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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 20, 2023, 10:39:42 PM

@hilariousetc. Have Joshua and Wilder also agreed that their fight will again be in Saudi Arabia?

The skeptical me thinks that if Joshua and Wilder have already signed a contract and it is agreed to also be in Saudi Arabia then there might be some people that will make it quite certain that they will win their fights spectacularly with knockouts heheehehee.

Promoters have let that fight marinate for far too long. They don't have much of a choice but to fight each other if they want to remain relevant. If they drag it out further then either one of them could lose again and the interest in that matchup would be completely gone. If they are both fighting on the same card as main and co-main event then it is logical to conclude that there is an understanding for them to fight each other next. When there is so much money at stake for Matchroom and the sanctioning organizations it wouldn't be surprising if there was an early stoppage or a a controversial decision to ensure their desired outcome.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 20, 2023, 10:39:42 PM

@hilariousetc. Have Joshua and Wilder also agreed that their fight will again be in Saudi Arabia?

The skeptical me thinks that if Joshua and Wilder have already signed a contract and it is agreed to also be in Saudi Arabia then there might be some people that will make it quite certain that they will win their fights spectacularly with knockouts heheehehee.

If I'm not mistaken, they could have agreed already in principle to have the fight in Saudi Arabia. We even have news that it could happen this December, if not for Fury needed more time to heal before of the beating he got from Usyk.

Because the initial plan was December with:

Fury vs Usyk
Joshua vs Wilder

So now the December fight for Joshua and Wilder is just a get busy fight and hopefully there will be no derailing this February.

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@hilariousetc. Have Joshua and Wilder also agreed that their fight will again be in Saudi Arabia?

The skeptical me thinks that if Joshua and Wilder have already signed a contract and it is agreed to also be in Saudi Arabia then there might be some people that will make it quite certain that they will win their fights spectacularly with knockouts heheehehee.

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The fans will certainly also want Deontay Wilder vs. Anthony Joshua if they win on their own fights against Parker and Wallin hehehe. Make the winner of this challenge the champion. This will also hype their names and it will make them more deserving to challenge for the heavyweight championship.

Wilder vs AJ and Wallin vs Parker would be more balanced fights, as we gonna see two boxers obviously beaten in few days. Would be more cool if this were a tournament, and the winners of AJ vs Wallin and Wilder vs Parker fight among each other. To bad that can only happen in K1 or MMA. Real challenge would be between Dubois and Miller. This is the fight where it is hard to tell who would be a winner.

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Also, if Fury wins against Usyk, it would be boring to see another Fury vs. Wilder fight. A Fury vs. Joshua fight might also not be very exciting for the fans because Joshua lost to Usyk twice already.

We have Zhilei Zhang, he wasnt involved yet in those Game of Thrones between Wilder-Usyk-Fury-AJ. He might be an interesting opponent.

It looks like the AJ/Wilder fight is already signed, but I'm not so sure AJ will make it past Wallin easy and I don't have that much confidence in him. He struggles against southpaws and Otto has only lost to Tyson Fury and he was lucky that fight wasn't stopped for the nasty cut. I think the money is on an upset personally. If Wilder doesn't KO Parker then I could see him losing on points. I would love to Zhang against Fury or Usyk but I think most boxers will avoid him like the plague.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 19, 2023, 10:16:49 PM

The fans will certainly also want Deontay Wilder vs. Anthony Joshua if they win on their own fights against Parker and Wallin hehehe. Make the winner of this challenge the champion. This will also hype their names and it will make them more deserving to challenge for the heavyweight championship.

Wilder vs AJ and Wallin vs Parker would be more balanced fights, as we gonna see two boxers obviously beaten in few days. Would be more cool if this were a tournament, and the winners of AJ vs Wallin and Wilder vs Parker fight among each other. To bad that can only happen in K1 or MMA. Real challenge would be between Dubois and Miller. This is the fight where it is hard to tell who would be a winner.

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Also, if Fury wins against Usyk, it would be boring to see another Fury vs. Wilder fight. A Fury vs. Joshua fight might also not be very exciting for the fans because Joshua lost to Usyk twice already.

We have Zhilei Zhang, he wasnt involved yet in those Game of Thrones between Wilder-Usyk-Fury-AJ. He might be an interesting opponent.

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So far Parker 5:1 underdog against Wilder. Otto Wallin, almost 4:1 underdog. So that speaks that this is just a confidence boosting match.

