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legendary
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December 02, 2016, 05:13:10 PM
#11
This is possible but lets face it you don't know that.

You don't know if they will go after everyone.
Coinbase's account history logs aren't a paper notebook and some chicken scratch.
It is meticulous and well put together.
The IRS will not have a hard time sifting through the good practices that Coinbase is currently using.
The IRS handles the entire US population's tax filings.
You really think the Bitcoin community is gonna add that much work for them?
You think they are only going after big fish when I say they are out to make a point.
With the dollar going up and the IRS filing the claim to get Coinbase's records I would say the message is clear.
There is a new sheriff in town and he is not going to put up with any dissent in this country at all.

Regime change is upon us.



lol you do know that even in fiat. many people avoid taxes already. using trusts, offshore etc.
also the 'average/majority' user of coinbase is not the $10k plus user. so although it wont take them long to find the $10k+ users. its not going to be a significant amount of coinbase customers.

only expect a couple % of users to react to this IRS news as personally impacting them.

IRS is not a new sheriff. its the same sheriff it always has been.
its just drama in the end.

those that do use coinbase over $10k will get a letter through the post. whoop-de-doo. and if smart enough they can explain themselves out of how much tax they owe.

in short the IRS is just going to continue on as it has done.. these subpoena's are not some big event. to them its just everyday paperwork. much like writing out a daily memo..
nothing when you look at the big picture has changed
legendary
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December 02, 2016, 04:44:55 PM
#10
The IRS has a hard-on for getting their share of whatever it is you make, be it a lot, a little, a painfully small amount,  or anything else similar to that. They will always want their share of your wealth, and this extends further into Bitcoin.

If anything I'm surprised that the IRS wasn't getting involved sooner, however this is something I expected since we hit the $1,000 mark, and even closer to just $100 to be honest.

I'm surprised that the value isn't going down, seems like people are confident in their ability to hide their wealth, or someone is buying a lot for some reason.

nah..
most dont care.
a majority of people are only buying $10-$1000 bitcoin.. due to the registration requirements of coinbased hardly any are actually spending more than $10k in coinbase. so its not like every customer is going to get an IRS letter.. maybe just 1% of coinbase customers who have not bought bitcoin more professionally when spending more than $10k.

the real smart guys loop their funds through off shore accounts/foundations and corporations before doing anything. so the end result wont be a mass exodus of customers. because as i just explained hardly any are actually using coinbase for such amounts IRS cares for
legendary
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December 02, 2016, 04:19:24 PM
#9
The IRS has a hard-on for getting their share of whatever it is you make, be it a lot, a little, a painfully small amount,  or anything else similar to that. They will always want their share of your wealth, and this extends further into Bitcoin.

If anything I'm surprised that the IRS wasn't getting involved sooner, however this is something I expected since we hit the $1,000 mark, and even closer to just $100 to be honest.

I'm surprised that the value isn't going down, seems like people are confident in their ability to hide their wealth, or someone is buying a lot for some reason.
legendary
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December 02, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
#8
If IRS decides to chase crypto tax evaders, it will be a losing battle because those people would simply move over to monero, zcash and other anonymous coins.
What can IRS do about that?

its not a bitcoin sepecific thing.
same rule applies to any crypto/stock/share/asset/ or even foriegn fiat currency... if you convert it to a fiat that the IRS rules over. expect them to stalk you for it.

also as someone else said

If you start spending lots of bitcoin on goods and services without paying taxes, the IRS would catch you for having a standard of living inconsistent with your income.
It is the same as using cash to evade taxes.
Eventually, IRS will have to move to bitcoin.

yep if they cannot find you via bank records a jealous neighbour will "grass you in" for having a better car then them, but never see you go to work to afford it.

the trick is then to have receipts that the car is leased (NOT OWNED in your name to be towed). paid for from contributions of a foundation (corporate trust fund: again not with your name attached 'personally')
legendary
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December 02, 2016, 02:43:22 PM
#7
The IRS just one of many similar institutions around the world. I wonder how the rest of the world will react. Fight it like drugs and ignore the money flow, or tax it like gambling and alcohol.
hero member
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December 02, 2016, 01:27:47 PM
#6
Will the IRS hijack the Bitcoin moon rocket?

Seems so.

They are a very powerful and respectable agency.

What say you?

Dont see how they can hijack the bitcoin moon train, especially with technologies that are going to appear over the next years that will allow users to completely hide their transactions and holdings,  the IRS have not got a chance.  A new way of working and funding governments is going to have to be found over the next 30 years.
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MERCATOX
December 02, 2016, 01:08:27 PM
#5
If IRS decides to chase crypto tax evaders, it will be a losing battle because those people would simply move over to monero, zcash and other anonymous coins.
What can IRS do about that?
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December 02, 2016, 12:48:42 PM
#4
If you start spending lots of bitcoin on goods and services without paying taxes, the IRS would catch you for having a standard of living inconsistent with your income.
It is the same as using cash to evade taxes.
Eventually, IRS will have to move to bitcoin.
legendary
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December 02, 2016, 11:22:37 AM
#3
The IRS has a job to do, and we have to accept the fact that there are two things that you would never avoid.. Death & Taxes. If you are a

good citizen, you will pay your damn taxes and go on with your life. If you decide to use Bitcoin to avoid taxes, then you deserve to look over

your shoulder every day, because they will hunt you down... to take their cut. I would rather pay the damn taxes and not have to worry, when

they are going to burst through the door to arrest me for tax evasion.  Angry

just having bitcoin is not taxable.
same as holding shares/stocks/assets/'personal trusts'.

whats important is when you CASH OUT(sell asset/shares/bitcoin). you have to declare the FIAT YOU are then holding.

the IRS only care about who WITHDREW FIAT from coinbase (if this topic is about IRS V COINBASE) plus its only about the AMERICAN users (meaning DOLLAR withdrawals)

its not about bitcoin holders or bitcoin holders outside the U.S
legendary
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December 02, 2016, 10:54:12 AM
#2
The IRS has a job to do, and we have to accept the fact that there are two things that you would never avoid.. Death & Taxes. If you are a

good citizen, you will pay your damn taxes and go on with your life. If you decide to use Bitcoin to avoid taxes, then you deserve to look over

your shoulder every day, because they will hunt you down... to take their cut. I would rather pay the damn taxes and not have to worry, when

they are going to burst through the door to arrest me for tax evasion.  Angry
sr. member
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December 02, 2016, 09:15:01 AM
#1
Will the IRS hijack the Bitcoin moon rocket?

Seems so.

They are a very powerful and respectable agency.

What say you?
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