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Topic: Will Bitcoin become antiquated and lose its first mover advantage? (Read 406 times)

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I think bitcoin is always going be number 1. It is like coke or Mcdonalds they are the first of their kind forever Cool
absolutely right and bitcoin will also have value even though it is currently destroyed, so it does not mean that bitcoin becomes old-fashioned it will not bring profit to its main driver

Yes, and bitcoins price will recover soon and not in this year only, We can face Only the big drop of price of bitcoin.
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It's been just about 10 years since the introduction of Bitcoin, the introduction of blockchain technology, and the introduction of a digital and decentralized currency (thanks Satoshi & his inspirations). Bitcoin has held dominance since its inception. We know this. There are tons of extremely bright and passionate core developers who have been there since the near beginning and continue to develop. Large companies/corporations, successful technology entrepreneurs continue to advocate Bitcoin, so on and so forth.

It seems as though not only the need for a decentralized digital currency is there, but an increasing want for it too. Let's try to put the market aspect of things aside, for the sake of this topic.

How could new companies/projects render Bitcoin obsolete?

The desire is there, for some. Those who think that Bitcoin is a dinosaur, and want it to be an antiquated technology.

Do you think it's possible? Very likely? I'd love to hear opinions and insights.

jes i think so bitcoin can end up being a sold out shitcoin no one wants,

reason is a death spiral it has been caught in, loss in investor confidence -> sell out on markets + retailers earning and selling bitcoin, but even they have trouble finding a good investment alternative.

bitcoin might end up becoming a shitcoin, a term bitcoin and its protecting index mafia has put on many competitors.
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I think bitcoin is always going be number 1. It is like coke or Mcdonalds they are the first of their kind forever Cool
absolutely right and bitcoin will also have value even though it is currently destroyed, so it does not mean that bitcoin becomes old-fashioned it will not bring profit to its main driver
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something that is brand new is not going to be obsolete in its early days. and whenever we are talking about a new technology that is also improving then your question sounds very silly!
you are basically asking if the newest technology in the world of finance is going to become obsolete!
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I don't think so. All that is needed at this point in my opinion is a functional cryptocurrency, and people have trust in bitcoin as exactly that. There are a ton of other cryptos which claim to do a range of things, but in reality, are completely impractical.

Bitcoin is still the most adopted, most practical cryptocurrency. It's not antiquated at all. Its first mover advantage isn't lost because most crypto users don't place trust in new, centralized tokens which are essentially pure speculation, and would rather trust in bitcoin.

In my opinion, the first mover advantage in the sense of decentralized currencies is much more important compared to companies. Anyone can copy the code used by bitcoin and create their own project, but that doesn't mean that there would any demand for it. What matters is still the community behind it, adoption, as well as how much real life acceptance a coin has got, in which bitcoin all have the sole advantage.
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It can happen but there it has to be a lot of bad reputation, bad news, scams, hacks... In some countries Pepsi is number 1 now and coke number 2 Huh

Hard to relate the typical scams and hacks to Bitcoin though. To my knowledge, the Bitcoin network has never successfully been hacked, and all of the "scams" have been third parties taking advantage of the uneducated. All of the hacks that people hear about in the media have for the most part, been exchanges and wallet services/software.

I suppose the bad reputation and bad "news" has been and IS being consistently pushed by media outlets that relate the success of Bitcoin to its market value.
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Right now many cryptocurrency like bitcoin. Mineable, decentralized and more feature than bitcoin. But i think bitcoin still dominate in cryptocurrency market because its pioneer in crypto. Maybe bitcoin obselete in technology than others crypto but bitcoin still valuable than others because people trust on bitcoin
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the advantage of bitcoin has never been the "first mover" thing at all. in fact bitcoin is not even the first of its kind! the advantage has always been that bitcoin is working as it should because it is designed with those purposes (decentralization, being a currency, being permissionless,...) in mind.
meanwhile the competition which you think is competition has mostly been created with money making purposes in mind which is why there has never been any serious competition apart from pumpers that come close and then fall down to oblivion.

Very fair points, and it's definitely what I've/we've seen over the last year alone in massive amounts- companies with clear monetary interests over all else. Bitcoin has held its dominance since inception. I suppose it's easy to market something as, The Next Bitcoin! Thanks for sharing.

this has actually been happening for a long time!
there has been at least about 100 major altcoins that have been advertised as "the next bitcoin" in the past years. each time they get some pumps, rise in value and as they do the pumpers start dumping them and take their profit out because they know that none of them have any real potential to keep the price up.
something like that can not compete with bitcoin! let alone take its place.
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In some countries Pepsi is number 1 now and coke number 2 Huh

It's still not number 1 after over 100 years of trying...

