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legendary
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Satoshi is rolling in his grave. #bitcoin
March 09, 2015, 03:44:20 AM
#61
Is it that hard to believe that there are people today that dont care about fiat money they have? Especially given the fact that he went through all the trouble of making an alternative
financial system because he didnt believe in fiat in the first place; so why would he give up on his own project by hedging against it?
I believe he has enough wealth even without selling his bitcoins; the fact that he obviously has a good understanding in finances, because when u look at it, bitcoin was created in a very specific way,
and it couldnt have come from someone without a good background.
btw if im not mistaken, there are some flagged adresses that are believed to be satoshi's, and their funds are not moving at all, so theres that also.

cheers
legendary
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March 09, 2015, 03:28:17 AM
#60
We never know if he is or isn't. He can easily have a lot of other bitcoin addresses or mined ones, which could have already been sold, giving him enough amount for a lifetime. If he needs the other coins, he might sell them in future. Its hard to say that he didn't already do that.
hero member
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March 09, 2015, 02:29:33 AM
#59
I kind of hope that he burned the Bitcoins, discarded the wallets. It's possible he cares more about Bitcoin than personal wealth.

It's a possibility and not out of the question.

My guess is that he has cashed out a few, and if he hasn't he should, because certainly he deserves it.

The point is that he cannot spend these coins without giving up the secret of his identity.  No matter what he does in order to spend those coins against something else, the one receiving the payment would of course know who is his customer, to provide the goods or services.

Everybody knows that if you receive a payment in bitcoin that comes from the 37th block on the chain, it is Satoshi him/herself who is paying you, right.

Even putting those coins in a coinjoin style laundry would be extremely difficult without being traced.  Of course he could use Tor, but Tor is not entirely sure either.  So many people are eager now to find out who she is, that it would be way way too risky to ever sign a transaction on those coins.

Also, the effect would be devastating on bitcoin: if Satoshi sold his/her coins, what does that give as a signal about the future of bitcoin ?  Any movement on those coins will be seen immediately.

If Satoshi wanted to let know that these coins are not redeemable, then there would be other ways to do so.  The simplest would be to send them to a script that simply states OP_RETURN.

hero member
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March 09, 2015, 02:10:26 AM
#58
I kind of hope that he burned the Bitcoins, discarded the wallets. It's possible he cares more about Bitcoin than personal wealth.

It's a possibility and not out of the question.

My guess is that he has cashed out a few, and if he hasn't he should, because certainly he deserves it.
legendary
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March 09, 2015, 01:24:37 AM
#57
it is hard to believe but not all humans are greedy. i don't think he created bitcoin to get rich (unlike altcoin devs).
sr. member
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March 09, 2015, 01:20:08 AM
#56
Satoshi is no god or some higher tier. He is also a human and maybe when he gets older he wants to buy a nice isle with a house.

So, why should he or any other early adopters would not "dump" his coins?

All his work would be useless if he didnt dump his coins, because then he wont have anything to live...and he wont be rich.


Meanwhile i think this perma dumping is done by someone like satoshi who was an early adopter and has "unlimited" amount of coins...


In the end, bitcoin gets stronger out of it because the coins are shared between more users, but the value will go down.

He still loves his coins, obviously.
hero member
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November 25, 2014, 08:00:55 PM
#55
Pretty sure he took a big dump at 1k and bought all he needed and still holds most of the Bitcoin reserve. Other bitcoin lotery winers aka early adopters like rpietila bough a damn castle, im sure most luckytime guys sold and bought shit already, but still hold a big % of bitcoin just in case it doesnt crash.

A couple of million would keep most people happy. I'd be surprised if Satoshi is not already a millionaire. He will probably hold any coins he has left and dump a few during each new rally, but not so many that he draws attention to himself.
He is all but certainly much more then a millionaire. He is most likely a multimillionaire (he probably actually has several hundred million dollars worth of bitcoin).

