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legendary
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November 17, 2013, 10:52:47 AM
#49
i guess i am very lucky to have 93% return in btc and almost trippled in dollars with my jupiters.

THANKS KNC  Cool

Wohoo, nice... just curious that did you take into account your electricity charges for the 93% return?

6 jupiters need approx. 4500 watt per hour = 108 000 watt per day = 3 240 000 per month.

that´s 3240 kwatt/h per month. 1 k/h cost about .25 cent (€) here.

they have been mining for 6 weeks now. so yeah, taking electricity charges into account they used approx. € 1200,- so far.





Nice to see people actually can make profit from buying mining equipment, so looks like KNC is after all the best company...
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 2106
November 17, 2013, 09:44:20 AM
#48
i guess i am very lucky to have 93% return in btc and almost trippled in dollars with my jupiters.

THANKS KNC  Cool

Wohoo, nice... just curious that did you take into account your electricity charges for the 93% return?

6 jupiters need approx. 4500 watt per hour = 108 000 watt per day = 3 240 000 per month.

that´s 3240 kwatt/h per month. 1 k/h cost about .25 cent (€) here.

they have been mining for 6 weeks now. so yeah, taking electricity charges into account they used approx. € 1200,- so far.



full member
Activity: 214
Merit: 100
November 17, 2013, 09:06:30 AM
#47
i guess i am very lucky to have 93% return in btc and almost trippled in dollars with my jupiters.

THANKS KNC  Cool

Wohoo, nice... just curious that did you take into account your electricity charges for the 93% return?
hero member
Activity: 1082
Merit: 505
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November 17, 2013, 07:51:46 AM
#46
My Jupiter is using 700-800 Watts at the wall. The ASICs report using ~400 W. Anyone have an issue like this?

50% effiency is really bad, I would change the power supply if I were you...
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 2106
November 13, 2013, 11:02:13 AM
#45
i guess i am very lucky to have 93% return in btc and almost trippled in dollars with my jupiters.

THANKS KNC  Cool
member
Activity: 114
Merit: 10
November 13, 2013, 10:44:51 AM
#44
Just checking in with my Day 1 Jup.  Looks like i've gotten 37.5 BTC back from my original investment - I've been dollar cost averaging out, so the higher BTC to USD goes, the less BTC i need to sell Smiley

37.5 / 57 = 65% of my BTC investment has been returned.

hero member
Activity: 752
Merit: 500
November 13, 2013, 09:07:22 AM
#43
it might ROI if purchased in Bitcoins depends on how the difficulty escalates, if purchased in dollars it will ROI, but it is also true that purchasing the Bitcoins would have been better investment.
buying a miner is a very high risk investments that can have high rewards, in case of loses they will not be very high, unless if you purchase from BFL and get the miner a year later.

Hindsight is 20/20, therefore I think you got it backwards my friend.  If purchased in dollars, you will ROI.  If purchased in BTC, you'd be better off keeping the BTC last June/July/Aug.  You would have made triple if you just kept the bitcions last summer.  You would make nothing if you just kept the dollars.

Yes, purchasing the bitcoins would have been better.  20/20.  Heck, I think purchasing them now would be better than getting into mining.  They could be 1000 in a year.  Who knows.  Yes, BFL sucks.  They're an expensive lottery ticket at this point.  I will be solo mining with mine soon.

1 Jupiter would cost ~60 bitcoins last summer.  If you had a day 1 order, you'd have made ~20 at this point.  Maybe 10-20 more before next couple dif changes.  So all in all better to not buy in bitcoin last summer, but buy in USD.

IMHO
sr. member
Activity: 313
Merit: 258
November 13, 2013, 12:14:55 AM
#42
it might ROI if purchased in Bitcoins depends on how the difficulty escalates, if purchased in dollars it will ROI, but it is also true that purchasing the Bitcoins would have been better investment.
buying a miner is a very high risk investments that can have high rewards, in case of loses they will not be very high, unless if you purchase from BFL and get the miner a year later.
zvs
legendary
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Merit: 1000
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November 05, 2013, 07:50:44 AM
#41
I made also 25,7 BTC since 4th of October(day1) with my Jupiter.

How much did you pay for it?

6995.-$ but i sold 22BTC on 210$, so im almost break even.

You're almost break even in dollars, but nowhere close to break even if you had bought btc with that 6995.
That is to say you could have bought about 60 btc with that $6995 then sold about 30 of them at 210 and recouped your original investment (and been ahead 30 btc). So, that should be your reference point for break-even.

ROI should be measured in terms of bitcoins that would have been needed at the time of purchase (~60) and how many bitcoins you have generated. So, it sounds like you're not even halfway there.

ride this next difficulty level, then sell it used to some sucker a couple of days before next difficulty jump
legendary
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Christian Antkow
November 04, 2013, 05:09:39 PM
#40
Wall draw is always higher than actual used energy due to inefficiencies of the power supplies. 700W draw for 400W used doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility.
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1040
November 04, 2013, 05:37:23 AM
#39
Haha, well. Works for me. I just use very conservative sequences. 

I want to reach 37 BTC to break even on the Jupiter, and then get to 55 to break even on other investments in mining, including 3 cloudhashing platinum contracts, and a BFL Little Single order -- that I could thankfully transfer over to 125 GH BFL hosting order (which should start in Feb).


