Will China’s $50,000 Quota Matter For Bitcoin After Jan.1? - page 2.

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Quote from: hl5460 on January 02, 2017, 11:44:58 PM

As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

If enough FUD is raised it will effect newbies china and elsewhere...till they figure out otherwise after a bit of time.thus probably price will take a hit...
there will be a backlash of FUD on BTC rise...wait for it...it may just be noise and not really be 'workable' etc...but will effect newbies like panic'd newts and thus
volume and price....there are too many 'vested interests' with money connections for them just to see BTC run over their traditional investments etc without
throwing up a big stink in the press etc

Gonna be like smashing Jello with a hammer ...great fun for the FUD'ers ...but end result is NO Jello to eat.(BTC)..and big mess to clean up ....on top of looking silly doing it
after the fact.

Especially if/when the price continues to rise and such.

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Quote from: hl5460 on January 02, 2017, 11:44:58 PM

As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

Bitcoin is not outside the country, it's everywhere.

This thinking is quite backwards, Bitcoin is a global network that is everywhere. So what if CNY is stored in Brazil for example, is that not allowed as well? It's still CNY right?

So with the same logic, if you have 1 BTC in your wallet in China, the money is still "in China", because you hold it as a chinese guy.

This makes no sense, and government regulation is always nonsense.

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Quote from: Amph on January 03, 2017, 03:24:07 AM

this will actually force their government to take more contorl on bitcoin, if they begin to think that chinese will use bitcoin more

it would lead to more laws for bitcoin thus hidering its adoption, in china, not exactly a good think in my view

There are so many reports on bitcoin these few days in mainstream media.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 03, 2017, 02:19:07 AM

It depends on how these capital controls would influence Bitcoin transactions too. If they regulate fiat to Bitcoin and limit the amounts that can be bought and sold on exchanges, then Bitcoin would not benefit from these changes in the policy. This will in turn force people to buy bitcoins via Black markets and not through regulated exchanges. So it all depends on how the capital controls would be enforced. ^hmmmmm^

it is a matter of time, China will end up banning bitcoin so we must be ready for that day. We must make bitcoin as decentralized as possible (that means supporting Core and segwit) and we must hurry up with the LN and sidechain to guarantee maximun privacy and transaction volumes.
Our hope will be in the black market. Again, only a matter of time until China bans it, they are not going to sit back and see how their money goes away.

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Quote from: valley365 on January 03, 2017, 03:43:58 AM

Quote from: hl5460 on January 02, 2017, 11:44:58 PM

As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

Chinese people will certainly put more money in bitcoin, so to move it around freely. Especially from what I heard a lot of money are from gray income, they evade taxes etc, so they don't want the government to track it.

If you don't want the government to track it, using bitcoins is a poor choice. The best way is to use cash.
Bitcoin leaves a trail and if the government does pick it up, you will be in trouble.

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It all depends and also the Government may enforce certain rules on the Chinese exchanges also and I think it is a good idea that the Government on China sets some limits as we do not want what happened in Greece to happen in China as a result of many of the Rich Greeks not supporting building their nation, but instead chose tax evasion and taking their funds out into Swiss banks. I am afraid many Chinese also thinking to do the same, taking money to Canada and the U.S and Also Europe, this can bleed the country.

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People will rush into bitcoin for money transfer out. The Chinese government may create more regulations for bitcoins, with more controls on money transfers and money laundry.

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China’s authority announced two measures on the last two days of 2016 in an attempt to curb capital outflow. Meanwhile Bitcoin soars to around 7,400 RMB, 600 yuan away from its record high of 8,000 yuan in 2013.

On 30th December, PBOC announced that banks were required to report all yuan-denominated cash transactions exceeding 50,000 yuan ($7,200) to the People’s Bank of China (PBOC). Prior to the change, the threshold was 200,000 yuan. The measure will be effective starting in July 2017. Insurance agencies, insurance brokers, consumer finance companies and loan companies, which are not required to report large and suspicious transactions, are also included in the scope of management. They are required to submit large transactions and suspicious transactions to comply with anti-money laundering obligations.

http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-soars-as-chinas-curbing-capital-outflow

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Quote from: hl5460 on January 02, 2017, 11:44:58 PM

As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

Chinese people will certainly put more money in bitcoin, so to move it around freely. Especially from what I heard a lot of money are from gray income, they evade taxes etc, so they don't want the government to track it.

