Topic: Why they need a license if bitcon is not money? - page 16. (Read 4439 times)

I share the same opinion.

Freebitco.in is a casino which never offered any USDT or USD deposit/withdrawal options and they also recently put KYC in their ToS. (even though they say they don't use it, it is still in their ToS now. It wasn't there not long ago)

The way I see it, these business owners don't want to move from their comfort zones. They are making money why fight the government and make everything complicated?

It is the players should demand no-KYC services. If they force you to hand over your private information, like you said, just tell them to fuck off.

We have have seen allot of them that took away players money unauthorized and even with their licence, they are not being caught or punished in any ways,take 1xbit fpr example, despite being a known scam casino, they still run around with load ls of scam accusations and yet are still operating with that licenced that have dented amd nothing have been done about it, so having a license doesn't change the fact about them being a scam.

Cryptocurrency landscape give alot of hands to teams who thought that, they can operates on the gullibility of the user since most times those casino doesn't have a physical office that law enforcement agency could work on so they have some air of freedom to scam players and still walk around for a while.

I would deposit if their games are provably fair and i can verify each bet, that's the right way for a casino to earn the trust of the customers.


I agree with you, trust can be ruined fast, but i prefer to get scammed from a casino without KYC and License than getting scammed from a casino who have all my personal data and sensitive information. I mean, in both scenarios we lose the money, but the fact that one of them can sell our personal data is cruel.

Come to think of it, trust is also very dangerous, to fool a lot of people, you need to build trust and make them believe your company, serve every customers right and let everything look normal for a long period of time, until it's time to pull the plug, how do you like this OP? And if any online casino manage to pull this on how will some justice will be served if they are not licensed?

I am right in between centralized and decentralized way of gambling, I can't choose a side as my final answer because they both have advantages and disadvantages, I don't want to trust just like that without anything backing it up, just in case is the biggest strategy I believe in, and trust alone can't do this for me.

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If trust can be built it can also be ruined, I know the authorities are making money from casinos getting licensed but it's far way better than letting unlicensed casinos to run, it's even more dangerous, people only care about themselves I get it, but the damages can be big and there won't be anything to hunt them down with.

I choose to go with KYC requirement and a licensed casino, the other way around is not safer because we can never see the inside of a human mind, those who give you services of no KYC and unregulated casinos can have a bad plan behind the scene, this is not non-custodial vs custodial.

You have good points my friend, and of course, trust is important in business, just like the casinos that you can trace their root and know that they are duly registered, and perhaps being regulated. At least, you will have some kind of level of belief that they know what they are doing and their activities are being monitored by government agents, that's even if they are strongly regulated. By that, many people will have the feeling that they are in the right place where they can deposit their money and withdraw securely without fear, and not also work for money launderers as we see it growing daily. However, as we think towards that angle, we have to believe that some people also do not care about this trust or regulation of a thing.

All they need is their privacy and so they would rather risk the companies that are not asking anything from them and probably even know that they are not registered or regulated under any entity. As dangerous as that might sound, they do it and some companies are serving better than those who even asked for the KYC and are regulated. So, it depends on the integrity of the owners of the casinos at times and the risk the gamblers are willing to take with them. They could disappear with your money like nothing happened and no one will ask them. Is it not the person you see you can be asking questions? So let's act wisely.

Nonetheless, if a casino is not under any country and regulator, they can do and undo, and since cryptocurrency is even abating that, it is easier for them. But if they are registered and perhaps are regulated, there is nothing they can do but to be thorough in their operation as required by the extant law of where they operate or where they secure their license from.

It's a license...a license to scam legally

A platform with no license can not ask for KYC and profit this way. A platform without a license also can not use a false director as the leader of the platform to protect the identity of the real operator, and run a gambling platform with no liability. That's why elites in Curacao (usually bankers) provide these licenses for huge fees, because it's beneficial and a privilege for the license holder to own it...it isn't a legal requirement for crypto-only casinos.

Non-licensed casinos have a much bigger burden on their hands to maintain their reputation, stay compliant enough and remain transparent enough to be left alone. I think this is a healthier burden than the unlimited reign a license holder has over its customers and in the industry.

There are quite a lot of reasons why casinos need a license, perhaps the first is to gain the trust of their users, so this license is like an attraction for trust, while some of the casinos you mentioned don't need a license like frebitcoin, I think they have been operating for quite a long time and user trust is built in so why do they do it, I want to ask you, if there was a new casino site that didn't have a license would you dare to make a deposit?

Yes licence proved a casilo site as a real. many casino site are coming regularly on the casino market so which site you can trust? because every new site offer high bonus and many facilities so if that new casino is take a licence for there site and show the proof then we can interested and enjoy the bonus without any worrying and we can use that site confidencely. so licence is needed for a casino site to proved them as a trusted site and proved they are coming here for real business

This really depends on the law of the countries if they accept BTC or not in the form of gambling.

In the Philippines, gambling is heavily regulated by the Government to the point that they only accept establishments that have the necessary gambling license to operate. Since revenue generated in gambling in this country is responsible for yielding the highest budget, gambling is somehow allowable if the company follows the certain mandates set by the law.

