65 million euros.

It's hard to call Manchester United's game against City great, they were losing until the 88th minute, and only thanks to a penalty were they able to equalize, then they were lucky to score another goal at the end of the match. I would say that they were just lucky considering how weak their defense is, they were just lucky that City is in crisis now. Yesterday's match against Tottenham showed how weak their defense is, I admit that something similar should have happened to them in the match with City.

I was sure Man United would not dramatically comeback if they got not pen. They should be thankfully to how stupid Nunez was. He's the main caused of City's lost.

In a very intensive match like that, a small mistake can result in a lost, and this is what happened to the City. Their player made a mistake and did a massive blunder.

This blunder really helped United to boost their mentality and raise their hope to win the game. That's why they played intensively after Bruno scored from their pen. They pushed themselves to play better in the last minutes, then scored another goal. Their second goal also came from CIty's mistake as well by miss communicated.

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Quote from: Altryist on December 20, 2024, 08:43:09 AM

I think it's not about Mahrez and Gundogan, because then they became champions without these players, and now Gundogan is back, but nothing changes. You can also say that the reason is that they lost Rodri, maybe he is really so important for the City midfield that without him the whole game collapses, although I don't agree with this and I think the reason lies in the psychological mood, at some point the players lost faith in their invincibility, and Guardiola shows with his behavior that he doesn't know what to do to get out of this state.

Yup, Pep is at a loss on how to revive the player mentally now, he has tried various ways but still the city got loss, and and can't do anything else. he only hopes to win when meet Aston Villa tomorrow. This is important match that will determine his next step. Because they got warning from media and fans if he still loss again, that possible his position will be vulnerable to being fired. I think there will be big changes tomorrow, maybe he will dismantle the squad in order to win at Aston Willa home, or he has already found a way to increase the spirit to the squad to does not give up easily.

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Quote from: Stable090 on December 20, 2024, 04:59:43 PM

Manchester United were just lucky in their match against Manchester City, they didn’t play anything serious in the match, they were just lucky towards the ending of the match, and they were able to score two goals. We all know that Manchester city performance has dropped drastically which every team playing against them is taking advantage of that, which I will say Manchester United took advantage of that also. Manchester United match against Tottenham shows that United’s performance hasn’t improved yet, and they are not a club which we are suppose to be confident in.

For me, Man City's performance has not been consistent even though it has given a little improvement, but to fight a bigger team or have the same performance, MU has not been able to match the performance of the opposing team like when facing Man City or Spurs. So Amorim still has to do a lot to improve MU performance in the next season. It's just that currently the new coach will try to make MU finish in the best position in the EPL standings and after that Amorim has to do a lot to improve MU performance in the next season to compete strongly with the top teams in the EPL. So this season we as bettors must be careful in betting on every appearance of Man United which currently does not look stable.

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on December 20, 2024, 04:31:11 AM

It's hard to call Manchester United's game against City great, they were losing until the 88th minute, and only thanks to a penalty were they able to equalize, then they were lucky to score another goal at the end of the match. I would say that they were just lucky considering how weak their defense is, they were just lucky that City is in crisis now. Yesterday's match against Tottenham showed how weak their defense is, I admit that something similar should have happened to them in the match with City.

Manchester United were just lucky in their match against Manchester City, they didn’t play anything serious in the match, they were just lucky towards the ending of the match, and they were able to score two goals. We all know that Manchester city performance has dropped drastically which every team playing against them is taking advantage of that, which I will say Manchester United took advantage of that also. Manchester United match against Tottenham shows that United’s performance hasn’t improved yet, and they are not a club which we are suppose to be confident in.

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Quote from: Farma on December 20, 2024, 07:15:16 AM

Now Manchester City is in a difficult time and since Pep's arrival as Manchester City coach this is their longest bad period, no one expected before that this would happen but that's how a football team is, anything is possible and Pep should be able to make this a lesson for the future to prepare the team as a whole better so that there is no major impact on the team's performance if some of its main players are injured.

The competition for tickets to the Champion League is still quite long, Manchester City is now in 5th place in the standings and it is also possible to go down again but there is also a possibility for Manchester City to rise, so I think all possibilities are still there and personally I am also sure that Manchester City will be able to rise and break into the top 4 later in order to get tickets to the Champion League next season.

Yes true, they never had a bad period like this, for 27 years SAF managed United and never had a bad period like this, rarely any team have a bad period like this unless they are a bad team. No team that won the league four years in a row before, they were the first one , so they went from the greatest team ever with the best record, to a team that won 1 out of 10 games, that is not a normal thing.

We have to face the fact that this isn't about talent, they have the talent to win, they showed they have the talent to win, this is more about the fact that they just do not want to play anymore, it's a psychological issue, they are not just wanting the title anymore, they gave up. How can they fix that? I have absolutely no clue at all.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 19, 2024, 07:19:29 AM

Arsenal have been dropping down a little these days. I mean they drew with Fulham and Everton consecutively. Especially that one against Everton after all those goal attempts was a huge disappointment. Sad

I believe now it is time to start winning again. They are playing away against Crystal Palace in 2 days. I think this is a really good opportunity to go for.

