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Quote from: fxsurfer on September 12, 2018, 09:10:02 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 12, 2018, 08:50:34 AM

Why would a rational person pay BTC0.00016 for 1 USD if he can payment protocol and money function at its starting price of 1 satoshi?

Seriously, you need to do a little better in explaining what exactly do you mean. Rational person would buy bitcoin either: as a speculative investment, as a hedge to current monetary system, or for its utility (ie. to easily transfer money).

In comparison to a potato, Bitcoin is not even a physical tangible good that can be used for satisfying human wants or needs, and its only utility is that it functions as payment protocol and money.

Guess what? A huge percentage of your beloved fiat money in banks are actually digital. Not everything is in paper money. And also, guess what? Some countries are already cashless, meaning that all(95%+) of their day to day transactions are actually digital. Does the intangible characteristic of their funds make it worthless? I don't think so.

And also, guess what!? Your beloved fiat money isn't backed by anything.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 12, 2018, 09:38:04 AM

Quote from: fxsurfer on September 12, 2018, 09:10:02 AM

...Would you pay 10,000 dollars for a potato or give up your car just to get a potato? Of course not. This is because the utility of a potato or the want-satisfying power of a potato is much smaller than that of a car or of 10,000 dollars worth of goods or services.
In comparison to a potato, Bitcoin is not even a physical tangible good that can be used for satisfying human wants or needs, and its only utility is that it functions as payment protocol and money. So why would you pay enormous amounts of money just to have these functions if they are equally available whether the price of Bitcoin is 0.001 $ or 6, 000 $, and more importantly if these functions can be realized with various alternative cryptos or fiat money?

Oh, you're that guy from potato thread repeating the same 'arguments' all over again.

I'll happily pay $0.001 for BTC1 but nobody is selling that low... What now?

If the market value of potato exceeded the value of my car - then yes, I'll be happy to make such trade.

Think of BTC as of expensive wine (ie $50,000/bottle), there's no way such wine is x2,000 tastier or stronger than $25/bottle wine (many would prefer taste of the cheaper one). The price is combination of scarcity/utility/future expectation/hype etc and is dictated only by supply and demand.

Let's put it this way. Nine years ago you had to pay 1,000 BTC in order to get dollar. Now you have to pay 0.00016 BTC. In the same time period, both bitcoin and dollar had exactly the same utility - they functioned as a means of exchange. Now, why would a rational person spend six million times more dollars on something that has exactly the same utility as it had before?

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on September 12, 2018, 09:21:47 AM

Quote from: fxsurfer on September 12, 2018, 09:10:02 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 12, 2018, 08:50:34 AM

Why would a rational person pay BTC0.00016 for 1 USD if he can payment protocol and money function at its starting price of 1 satoshi?

Seriously, you need to do a little better in explaining what exactly do you mean. Rational person would buy bitcoin either: as a speculative investment, as a hedge to current monetary system, or for its utility (ie. to easily transfer money).

Would you pay 10,000 dollars for a potato or give up your car just to get a potato? Of course not. This is because the utility of a potato or the want-satisfying power of a potato is much smaller than that of a car or of 10,000 dollars worth of goods or services.
In comparison to a potato, Bitcoin is not even a physical tangible good that can be used for satisfying human wants or needs, and its only utility is that it functions as payment protocol and money. So why would you pay enormous amounts of money just to have these functions if they are equally available whether the price of Bitcoin is 0.001 $ or 6, 000 $, and more importantly if these functions can be realized with various alternative cryptos or fiat money?

Why would you not pay $6,000 or $1,000,000 or any other price? It's not like you are going to lose those money for those functions, you can use Bitcoin to buy goods/services for the equivalent of its fiat value.
Why should you use Bitcoin and not fiat/altcoins? Because with Bitcoin no one will ever freeze your account, and with certain measures you can even achieve a decent level of privacy. As for altcoins, Bitcoin is simply way more secure and stable than them.

People don't do this because they are not incentivized to purchase anything. Who spends what they think and hope will be worth more tomorrow than today? The other thing is... Who wants to worry about whether your purchasing power will suddenly fall by 50 percent in a month. This is the issue of Cryptocurrencies and until it is fixed there is not much worth to it. Unlike say Gold that has demand for any number of things and is relatively stable in relation to say bread... Bitcoin's main purpose, despite what those SOV fools say, is to act as a medium of exchange. Since it does not do this very well due to volatility and other technical reasons it is still overpriced in my mind. I think the market will bleed for many more months to come and it could get really ugly. Sure the fanatics will stay around but everyone else will flee. The fanatics will say this is a good thing and it is trimming the fat but this is a resounding failure in thinking. No mass adoption occurs without the masses.

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I get what you mean, but this is also the reason why bitcoin is still not very common in most of the area because of it's reputation usually people will related with illegal stuff. However, for those people who have a better understands on bitcoin or other altcoin such as ethereum, is willing to pay $6000 to invest in such coins. They see the potential of the bitcoin based on it's top tier protocol, advance and secure measures.

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Maybe I'm one of those irrational because I pay for $6000 for 1BTC. though I only bought partial of a coin, still the price of 1 is $6k. Well maybe because we hope the price of BTC is going to rise even more soon. Irrational people probably are probably just wanting to profit but I think its not just me who does that there are even more of them buying hundreds of it. BTC is more than just an investment to them.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 12, 2018, 09:03:26 AM

At this point in time, anyone buying bitcoin isn't there for the payment protocol but rather the potential profits they could be making if ever they bought it at the right time. Bitcoin's protocol for payments is still top-notch even with the advent of newer, better cryptocurrencies, and perhaps people are not that naive to buy a whole bitcoin if they don't know what to do with it. I know some people who are buying a whole bitcoin for online payments, and makes sure that it fulfills that duty they intended it to be.