Unfortunately, our local exchange (coins.ph) has strict regulations when it comes to gambling. They do not allow any BTCs to be received on their exchange if the proceeds came from an online gambling website which makes cryptocurrency a grey area to begin with.

With the introduction of KYC, most gambling companies have required its users to submit various documents in order to comply with the strict mandates given by the laws and regulations of each country. But the most simple answer to this question falls on the value of BTC since it can easily be converted to your local currency in an exchange.

We know that government does really love on involving on things and they dont really like on missing something specially on taxes or they dont really like on getting blinded. This is why they would really be focusing
on trying out on regulating on everything on their way but its true that once this crypto market did exist then it did really give out that kind of gateway on which gamblers could really be able to play up gambling
without any issues or problems on getting that detected or get caught specially if gambling is really that been prohibited or banned then you could still that able to play because of crypto
on which this is the main reason on why it did really become that popular because of this feature.

Licenses are really that indeed a formality but in general sense it doesnt really  give out that assurance that you are really that dealing with the legit platform or service.
Plus you are really that being monitored if ever big funds would flow in.

They needed to have the two and this must not be something that one will be made more of being priority over the other, we the trust is there, the license will endorse for the trust to be real and genuine, also, we can get more about them on their online reviews also to add to other informations we have received, trust and license is what will make the complement if it all together and we must not forget the risk also involved.

The thought behind this thread and the message pf Bitcoin not being money is so mischievous and out of content because Bitcoin is money and exchange is the cryptocurrency banks, so for that, I believe anyone saying otherwise may be out of context and not having the basic knowledge and understanding of what a currency is and how it functions.
So many people believe that a currency is only what is used for the exchange of goods and services without noting other facts about exchange and currencies and how the dynamism works, so is because of the valuable nature of Bitcoin that made it one of the number one choice of casinos as payment methods.

Not just crypto casinos. Crypto is completely dependent on trust. We don't know who is the creator of Bitcoin and who created it but we believe in Bitcoin very much and we feel free to invest millions of dollars in it. So in this case it can be said that crypto survives entirely on trust.This is because we use crypto casinos for fun and to make deposits and withdrawals very quickly, and another reason is that even if gambling is illegal in our country, we can gamble with confidence because the government cannot trace anyone's identity through crypto payments. Who is gambling despite not having legalized gambling in his country?  So we have to use crypto casino sites with trust. licence is not a big deal it is just a formalities

Both are true and there are a lot of new sets of gamblers and that's their preference on how they're going to trust a casino. Whether it's new or not, what's important to them is that they have a license and that's hard to remove from those gamblers. Whilst the older gamblers, we are basing our confidence on the trust that we've got based on the experience that we've got from trying each of them.

This is true as well.
That doesn't give assurance that they're legitimate but it's like a secondary factor for someone who's looking for a legitimate casino. Not all that have a curacao license are to be trusted and not all that don't have license are untrusted.

And I agree as you've said, many of the reputable ones don't have it. But it's just like another set of factor for many gamblers that a casino should have a license. In the end, everyone can check what they want to check as per casinos whether they have a license or not. Your trust what matters to all of them.

I also think so , Indeed that back in the days they are trying to push bitcoin away but now that they see the potential of having milking cow or bread and butter they are trying to ack about their legalities to make the market looks like illegal while they looks like a generous agencies trying to help circulation act legal. and also you are correct , World evolves and the crypto world will grow no matter what they acting and tries to do.

I've worked with enough establishments long enough to know that regulation is a sham in most cases, and even in a country where they are strict with other things, gambling and trading regulations are not so strong. I've heard of companies cheating customers in these countries and nothing was done about it by the government even if they report them. To even report requires money, and it takes time before they will start an investigation in rare cases. As for Curacao, many reasons are making casinos move there and that has never been for the strict regulation but a light one. Most of these casinos are offshore which even makes it worse for the regulator to oversee their activities with the little money they are paying them, that's if they will make an effort at all.

However, regulation or not, some casinos are doing so well, and this is due to personal reputation and integrity. They will pay you your money if you are a fair player and will abide by their core terms and conditions. This is happening even without regulations, so it's all about the casino itself, the brains behind it and the conscience which will determine what will mainly be meted to their customers. Many exist that are well-regulated and still cheat their customers, so the most important thing is for us to find the right casinos before putting our money into their hands.

Agreed. I found this particular thread by @Mahdirakib which states which sites have Caribbean licenses and which sites don't along with whether they have any particular KYC requirements or not.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/information-of-crypto-casinos-license-and-kyc-requirements-5381143

Seems like most of them have those licenses while almost every one of them have certain KYC requirements.

You have a good point here, crypto casinos are about trust. And the gambling industry nowadays thinks the users will trust on them because they have a valid lisence. But a curacao lisence doesn't mean the casino can't be an exit scam or they cant close when they want without anouce it to the users.

Casinos need to build trust more than having a lisense, and for that they need time and be nice with the customers.

Personally, I never care whether a crypto gambling site has a license from some random place or not since what matters more to me is the site's reputation within this forum and elsewhere along with crypto deposit + withdrawal fees.

I truly hate how most of the crypto gambling world has essentially become centralised these days.

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