With those odds, it seems like an easy fight for Wilder. The thing is, when Wilder struggles against his opponents, he tends to lose, and that has only happened against Fury. So, against Parker, I believe it could be an easy KO for Wilder. Despite being defeated by Fury, Wilder is making a comeback, and if he continues to improve his ranking, there's a good chance he'll make a strong return.

Looking ahead to Fury vs. Usyk, if Fury wins, both AJ and Wilder might be forced to fight the champion for another shot. If that happens, fans might not be as excited, given Wilder's previous losses to Fury. However, against AJ, it could be different as we haven't seen him fight Fury. Yet, according to the books, AJ appears to be an easy target for Fury. These are just possibilities for the future, so for more exciting bouts in the heavyweight division, let's hope Usyk can beat Fury, as things could become uncertain against AJ or Wilder.

The fans will certainly also want Deontay Wilder vs. Anthony Joshua if they win on their own fights against Parker and Wallin hehehe. Make the winner of this challenge the champion. This will also hype their names and it will make them more deserving to challenge for the heavyweight championship.

Also, if Fury wins against Usyk, it would be boring to see another Fury vs. Wilder fight. A Fury vs. Joshua fight might also not be very exciting for the fans because Joshua lost to Usyk twice already.

Wilder vs. Joshua would be a good match if both wins in their respective fights in Saudi, but it seems it's only good because of their names. Personally, I don't see anything in Joshua that would be a serious threat against Wilder. In fact, I'd rather see the old man Zhang face Wilder next. We will see whose power prevails. That would be a lot more interesting than a Wilder-Joshua match.

The heavyweight division would be boring if limited to these fighters. They're already crossing paths. I wonder if it becomes more exciting if upsets happen. And then there are other top ones like Sanchez or Hrgovic or even Ruiz to create fresh match ups.

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Quote from: Japinat on December 19, 2023, 07:40:58 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on December 19, 2023, 06:09:46 AM

So far Parker 5:1 underdog against Wilder. Otto Wallin, almost 4:1 underdog. So that speaks that this is just a confidence boosting match.

With those odds, it seems like an easy fight for Wilder. The thing is, when Wilder struggles against his opponents, he tends to lose, and that has only happened against Fury. So, against Parker, I believe it could be an easy KO for Wilder. Despite being defeated by Fury, Wilder is making a comeback, and if he continues to improve his ranking, there's a good chance he'll make a strong return.

Looking ahead to Fury vs. Usyk, if Fury wins, both AJ and Wilder might be forced to fight the champion for another shot. If that happens, fans might not be as excited, given Wilder's previous losses to Fury. However, against AJ, it could be different as we haven't seen him fight Fury. Yet, according to the books, AJ appears to be an easy target for Fury. These are just possibilities for the future, so for more exciting bouts in the heavyweight division, let's hope Usyk can beat Fury, as things could become uncertain against AJ or Wilder.

The fans will certainly also want Deontay Wilder vs. Anthony Joshua if they win on their own fights against Parker and Wallin hehehe. Make the winner of this challenge the champion. This will also hype their names and it will make them more deserving to challenge for the heavyweight championship.

Also, if Fury wins against Usyk, it would be boring to see another Fury vs. Wilder fight. A Fury vs. Joshua fight might also not be very exciting for the fans because Joshua lost to Usyk twice already.

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If the two of them win in their respective matches, then it is becoming more probable for them to face each other next. If that happens, I agree with your that Wilder would be the favorite. And I also think that Wilder might knockout Joshua.

That is the plan in the beginning, Wilder and Joshua having a tune up with low risk opponents, just to get that cobwebs out before this two fight at the undercard of Usyk vs Fury.

So far Parker 5:1 underdog against Wilder. Otto Wallin, almost 4:1 underdog. So that speaks that this is just a confidence boosting match.

The odds will be decided only after the fights because it also depends on how they perform. I believe both AJ and Wilder aren't as mentally stable as before. But in these fights, AJ is fighting the better opponent. The last time there were odds between these 2 popular heavyweights was when they were undefeated and AJ is always favored. Wallin is unbeaten since losing a decision to Fury a few years ago so he will be more confident of an upset while Parker at this current stage of his career is just too slow to threaten the unskillful but dynamite-fisted Wilder.

But I'll be more interested in seeing the world champions in this event, Dmitry Bivol and Jai Opetaia. Jai had confirmed that he will be helping Tyson Fury after his fight. The bad news is Jai also vacated his belt already because he prefers the life-changing offer in this event rather than face his mandatory.