I would say that he has not sold his bitcoin because there are no viable options that he can sell his bitcoin that would not involve his identity being discovered.
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November 25, 2014, 02:49:20 PM
#54
He posted that it is never good to delete a wallet for any reason.
legendary
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November 24, 2014, 06:51:07 PM
#53
You don't know who he is. He probably made it in a way that people like you would not be able to link any moves to his people
legendary
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November 24, 2014, 05:57:42 PM
#52
he doesn't have the wallet.
back then bitcoin was fun money he probably erased and created a new wallet tens of times during 2009-2010.
Im sure he does. He is intelligent enough to create bitcoin, hence intelligent enough to not lose his original wallet.
sr. member
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November 24, 2014, 03:17:54 AM
#51
he doesn't have the wallet.
back then bitcoin was fun money he probably erased and created a new wallet tens of times during 2009-2010.

Why would he erase it? Even back then hard drive space wasn't such a rare commodity Cheesy only takes a few seconds to backup the wallet.
sr. member
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November 23, 2014, 06:38:12 PM
#50
he doesn't have the wallet.
back then bitcoin was fun money he probably erased and created a new wallet tens of times during 2009-2010.
hero member
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November 23, 2014, 03:48:16 PM
#49
Pretty sure he took a big dump at 1k and bought all he needed and still holds most of the Bitcoin reserve. Other bitcoin lotery winers aka early adopters like rpietila bough a damn castle, im sure most luckytime guys sold and bought shit already, but still hold a big % of bitcoin just in case it doesnt crash.

A couple of million would keep most people happy. I'd be surprised if Satoshi is not already a millionaire. He will probably hold any coins he has left and dump a few during each new rally, but not so many that he draws attention to himself.

The point is that you can verify for yourself the first 24000 blocks or so: the reward addresses still contain the 50 coins, and have undergone no transaction at all (very funny, the first address, of block 0, has received quite some extra coins, even in 2014)
sr. member
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November 23, 2014, 03:41:58 PM
#48
Pretty sure he took a big dump at 1k and bought all he needed and still holds most of the Bitcoin reserve. Other bitcoin lotery winers aka early adopters like rpietila bough a damn castle, im sure most luckytime guys sold and bought shit already, but still hold a big % of bitcoin just in case it doesnt crash.

A couple of million would keep most people happy. I'd be surprised if Satoshi is not already a millionaire. He will probably hold any coins he has left and dump a few during each new rally, but not so many that he draws attention to himself.
hero member
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November 23, 2014, 02:51:18 PM
#47
Pretty sure he took a big dump at 1k and bought all he needed and still holds most of the Bitcoin reserve. Other bitcoin lotery winers aka early adopters like rpietila bough a damn castle, im sure most luckytime guys sold and bought shit already, but still hold a big % of bitcoin just in case it doesnt crash.
hero member
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November 23, 2014, 08:25:50 AM
#46
Maybe this satoshi guy never existed - as such.
legendary
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November 23, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
#45
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If it truely is a group creation or a government creation we won't see those coins go for many years to come.... its not feasible to sabotage the project.

Would you explain how can Bitcoin be feasible for governments at all? Emission is controlled and known in advance, contrary to USD fairy tale which they emit at their will.
legendary
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November 23, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
#44
Satoshi is either an incredibly smart single individual or a collective mind with an end goal. Personally i think its too much for one individual to create so i believe its a collective hive mind if you will.

The coins mined by satoshi were likely part of the test as it grew. It would be detrimental for those to be sold off while the currency is still in adoption phase. If it truely is a group creation or a government creation we won't see those coins go for many years to come.... its not feasible to sabotage the project.

Nobody should worry about those coins destroying market value as they would be sold off when the market value increases way more.

For now spread the BTC love and increase its adoption and value. Thats all we can do if we do indeed believe in currency evolved.
legendary
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November 22, 2014, 07:14:37 PM
#43
The fact that he never combined any coins from those thousands of addresses might indicate that most of those wallets were never saved. To the end, the best way to advertise a system's advantage is that the creator never benefited directly from the system

It would still be better if he would somehow make it known what happened or is going to happen with those coins....
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
November 22, 2014, 03:03:33 PM
#42
The fact that he never combined any coins from those thousands of addresses might indicate that most of those wallets were never saved. To the end, the best way to advertise a system's advantage is that the creator never benefited directly from the system
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