I predict tears.
full member
Activity: 125
Merit: 100
November 04, 2013, 05:20:08 AM
#38
I've mined with a Jupiter for two weeks now, made 12 BTC. Won 18 BTC gambling in the same period, so I'm almost break even!

I don't think this qualifies as a Jupiter breaking even... lol

Haha, well. Works for me. I just use very conservative sequences. 

I want to reach 37 BTC to break even on the Jupiter, and then get to 55 to break even on other investments in mining, including 3 cloudhashing platinum contracts, and a BFL Little Single order -- that I could thankfully transfer over to 125 GH BFL hosting order (which should start in Feb).

sr. member
Activity: 420
Merit: 250
November 04, 2013, 12:57:53 AM
#37
I've mined with a Jupiter for two weeks now, made 12 BTC. Won 18 BTC gambling in the same period, so I'm almost break even!

Lolz, this has nothing to do with break-even. If you use 18BTC to gamble instead then you have 27 BTC which is more profit then jupiter...!!!
ar9
sr. member
Activity: 352
Merit: 250
November 03, 2013, 11:00:47 PM
#36
I've mined with a Jupiter for two weeks now, made 12 BTC. Won 18 BTC gambling in the same period, so I'm almost break even!

I don't think this qualifies as a Jupiter breaking even... lol
hero member
Activity: 752
Merit: 500
November 03, 2013, 01:48:25 PM
#35
I've mined with a Jupiter for two weeks now, made 12 BTC. Won 18 BTC gambling in the same period, so I'm almost break even!
How'd you do that? Gamble that is?
full member
Activity: 125
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November 03, 2013, 01:01:29 PM
#34
I've mined with a Jupiter for two weeks now, made 12 BTC. Won 18 BTC gambling in the same period, so I'm almost break even!
hero member
Activity: 776
Merit: 536
October 31, 2013, 10:47:57 AM
#33
Are you guys leaving the default settings on the genesis block calculator again?  130% per month growth - sure, that sustainable forever, no problem.

Forever, of course not. But there is a reason growth is exponential.  its no coincidence the network hashrate since the first asics has perfectly followed an exponential curve; as almost always, if you see exponential growth there is a feedback loop. Every GH added to the network increases difficulty. Higher difficulty leads to lower mining profitability per GH, which leads to lower market prices per GH (until we approach vendors marginal profitability), which leads to more GH being added to the network.

So how long will it last? until we hit one of two constraints:
- vendors ability to deliver/deploy ever increasing numbers. If that happens growth will become linear rather than exponential.
- we approach marginal profitability, ie it costs more to produce/sell/deploy asic based miners than they are expected to earn in mining revenue over a reasonable time period (=market price or self mining opportunity).

We are very far way from the latter, literally at least one order of magnitude and potentially almost 2 orders of magnitude at todays BTC exchange rate.
As for the former, that one is hard to judge, but Josh boasting of 1000 units shipped in a day (if a similar volume can one day be achieved for Monarchs that could mean 10+ PH per month for BFL alone) and looking at the assembly plant that Hashfast contracted, I dont think widespread capacity constraints are likely to hit us anytime soon either.


So yeah, exponential growth will inevitably stop, but probably much later than you think. I dont see it happening before 100PH at least.

Puppet +1.   

This is gonna be a fun ride...
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1040
October 31, 2013, 06:34:09 AM
#32
Are you guys leaving the default settings on the genesis block calculator again?  130% per month growth - sure, that sustainable forever, no problem.

Forever, of course not. But there is a reason growth is exponential.  its no coincidence the network hashrate since the first asics has perfectly followed an exponential curve; as almost always, if you see exponential growth there is a feedback loop. Every GH added to the network increases difficulty. Higher difficulty leads to lower mining profitability per GH, which leads to lower market prices per GH (until we approach vendors marginal profitability), which leads to more GH being added to the network.

So how long will it last? until we hit one of two constraints:
- vendors ability to deliver/deploy ever increasing numbers. If that happens growth will become linear rather than exponential.
- we approach marginal profitability, ie it costs more to produce/sell/deploy asic based miners than they are expected to earn in mining revenue over a reasonable time period (=market price or self mining opportunity).

We are very far way from the latter, literally at least one order of magnitude and potentially almost 2 orders of magnitude at todays BTC exchange rate.
As for the former, that one is hard to judge, but Josh boasting of 1000 units shipped in a day (if a similar volume can one day be achieved for Monarchs that could mean 10+ PH per month for BFL alone) and looking at the assembly plant that Hashfast contracted, I dont think widespread capacity constraints are likely to hit us anytime soon either.


So yeah, exponential growth will inevitably stop, but probably much later than you think. I dont see it happening before 100PH at least.
sr. member
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Merit: 253
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October 30, 2013, 10:14:15 PM
#31
That is what they say about the USD...
hero member
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Merit: 500
October 30, 2013, 12:50:05 AM
#30
2 Jupiters here.  First received Oct. 14th, 2nd on 17th.  Both in afternoon.  Mined 24BTC so far.

Nice, how much did you pay both for?
Total paid, $14,597.80.  Plus 2 PSU's, 1 surge protector, new router, 50 ft ethernet cord.  I guess ~$15,130 total.  So I have a ways to go for ROI.  About 1/3 way there.  I'm hoarding btw.  US dollar gonna crash ya know.
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