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Quote from: Xester on January 03, 2017, 12:10:52 AM

Quote from: hl5460 on January 02, 2017, 11:44:58 PM

As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

Yes it will greatly matter. Remember that China has legalized and permitted its citizens to own bitcoin and so many are buying bitcoins both local and foreign. If their qouta will reduced from 50k$ to 10k$ as the article mentioned it will play a huge impact on bitcoins. And so the Chinese buying power to purchase bitcoin will decrease they can no longer hold much bitcoins that way.

In the 2013 document. it says the people has the freedom to trade bitcoin.

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$50,000 is a very significant amount. And if you add in your family members, it will be possible to move as much as $250,000 or $300,000. That is more than enough to purchase residential apartments in the United States or France. But if they lower it to $10K per person, then it will be too low.

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this will actually force their government to take more contorl on bitcoin, if they begin to think that chinese will use bitcoin more

it would lead to more laws for bitcoin thus hidering its adoption, in china, not exactly a good think in my view

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Quote from: hl5460 on January 02, 2017, 11:44:58 PM

As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

This is very good news for Bitcoiners, BTC holders and investors. Any form of government intervention in its citizen's money matters and an imposition of some control is a good thing for a currency that is designed to be resistant to censorship and centralized control. We should be having a New Year's party with that news right now.

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well, bitcoin has always been the best option for transferring very large amounts of money specially to outside of one's country. and things like this can make people wanting to transfer that kind of money more interested in using bitcoin but there are some problems.

for example someone who is working with fiat, wants fiat for his trades and buying bitcoin, transferring bitcoin to convert to fiat on the other end will cost a lot more.

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Quote from: hl5460 on January 02, 2017, 11:44:58 PM

As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

It is very likely. It is perhaps one of the reasons that we see a continued increase in the price of bitcoin but and for some alt-coins too. If also apply what article writes about $10000 quotas to my point of view is almost certain any further increase of bitcoin's price.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 03, 2017, 02:19:07 AM

It depends on how these capital controls would influence Bitcoin transactions too. If they regulate fiat to Bitcoin and limit the amounts that can be bought and sold on exchanges, then Bitcoin would not benefit from these changes in the policy. This will in turn force people to buy bitcoins via Black markets and not through regulated exchanges. So it all depends on how the capital controls would be enforced. ^hmmmmm^

Ya it is true, because this control is just like they are having control over fiat currency transaction in bank, so i think now China government want to control bitcoin just like bank and this is not good for Bitcoin users. It will really make users to use bitcoin now unofficially to have high transaction.

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It depends on how these capital controls would influence Bitcoin transactions too. If they regulate fiat to Bitcoin and limit the amounts that can be bought and sold on exchanges, then Bitcoin would not benefit from these changes in the policy. This will in turn force people to buy bitcoins via Black markets and not through regulated exchanges. So it all depends on how the capital controls would be enforced. ^hmmmmm^

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Quote from: hl5460 on January 02, 2017, 11:44:58 PM

As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

Yes it will greatly matter. Remember that China has legalized and permitted its citizens to own bitcoin and so many are buying bitcoins both local and foreign. If their qouta will reduced from 50k$ to 10k$ as the article mentioned it will play a huge impact on bitcoins. And so the Chinese buying power to purchase bitcoin will decrease they can no longer hold much bitcoins that way.

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As the first day of January 2017 approaches, concerns that the yuan will likely depreciate further in the coming year because of the Chinese government’s enforced capital control may force more users seeking to move money out of the country to Bitcoin.

January 1 is when the yearly $50,000 limit that the Chinese government permits citizens as the amount of money individuals can move out of the country in a year comes to effect. This measure enables many Chinese to pull their money out of China.

http://news.8btc.com/will-chinas-50000-quota-matter-for-bitcoin-after-jan-1

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