The number of people doing this are few are far between. 99% of transactions are speculatory in nature and this is a huge problem. Really I point to the block reward algorithm as being the main problem. It exacerbates demand shifts by also continually limiting supply more and more as time goes on. This leads to volatility and the boom and bust cycles we experience every few years. The real issues is that with every boom and bust cycle you alienate more and more people because most got in at the height of euphoria. Most of these people will not come back or trust Bitcoin in the future. That means that with each bubble there is less and less new money available.

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Quote from: fxsurfer on September 12, 2018, 09:10:02 AM

...Would you pay 10,000 dollars for a potato or give up your car just to get a potato? Of course not. This is because the utility of a potato or the want-satisfying power of a potato is much smaller than that of a car or of 10,000 dollars worth of goods or services.
In comparison to a potato, Bitcoin is not even a physical tangible good that can be used for satisfying human wants or needs, and its only utility is that it functions as payment protocol and money. So why would you pay enormous amounts of money just to have these functions if they are equally available whether the price of Bitcoin is 0.001 $ or 6, 000 $, and more importantly if these functions can be realized with various alternative cryptos or fiat money?

Oh, you're that guy from potato thread repeating the same 'arguments' all over again.

I'll happily pay $0.001 for BTC1 but nobody is selling that low... What now?

If the market value of potato exceeded the value of my car - then yes, I'll be happy to make such trade.

Think of BTC as of expensive wine (ie $50,000/bottle), there's no way such wine is x2,000 tastier or stronger than $25/bottle wine (many would prefer taste of the cheaper one). The price is combination of scarcity/utility/future expectation/hype etc and is dictated only by supply and demand.

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The owner of bitconnect.com got arrested in India for $13 billion ponzi scheme using Bitcoins.

$50 billion could be illegal money from criminals and frauds that has been put into Bitcoins.

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Quote from: fxsurfer on September 12, 2018, 09:10:02 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on September 12, 2018, 08:50:34 AM

Why would a rational person pay BTC0.00016 for 1 USD if he can payment protocol and money function at its starting price of 1 satoshi?

Seriously, you need to do a little better in explaining what exactly do you mean. Rational person would buy bitcoin either: as a speculative investment, as a hedge to current monetary system, or for its utility (ie. to easily transfer money).

Would you pay 10,000 dollars for a potato or give up your car just to get a potato? Of course not. This is because the utility of a potato or the want-satisfying power of a potato is much smaller than that of a car or of 10,000 dollars worth of goods or services.
In comparison to a potato, Bitcoin is not even a physical tangible good that can be used for satisfying human wants or needs, and its only utility is that it functions as payment protocol and money. So why would you pay enormous amounts of money just to have these functions if they are equally available whether the price of Bitcoin is 0.001 $ or 6, 000 $, and more importantly if these functions can be realized with various alternative cryptos or fiat money?

Why would you not pay $6,000 or $1,000,000 or any other price? It's not like you are going to lose those money for those functions, you can use Bitcoin to buy goods/services for the equivalent of its fiat value.
Why should you use Bitcoin and not fiat/altcoins? Because with Bitcoin no one will ever freeze your account, and with certain measures you can even achieve a decent level of privacy. As for altcoins, Bitcoin is simply way more secure and stable than them.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 12, 2018, 08:50:34 AM

Why would a rational person pay BTC0.00016 for 1 USD if he can payment protocol and money function at its starting price of 1 satoshi?

Seriously, you need to do a little better in explaining what exactly do you mean. Rational person would buy bitcoin either: as a speculative investment, as a hedge to current monetary system, or for its utility (ie. to easily transfer money).

Would you pay 10,000 dollars for a potato or give up your car just to get a potato? Of course not. This is because the utility of a potato or the want-satisfying power of a potato is much smaller than that of a car or of 10,000 dollars worth of goods or services.
In comparison to a potato, Bitcoin is not even a physical tangible good that can be used for satisfying human wants or needs, and its only utility is that it functions as payment protocol and money. So why would you pay enormous amounts of money just to have these functions if they are equally available whether the price of Bitcoin is 0.001 $ or 6, 000 $, and more importantly if these functions can be realized with various alternative cryptos or fiat money?

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Quote from: fxsurfer on September 12, 2018, 08:28:28 AM

... payment protocol and money function at its starting price of 0.001 $?

Um... What? Huh

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At this point in time, anyone buying bitcoin isn't there for the payment protocol but rather the potential profits they could be making if ever they bought it at the right time. Bitcoin's protocol for payments is still top-notch even with the advent of newer, better cryptocurrencies, and perhaps people are not that naive to buy a whole bitcoin if they don't know what to do with it. I know some people who are buying a whole bitcoin for online payments, and makes sure that it fulfills that duty they intended it to be.

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Why would a rational person pay BTC0.00016 for 1 USD if he can payment protocol and money function at its starting price of 1 satoshi?

Seriously, you need to do a little better in explaining what exactly do you mean. Rational person would buy bitcoin either: as a speculative investment, as a hedge to current monetary system, or for its utility (ie. to easily transfer money).

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... payment protocol and money function at its starting price of 0.001 $?

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