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Topic: Why X11 runs cooler - an answer. - page 2. (Read 2654 times)

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November 01, 2014, 08:17:29 PM
#13
Nice write up OP. Btw Spoetnik, you're wrong most of the time.



I am always rightwrong, come to terms with it  Cool
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@Bit_John
November 01, 2014, 08:11:35 PM
#12
Great write up and discussion great stuff.
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November 01, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
#11
any opinions on lyra2 that vertcoin is supposed to be coming out with?  they claim it will be easier on the cards than scrypt ... wonder if it has this compromise

Ehehehe. I'm gonna have fun with Lyra2RE. The current code for Lyra2 - even without the extra hashes - is quite bad. Once it works, I'll have a field day.

In other words - your closed sourced miner will be much more efficient than the open source one huh Tongue

By a mile, likely. By the way, technically, my miner is open source - those who it is shared with have the source - I'm just picky about who I share it with.

Nothing wrong with that.  Just out of curiosity why do you normally sell your miner or mine yourself instead of releasing a closed source with a %?
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November 01, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
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any opinions on lyra2 that vertcoin is supposed to be coming out with?  they claim it will be easier on the cards than scrypt ... wonder if it has this compromise

Ehehehe. I'm gonna have fun with Lyra2RE. The current code for Lyra2 - even without the extra hashes - is quite bad. Once it works, I'll have a field day.

In other words - your closed sourced miner will be much more efficient than the open source one huh Tongue
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November 01, 2014, 06:46:05 PM
#9
any opinions on lyra2 that vertcoin is supposed to be coming out with?  they claim it will be easier on the cards than scrypt ... wonder if it has this compromise

P.S.  I'm picking up some jackpotcoin just 'cuz i love you spotniek
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FUD Philanthropist™
November 01, 2014, 06:40:50 PM
#8
well i was impressed by your work though good job Smiley

and X7 i have no idea LOL

JHA aka: Jackpotcoin uses mix of 5 .an X5 algo of sorts
and it is less of heat draw than X11 too
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November 01, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
#7
wolf, I don't get what you are trying to say. Can you put in layman terms please?

X11 runs cold because the implementation sucks and a good part of the GPU is idle.

no shit i said that when it came out and they ran around advertising that and you all argued with me endlessly LOL

I told you so Wink

PS:
Put Blocknet in your topic title if you want people to read this Wink

The world is tuned in and we need up to the minute late breaking Blocknet-gate scandal coverage !

PPS:
I can post 50 quotes of me saying that 6 months ago too if need be Wink
thanks for proving my rightness though..
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Additionally, x13 and x15 suck for the same reason. The x14 and x17 PoW functions, too, but nobody cares about them.

What about the X7 that Cryptonite uses?
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November 01, 2014, 06:25:30 PM
#6
wolf, I don't get what you are trying to say. Can you put in layman terms please?

X11 runs cold because the implementation sucks and a good part of the GPU is idle.

no shit i said that when it came out and they ran around advertising that and you all argued with me endlessly LOL

I told you so Wink

PS:
Put Blocknet in your topic title if you want people to read this Wink

The world is tuned in and we need up to the minute late breaking Blocknet-gate scandal coverage !

PPS:
I can post 50 quotes of me saying that 6 months ago too if need be Wink
thanks for proving my rightness though..
I am always right, come to terms with it  Cool
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November 01, 2014, 06:16:35 PM
#5
wolf, I don't get what you are trying to say. Can you put in layman terms please?

X11 runs cold because the implementation sucks and a good part of the GPU is idle.

The dark coin wiki says this about it.

Is X11 cooler in GPUs because it's inefficient?

Not necessarily. Bitcoin mining in GPUs (SHA256) requires less energy than Scrypt and yet no-one claims that SHA256 implementation is inefficient – it's just that there are differences in how each hashing algorithm uses the hardware.

Regarding X11, apparently the “gaps” in the chaining sequence, as one algorithm is hashed with the next algorithm, provide for a “breathing” space or “lag”. An alternative explanation is that certain algorithms (out of the 11) are just slow when processed by a GPU and thus slow down the whole process. The hashing of a chain can only go as fast as the slowest algorithm of the chain.

There should be some level of optimization possible in some of the hashing algorithms that increase the hashrate and energy consumption in future versions of the GPU miners. Groestl in particular is considered to be improvable.

http://wiki.darkcoin.eu/wiki/FAQ#Is_X11_cooler_in_GPUs_because_it.27s_inefficient.3F
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November 01, 2014, 06:08:49 PM
#4
wolf, I don't get what you are trying to say. Can you put in layman terms please?

X11 runs cold because the implementation sucks and a good part of the GPU is idle.

But that is actually nice on the hardware. Less wear and tear.
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November 01, 2014, 02:57:14 AM
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wolf, I don't get what you are trying to say. Can you put in layman terms please?
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November 01, 2014, 12:50:41 AM
#2
This makes more sense than most of the guesses out there. Thanks for for sharing this answer with us.  Smiley
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October 31, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
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