Crystal Palace are literally one of the worst teams in home games this season. They won only once out of 8 games there. Sometimes they surprise us against top teams in the league though but I don't expect this to be one of those games.

This is yet another london derby game for Arsenal and they need to do all that they can to win that game. I hate the fact that they rely on Kai Harvertz as their central forward which will never help them in the long run. He might be a good player but will never be good as a point man in attack for them. They have to show working, I recently saw Mikel Arteta defending the community shield he won for Arsenal, ain't that some shameful thing? They have to take 3 points against Palace.

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Quote from: Lidger on December 20, 2024, 06:53:10 AM

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If we look at the condition of manchester city now, is not that different with chelsea last season actually, but at that time the chelsea squad began to find its best performance when entering mid-season, so I think, it will also be no different from Manchester City, which currently needs the right momentum to rise, although we don't know when they will rise Grin

, but honestly, for me personally betting for Manchester City is actually still a better choice, because after all with the team and also the experience possessed by Guardiola allows them to return to a positive path, I don't see Manchester City current slump as a permanent slump, especially if Guardiola can get the right player to replace Rodri then we must again prepare to see their dominance in the league.

I never imagined at the start of the season that we would see Manchester City in the fifth position of the points table this season. Maybe their position is still at the fifth position in the points table but in the upcoming matches their position in the points table may change more because they are not performing very well. If they draw or lose the upcoming matches, they will move further down the points table. I'm just thinking about what it would look like if Manchester City weren't in the Champions League next season. In order to qualify for the Champions League next season, they have to do well in the Premier League this season, but their performance does not reflect that. But as a football fan I would like Manchester City to be in the Champions League competition.

Manchester city has dominated the league for a long time so their current downfall is a joy for fans of rival teams, but I think their potential to rise and survive in the UCL zone next season is still very wide open considering the long league journey, besides that which the financial support that manchester city currently has allows them to strengthen their team in the transfer market later, so with Guardiola experience and abilities of course he will be able to return Manchester City to a positive path.

Quote from: KingsDen on December 20, 2024, 08:37:25 AM

As all these are happening, I couldn't conclude more than that football is not fair to some people. Football was not fair to Jürgen Klopp, if not, he would have won a way more EPL titles. When Klopp was in charge of Liverpool, Guardiola didn't fall in this type of mess. It was worse that Klopp ended a season with 97 points and yet couldn't win the league.

Manchester city is off the radar. I actually didn't expect them to remain at the top for ever. I only suspected that things won't end well when they sold Mahrez and Gundegon same season and finally returned Gundegon. Manchester city cannot return to win this season's EPL.

When you are in a tight league then nothing is unfair, even we can see how Juventus and Munich who once dominated the league for more than 10 seasons also experienced a bad phase with the fracture of their dominance due to the improvement of other teams, as what happened to Guardiola squad this season, so impossible their are can forever as league rulers because football is full of changes and surprises so far.

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Quote from: Farma on December 20, 2024, 07:15:16 AM

Now Manchester City is in a difficult time and since Pep's arrival as Manchester City coach this is their longest bad period, no one expected before that this would happen but that's how a football team is, anything is possible and Pep should be able to make this a lesson for the future to prepare the team as a whole better so that there is no major impact on the team's performance if some of its main players are injured.

The competition for tickets to the Champion League is still quite long, Manchester City is now in 5th place in the standings and it is also possible to go down again but there is also a possibility for Manchester City to rise, so I think all possibilities are still there and personally I am also sure that Manchester City will be able to rise and break into the top 4 later in order to get tickets to the Champion League next season.

This isn't just in Manchester City, it's the lowest he has ever experienced since he came to Barcelona but does it make sense that he is the only person winning the Premier League, it will make the leagues looks like other farmers leagues, though it's not an excuse but other teams needed to step up their games and that's what they have done and it's working for them, when you use similar style of attack and defense for long, opponents will get tired of it.

They aren't far from going up on the table tree in Premeir League, no matter how tough this is for them, they can finish among the top 4 but champions league isn't assured unless they win their next 2 games or win one draw 1 but just to be on a safer side, better they win the two which is a very big challenge. The inconsistency is killing the team, even Guardiola is tired of trying and shouting, it's like watching over what you have build in 8 years just collapse right in your front and you can't do anything about it.

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Quote from: KingsDen on December 20, 2024, 08:37:25 AM

As all these are happening, I couldn't conclude more than that football is not fair to some people. Football was not fair to Jürgen Klopp, if not, he would have won a way more EPL titles. When Klopp was in charge of Liverpool, Guardiola didn't fall in this type of mess. It was worse that Klopp ended a season with 97 points and yet couldn't win the league.

Manchester city is off the radar. I actually didn't expect them to remain at the top for ever. I only suspected that things won't end well when they sold Mahrez and Gundegon same season and finally returned Gundegon. Manchester city cannot return to win this season's EPL.