Yes it is interesting to watch the world champions in this event as well but the reality is that Bivol and Jai's matches are more lop-sided than Wilder and Joshua's. They are all favorites but Wilder has odds of 1.15 and Joshua has 1.22. On the other hand, the inactive Bivol has odds of 1.01 and Jai has the same 1.01. If odds truly reflect the probabilities of all fighters to win then Wilder and Joshua's opponents have better chances of getting an upset than Bivol and Jai's. It seems Bivol and Jai are already sure winners if we look at their odds.

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Quote from: Dave1 on December 19, 2023, 06:09:46 AM

So far Parker 5:1 underdog against Wilder. Otto Wallin, almost 4:1 underdog. So that speaks that this is just a confidence boosting match.

With those odds, it seems like an easy fight for Wilder. The thing is, when Wilder struggles against his opponents, he tends to lose, and that has only happened against Fury. So, against Parker, I believe it could be an easy KO for Wilder. Despite being defeated by Fury, Wilder is making a comeback, and if he continues to improve his ranking, there's a good chance he'll make a strong return.

Looking ahead to Fury vs. Usyk, if Fury wins, both AJ and Wilder might be forced to fight the champion for another shot. If that happens, fans might not be as excited, given Wilder's previous losses to Fury. However, against AJ, it could be different as we haven't seen him fight Fury. Yet, according to the books, AJ appears to be an easy target for Fury. These are just possibilities for the future, so for more exciting bouts in the heavyweight division, let's hope Usyk can beat Fury, as things could become uncertain against AJ or Wilder.

I think against Ortiz, he also struggle as Ortiz is very strong in the first early rounds. But when Wilder started to get hot and then he is hitting those bombs against Ortiz, it was just a matter of time before he caught him good and knock him down. However, against Fury it's a different story though, Tyson Fury was really controlling the fight and didn't get Wilder some space to make him comfortable.

And I do agree that this fight is just a busy fight for the two, Wilder and Joshua.

We might hear Parker and Wallin talking about derailing the supposedly Wilder vs Joshua. But I don't think that there will be surprises here.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 16, 2023, 12:02:06 AM

The last time there was a card this stacked was probably when Don King was the top promoter many decades ago. I am impressed at the ability of the Saudis to bring together this lineup of fighters regardless of promoter or network affiliation.

Even if Wilder and Joshua have been diminished by the brutal beatings they've taken, it is still an intriguing potential matchup. I am not counting Wallin and Parker out. They are very capable fighters and it wouldn't surprise me if either of them won.

It's great to see Bivol back in action. Hopefully this leads to an undisputed fight with Beterbiev. The rest of the undercard is also interesting since it is full of contenders who would be headliners on any other night.

Most likely it's because of the money that Saudi can offer to stage this big fight. They started to become a boxing hub, not that we don't like to see fights happening in the Middle East, but they have open their doors and willing to shell out money to have this kind of stage in their country. And I do agree that we haven't seen this kind of card that is pretty much stacked up. As for Bivol, I was surprised to read that he had his hands operated. So meaning that he has been suffering pain in his right now during his win against the cash cow Canelo Alvarez. But now that it is completely healed, then there should be no problems and it will be scary to see Bivol hand's throwing at 100%. So hopefully after this win, we can see him and Beterbiev fight in the future for the undisputed LHW champion.

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Quote from: Dave1 on December 19, 2023, 06:09:46 AM

So far Parker 5:1 underdog against Wilder. Otto Wallin, almost 4:1 underdog. So that speaks that this is just a confidence boosting match.

With those odds, it seems like an easy fight for Wilder. The thing is, when Wilder struggles against his opponents, he tends to lose, and that has only happened against Fury. So, against Parker, I believe it could be an easy KO for Wilder. Despite being defeated by Fury, Wilder is making a comeback, and if he continues to improve his ranking, there's a good chance he'll make a strong return.

Looking ahead to Fury vs. Usyk, if Fury wins, both AJ and Wilder might be forced to fight the champion for another shot. If that happens, fans might not be as excited, given Wilder's previous losses to Fury. However, against AJ, it could be different as we haven't seen him fight Fury. Yet, according to the books, AJ appears to be an easy target for Fury. These are just possibilities for the future, so for more exciting bouts in the heavyweight division, let's hope Usyk can beat Fury, as things could become uncertain against AJ or Wilder.