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It can happen but there it has to be a lot of bad reputation, bad news, scams, hacks... In some countries Pepsi is number 1 now and coke number 2 Huh
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for UTILITY purposes. you just have to make another coin more acceptable by merchants/customers by slowing offering an alternative and then cutting down on bitcoin acceptance

What about the trust and security?  Roll Eyes

It's assumed the bitcoin holders are going to not only trust but make the effort to adopt this new coin huh.

Will it be decentralized and more secure somehow?

Will a better development team in cryptography somehow just pop up out of nowhere?

The best developers in that space are in bitcoin. Then it can be argued over the top 20 alts (none that "compete" with bitcoin) who the "best" developers in CRYPTOGRAPHIC development protocols are.

The best developers in this space can't be hired for less than $1mil a year. It is slim pickings for a project to start something new and innovative that will somehow disrupt bitcoin.

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How could new companies/projects render Bitcoin obsolete?
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The projects basically needs to beat bitcoin in the categories it is good at:

Decentralization: Bitcoin is simply far more decentralized compared to most, if not all projects. The fact that bitcoin doesn't even have a CEO and an "official" team, hence there isn't a single point of failure, is a big factor that's often overlooked.
I like this ideology the most, out of all. The fact that Satoshi is completely unknown- the fact that there couldn't be a better figure (or lack thereof) to represent a true and decentralized project.. it's enormous. You can see the level of unrelenting heroism that people see, and cult-like respect for certain project leaders (like Vitalik Buterin for Ethereum) and the amount of power they hold in their word regarding the project(s) they've created..

Do you think it's possible? Very likely? I'd love to hear opinions and insights.

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Of course. It's definitely not impossible for someone to create a better technology that can beat bitcoin in most categories. Though it's definitely quite unlikely in the near future; simply because bitcoin is far ahead over most if not all cryptocurrencies that has the same goal as bitcoin.

Fair enough. Are there any certain companies that you visualize doing this? Amazon? Facebook? Any particular traditional tech giant? With Bitcoin being open source, do you think that these companies are just waiting for the right moment to utilize the code that developers before them have created in order to build something better, in an easier fashion?

AMAZON is NSA, GOOGLE is NSA ( putin said so ), Ali-Baba is CP, Jack-Ma who owns baba owns all the mining asic and mining hw companys in china, Bezo's of AMZN is tight with Jack-Ma,

BITCOIN is NSA 100%,

The blue-pill in the matrix is to make you think that bitcoin comes from the people, the red-pill says that BITCOIN is owned and controlled by NSA/CIA/CP, and all under the umbrella of BIS.

Facebooks job is to put 'social credit scores' on everybody on the earth, where if you don't 'think right', then no shopping for you. No travel,  china has already implemented this and its coming to USA and west.

BITMAIN now makes more AI chip camera video scanners than they do miners, these cameras can determine your face and your gait whether your a good or bad person, NSA/CIA has long had cameras cataloging people by the way they walk (gait), in actuality CP ( chinese-party ), and Deep-State (cia/nsa) have the same owners, BIS ( bank of international settlements ) switzerland. People who financed both WW2 hitler to power & Mao (CP).

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the advantage of bitcoin has never been the "first mover" thing at all. in fact bitcoin is not even the first of its kind! the advantage has always been that bitcoin is working as it should because it is designed with those purposes (decentralization, being a currency, being permissionless,...) in mind.
meanwhile the competition which you think is competition has mostly been created with money making purposes in mind which is why there has never been any serious competition apart from pumpers that come close and then fall down to oblivion.

Very fair points, and it's definitely what I've/we've seen over the last year alone in massive amounts- companies with clear monetary interests over all else. Bitcoin has held its dominance since inception. I suppose it's easy to market something as, The Next Bitcoin! Thanks for sharing.

For bitcoin to become "antiquated", another cryptocurrency needs to come up with better fundamentals. The fundamentals of Bitcoin are:
1. A solid, constantly evolving codebase and team.
2. Proof of Work.

It can be argued that over time, Proof of Work has created mining centralization. The biggest mining equipment manufacturers, miners as well as cheap providers of Hydroelectricity are in China. Even then, the economic incentive for honest mining is too high for miners to go against their self-interest. In a way, any system can be gamed. What is clear from evidence is that PoW is the one which is hardest/ costliest to game, especially when established with a network effect of Bitcoin's scale. Can someone come up with a better consensus mechanism? Or is there a better one? Hard to say for future but looking at how Nano and IOTA have devolved, it can be said safely that PoW is not getting trumped anytime soon.

The other most important thing is the entities behind the codebase. It is often argued that the reference implementation is too guarded and rights are concentrated within an elite circle. But then, every other alternate cryptocurrency will have a team behind it. Can those teams be trusted more than the group behind Bitcoin who have established their reputation through timely interventions and commitments over the past 10 years? In my opinion, any other cryptocurrency will find it hard, nearly impossible to create such a trusted team and open-source codebase. (Something with which individuals and institutions can trust their fiat billions).