I think it's not about Mahrez and Gundogan, because then they became champions without these players, and now Gundogan is back, but nothing changes. You can also say that the reason is that they lost Rodri, maybe he is really so important for the City midfield that without him the whole game collapses, although I don't agree with this and I think the reason lies in the psychological mood, at some point the players lost faith in their invincibility, and Guardiola shows with his behavior that he doesn't know what to do to get out of this state.

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Quote from: Palakka on December 19, 2024, 12:03:05 PM

If we look at the condition of manchester city now, is not that different with chelsea last season actually, but at that time the chelsea squad began to find its best performance when entering mid-season, so I think, it will also be no different from Manchester City, which currently needs the right momentum to rise, although we don't know when they will rise Grin

, but honestly, for me personally betting for Manchester City is actually still a better choice, because after all with the team and also the experience possessed by Guardiola allows them to return to a positive path, I don't see Manchester City current slump as a permanent slump, especially if Guardiola can get the right player to replace Rodri then we must again prepare to see their dominance in the league.

I never imagined at the start of the season that we would see Manchester City in the fifth position of the points table this season. Maybe their position is still at the fifth position in the points table but in the upcoming matches their position in the points table may change more because they are not performing very well. If they draw or lose the upcoming matches, they will move further down the points table. I'm just thinking about what it would look like if Manchester City weren't in the Champions League next season. In order to qualify for the Champions League next season, they have to do well in the Premier League this season, but their performance does not reflect that. But as a football fan I would like Manchester City to be in the Champions League competition.

As all these are happening, I couldn't conclude more than that football is not fair to some people. Football was not fair to Jürgen Klopp, if not, he would have won a way more EPL titles. When Klopp was in charge of Liverpool, Guardiola didn't fall in this type of mess. It was worse that Klopp ended a season with 97 points and yet couldn't win the league.

Manchester city is off the radar. I actually didn't expect them to remain at the top for ever. I only suspected that things won't end well when they sold Mahrez and Gundegon same season and finally returned Gundegon. Manchester city cannot return to win this season's EPL.

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Quote from: Lidger on December 20, 2024, 06:53:10 AM

I never imagined at the start of the season that we would see Manchester City in the fifth position of the points table this season. Maybe their position is still at the fifth position in the points table but in the upcoming matches their position in the points table may change more because they are not performing very well. If they draw or lose the upcoming matches, they will move further down the points table. I'm just thinking about what it would look like if Manchester City weren't in the Champions League next season. In order to qualify for the Champions League next season, they have to do well in the Premier League this season, but their performance does not reflect that. But as a football fan I would like Manchester City to be in the Champions League competition.

Now Manchester City is in a difficult time and since Pep's arrival as Manchester City coach this is their longest bad period, no one expected before that this would happen but that's how a football team is, anything is possible and Pep should be able to make this a lesson for the future to prepare the team as a whole better so that there is no major impact on the team's performance if some of its main players are injured.

The competition for tickets to the Champion League is still quite long, Manchester City is now in 5th place in the standings and it is also possible to go down again but there is also a possibility for Manchester City to rise, so I think all possibilities are still there and personally I am also sure that Manchester City will be able to rise and break into the top 4 later in order to get tickets to the Champion League next season.

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Quote from: Palakka on December 19, 2024, 12:03:05 PM

If we look at the condition of manchester city now, is not that different with chelsea last season actually, but at that time the chelsea squad began to find its best performance when entering mid-season, so I think, it will also be no different from Manchester City, which currently needs the right momentum to rise, although we don't know when they will rise Grin

, but honestly, for me personally betting for Manchester City is actually still a better choice, because after all with the team and also the experience possessed by Guardiola allows them to return to a positive path, I don't see Manchester City current slump as a permanent slump, especially if Guardiola can get the right player to replace Rodri then we must again prepare to see their dominance in the league.

I never imagined at the start of the season that we would see Manchester City in the fifth position of the points table this season. Maybe their position is still at the fifth position in the points table but in the upcoming matches their position in the points table may change more because they are not performing very well. If they draw or lose the upcoming matches, they will move further down the points table. I'm just thinking about what it would look like if Manchester City weren't in the Champions League next season. In order to qualify for the Champions League next season, they have to do well in the Premier League this season, but their performance does not reflect that. But as a football fan I would like Manchester City to be in the Champions League competition.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 19, 2024, 11:40:04 PM

I was also disappointed to see Arsenal draw goalless in the match against Everton even though Arsenal had a fairly large advantage in the match and failed to maintain its consistency, of course he needs a win in the next match he also just beat Crystal Palace in the EFL match so Arsenal should be able to beat Crystal Palace again in the EPL match later, the chance to win is quite large, namely @ 1.62.

If you bet on Arsenal to win this game then congrats already.

First they got behind but the comeback was really nice. I was really glad to see Gabriel Jesus making a hat-trick too. He wasn't able play even properly for some time since he recovered from his injury. This might help him get more chances in next Premier League games at the same time. But if he doesn't impress people too much in the remaining part of the season then probably he wouldn't stay as the main CF.

I always say one thing about them. They need a reliable solid striker. They will be complete with the right signing for the position. It would make them take a big step towards finishing their longing for a league title.

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