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If the two of them win in their respective matches, then it is becoming more probable for them to face each other next. If that happens, I agree with your that Wilder would be the favorite. And I also think that Wilder might knockout Joshua.

That is the plan in the beginning, Wilder and Joshua having a tune up with low risk opponents, just to get that cobwebs out before this two fight at the undercard of Usyk vs Fury.

So far Parker 5:1 underdog against Wilder. Otto Wallin, almost 4:1 underdog. So that speaks that this is just a confidence boosting match.

The odds will be decided only after the fights because it also depends on how they perform. I believe both AJ and Wilder aren't as mentally stable as before. But in these fights, AJ is fighting the better opponent. The last time there were odds between these 2 popular heavyweights was when they were undefeated and AJ is always favored. Wallin is unbeaten since losing a decision to Fury a few years ago so he will be more confident of an upset while Parker at this current stage of his career is just too slow to threaten the unskillful but dynamite-fisted Wilder.

But I'll be more interested in seeing the world champions in this event, Dmitry Bivol and Jai Opetaia. Jai had confirmed that he will be helping Tyson Fury after his fight. The bad news is Jai also vacated his belt already because he prefers the life-changing offer in this event rather than face his mandatory.

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It will be some interesting fights and I will do my best to see them live in some sports bar. Both Wilder and Joshua are the favorite to win and a fight between the two of them would be pretty exciting! If it happens, I think Wilder is the favorite to win.

Saudi really has the guts to stage such big fights. They have the money. They know how to attract fans from all over the world. I'll be making sure this day will also be free of appointments and other schedules.

Yeah, it's about the money now, I mean, oil money flowing to boxing? that will be great right?

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on December 18, 2023, 11:32:35 PM

If the two of them win in their respective matches, then it is becoming more probable for them to face each other next. If that happens, I agree with your that Wilder would be the favorite. And I also think that Wilder might knockout Joshua.

That is the plan in the beginning, Wilder and Joshua having a tune up with low risk opponents, just to get that cobwebs out before this two fight at the undercard of Usyk vs Fury.

So far Parker 5:1 underdog against Wilder. Otto Wallin, almost 4:1 underdog. So that speaks that this is just a confidence boosting match.

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Quote from: babygun on December 18, 2023, 10:42:54 PM

It will be some interesting fights and I will do my best to see them live in some sports bar. Both Wilder and Joshua are the favorite to win and a fight between the two of them would be pretty exciting! If it happens, I think Wilder is the favorite to win.

Saudi really has the guts to stage such big fights. They have the money. They know how to attract fans from all over the world. I'll be making sure this day will also be free of appointments and other schedules.

If the two of them win in their respective matches, then it is becoming more probable for them to face each other next. If that happens, I agree with your that Wilder would be the favorite. And I also think that Wilder might knockout Joshua.

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Quote from: Distinctin on November 16, 2023, 12:22:51 AM

Wow! Saudi again. After the successful fight of Fury vs Ngannou, they go again with an even bigger one. Familiar names, and Dmitry Bivol is included, making this fight very interesting to watch. Well, I guess we can't expect a Fury vs Usyk anymore this year, as this one are also a big matchups to excite the fans.

I'm rooting for Joshua and Wilder to win their respective fights so they could face each other for the first time.

As for Dmitry Bivol, I think he'll be a sure winner here.

It will be some interesting fights and I will do my best to see them live in some sports bar. Both Wilder and Joshua are the favorite to win and a fight between the two of them would be pretty exciting! If it happens, I think Wilder is the favorite to win.

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This is indeed one mega fight it is star-studded and headed by two former heavyweight champions, both Wilder and Joshua are expected to be the favorite here but both their challengers are expected to give them a hard fight I hope both former champions will hurdle their respective opponents so they can finally face each, its really long time coming I'm sure like many fans will watch this fight to see how former champions perform against their respective opponents.
Honestly, I am more worried about Joshua than Wilder not because Wallin is a dangerous fighter but because he is prone to upsets and has a weak character than Wilder.

Yeah, both Wilder and Joshua are heavy favorites in these matches with odds 1.17 and 1.26, respectively. But I'm more excited about Wilder vs. Parker here. Both are heavy punchers with the ability to end the fight right in the opening round. I bet the fight won't go the distance. Despite the lop-sided odds, I still think Parker can upset Wilder. As to Joshua vs. Wallin, I'm not expecting much. It will probably be not as explosive as the other bout.