As long as these factors remain, there is hardly any chance for another cryptocurrency to take away the crown of being the most dependent and usable digital currency. In terms of alternate blockchain uses, well that is a completely different market. Those areas are still open waiting for their own crown-bearers.

This is an excellent answer, and explains in convincing detail how the "antiquated" idea in terms of Bitcoin becoming "obsolete" is extremely minimal in probability, with all of the fundamentals it has created and has built upon. I suppose it's extremely unnecessary for any particular person/company to even attempt to compete with Bitcoin, unless it's for monetary incentives. If not, well, why not just contribute to Bitcoin?

I don't think it will be easy for bitcoin to lose its advantage over any other cryptocurrency. For you to overtake bitcoin in terms of dominance, you need not only improve on technicalities and specifications but also convince people that your coin is far superior and better than bitcoin in all aspects. It's a hard task, considering that this involves a great deal of conditioning the minds of the masses, and we all know that not everyone can easily be swayed by random blabbering by devs and their peers. It is possible to defeat bitcoin in terms of dominance, though in what manner is probably a question that none of us can answer in the mean time.

It seems as though that the ONLY plausible reason for separate companies or person(s) to try and convince the masses that a separate technology/cryptocurrency is better is for their own economic/wealth benefit- and will require a mass amount of marketing. Which is another reason why Bitcoin could remain dominant, as there's not a CEO to hype it up- it's all been an effort of communities much like this, with its own true (and continuing) network effect.
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I don't think it will be easy for bitcoin to lose its advantage over any other cryptocurrency. For you to overtake bitcoin in terms of dominance, you need not only improve on technicalities and specifications but also convince people that your coin is far superior and better than bitcoin in all aspects. It's a hard task, considering that this involves a great deal of conditioning the minds of the masses, and we all know that not everyone can easily be swayed by random blabbering by devs and their peers. It is possible to defeat bitcoin in terms of dominance, though in what manner is probably a question that none of us can answer in the mean time.
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First mover advantage is something that will diminish over time, bitcoin eventually may be a victim of its own success, because you can be sure many of its competitors wouldn't have been able to continue to exist without the success of bitcoin. In time there seems some inevitability that a coin will usurp bitcoin because like all industries, crypto is constantly evolving, not only from the development side but also from the demand from users.
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Fair enough. Are there any certain companies that you visualize doing this? Amazon? Facebook? Any particular traditional tech giant? With Bitcoin being open source, do you think that these companies are just waiting for the right moment to utilize the code that developers before them have created in order to build something better, in an easier fashion?

While I'm not saying it's impossible for some tech giant company to create their own version of bitcoin or some other cryptocurrency, it's probably a bit unlikely. One of the main advantages of bitcoin is it being decentralized. One centralized authority creating their own bitcoin would defeat that purpose.
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How could new companies/projects render Bitcoin obsolete?

The desire is there, for some. Those who think that Bitcoin is a dinosaur, and want it to be an antiquated technology.

Do you think it's possible? Very likely? I'd love to hear opinions and insights.

I don't think it's possible unless someone somehow reworks the blockchain in a way that it keeps all of the advantages of the current system, except scalable, energy efficient, immune to 51% attacks, and completely incompatible with the current Bitcoin. There's also development stalling, but I find that unlikely.

But yeah, as antiquated as Bitcoin may seem, there's really nothing out there that's objectively leaps better. Being a work in progress, it can also always bridge gaps with further development.
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its actually much simpler then people think

most spending happens via merchant services offered by coinbase and bitpay and other shopping cart offering services
as for exchanges. they are just exchanges

for UTILITY purposes. you just have to make another coin more acceptable by merchants/customers by slowing offering an alternative and then cutting down on bitcoin acceptance

EG if coinbase/bitpay stuck with just bitcoin. it would be hard for othr alts to get a chance. but now. its easier

for TRADING purposes. you just have to make another coins tradable withing exchanges, by slowing offering an alternative coins and then slowly cut down on bitcoin acceptance.

EG if exchanges stuck with just bitcoin<>usd. it would be hard for other alts to get a chance but now its easier

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Before any company or Industry can render the bitcoin obsolete it'll have to be in the same line as it,and that's it'll have to be a decentralized/digital cryptocurrency..
For example Samsung definitely cannot render a pizza company obsolete,they both provide different services to their respective customers..

With that being said,is there any cryptocurrency or any digital/decentralized currency that comes close to the bitcoin,be it in price,volume,stability,value etc
You and i know the answer to that and it's a big no..
Thus I doubt the bitcoin/blockchain technology is ever going obsolete...
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I think bitcoin is always going be number 1. It is like coke or Mcdonalds they are the first of their kind forever Cool
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