And there is Dmitry Bivol. I would just bet 3 fights for this event. Despite being still young AJ is not as good as before after his first loss or there are just fighters that he couldn't really beat because of the Southpaw stance. Saudi is ramping up because people there are hungry for entertainment and they are very rich to hold events like this.

Ngannou could have been in this card if he just agreed to fight Wilder. The man fumbles the bag again, he is stubborn.

However, how much would Francis Ngannou's purse be if his team agreed to fight the Bronze Bomber instead of Tyson Fury? Correct me if I am wrong but I reckon it would not be a bigger purse than fighting Fury. Also, Tyson Fury is a champion. It was not a championship fight, however, it was better to fight Fury than someone who is not champion and who also lost to Tyson Fury hehe.

It's not as big as what he got from Fury fight but it's still big compared to his fight in UFC. But most important of all is that he may just have a rank in WBC once he gets into the legitimate 12-round bout and not just the crossover fight hype. Fighting Wilder will put him as a pro boxer.

He is hoping that Fury will once again fight him when he knows it will take long because Arum already arranged for Fury vs Usyk and all they are waiting for is injuries to be healed.

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This is start studded we have popular names on the cards, and many of these are main event fighters like Joshua, Wilder, Dubois, Bivol, and Hrgovic you seldom see these kinds of cards on any boxing promotion in the United States, Saudi Arabia is slowly carving its name as the next Mecca of boxing and why not this is an oil-rich country and their neighboring countries people will flock to Saudi Arabia, this will attract a lot of tourist in this part of the Middle East.

It's going to be interesting to watch the media conference, I'm sure the fans and the media will be interested to ask Wilder and Joshua and they may engage in thrash talks because this event is where the boxing community knows if they are ready with each other.

This is a must-watch event not because of the star-studded lineup but more so on how Joshua and Wilder will perform against their respective opponents this will be the gauge if they are going to meet.

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This is indeed one mega fight it is star-studded and headed by two former heavyweight champions, both Wilder and Joshua are expected to be the favorite here but both their challengers are expected to give them a hard fight I hope both former champions will hurdle their respective opponents so they can finally face each, its really long time coming I'm sure like many fans will watch this fight to see how former champions perform against their respective opponents.
Honestly, I am more worried about Joshua than Wilder not because Wallin is a dangerous fighter but because he is prone to upsets and has a weak character than Wilder.

Yeah, both Wilder and Joshua are heavy favorites in these matches with odds 1.17 and 1.26, respectively. But I'm more excited about Wilder vs. Parker here. Both are heavy punchers with the ability to end the fight right in the opening round. I bet the fight won't go the distance. Despite the lop-sided odds, I still think Parker can upset Wilder. As to Joshua vs. Wallin, I'm not expecting much. It will probably be not as explosive as the other bout.

And there is Dmitry Bivol. I would just bet 3 fights for this event. Despite being still young AJ is not as good as before after his first loss or there are just fighters that he couldn't really beat because of the Southpaw stance. Saudi is ramping up because people there are hungry for entertainment and they are very rich to hold events like this.

Ngannou could have been in this card if he just agreed to fight Wilder. The man fumbles the bag again, he is stubborn.

However, how much would Francis Ngannou's purse be if his team agreed to fight the Bronze Bomber instead of Tyson Fury? Correct me if I am wrong but I reckon it would not be a bigger purse than fighting Fury. Also, Tyson Fury is a champion. It was not a championship fight, however, it was better to fight Fury than someone who is not champion and who also lost to Tyson Fury hehe.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on November 15, 2023, 04:19:23 PM

[....]'No idea how they managed to get this all sorted within a little over a week.

I was trying to look for the money offered to them to accept this fight but nothing has appeared so far. The amount must have been hard to resist. They are also fighting some boxers who they probably think it's not much of a threat so that made the decision easier. If it was straight up Joshua vs Wilder for Dec. 23 then I doubt it will happen.

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Wow! Saudi again. After the successful fight of Fury vs Ngannou, they go again with an even bigger one. Familiar names, and Dmitry Bivol is included, making this fight very interesting to watch. Well, I guess we can't expect a Fury vs Usyk anymore this year, as this one are also a big matchups to excite the fans.

I'm rooting for Joshua and Wilder to win their respective fights so they could face each other for the first time.

As for Dmitry Bivol, I think he'll be a sure winner here.

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