Will circular economy work ? - page 2.

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Quote from: shield132 on October 19, 2021, 04:17:57 PM

It should work and it's better for the society in overall. Imagine: Instead of paying high price in new, you buy old in cheap price and make a new one out of it. Imagine if you could upgrade old PC components via recycling them instead of buying new ones every time, this is the case here. It's not only good for the nature but it can be cost effective for the business, it can meet the high demand and increase the supply.
We will adopt the circular economy. As time goes, the things change and this is the new thing that will come up in near future

I guess it's becoming popular in Western Europe?

on the other hand, it would be very good to see that civilization currently uses a lot of waste items which ultimately cannot be decomposed by nature which makes the world less good to live in because of various pollutions and wastes that exist in some places.
but on the other hand this will also be one of the difficult things, especially in recycling because we know goods that have been used automatically their durability and function will decrease and this is something that must be thought about properly what can be used and make the economy This circular is liked by many people.

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Quote from: shield132 on October 19, 2021, 04:17:57 PM

It should work and it's better for the society in overall. Imagine: Instead of paying high price in new, you buy old in cheap price and make a new one out of it. Imagine if you could upgrade old PC components via recycling them instead of buying new ones every time, this is the case here. It's not only good for the nature but it can be cost effective for the business, it can meet the high demand and increase the supply.
We will adopt the circular economy. As time goes, the things change and this is the new thing that will come up in near future

I guess it's becoming popular in Western Europe?

Not sure about using the recycling part, it'll go through many process and I don't think you'd be able to get 100% of the material back for your PC. I think something more like getting a discount is more possible. For example in my country there used to be "trade-in" for phones where you give the store your old phone when buying a new one and you get a discount.

I believe they'd base this on how much they'd earn selling the old phone to the recyclers but not sure since never availed of it. I don't think shops here do this now since several times I've had to buy a phone, no one gave me the offer. So all my old phones are in boxes. Grin

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Quote from: Stedsm on October 19, 2021, 02:18:45 PM

I'm biased on this because if the wastage is to be lessened, then it's good but it will work or not will completely depend upon the quality of the products that are being shared or sold ahead. If the quality of refurbished products isn't good, just the way I mostly see bad reviews of people buying expensive smartphones whose costs are cut down due to them being sold as refurbished products but still people are not satisfied, then this economy will turn out to be a huge failure.

All said in just one instance. You know, as much as the rest of the world would always have a strong stand point and supportive behaviour with having products recycled, the resulting outcome must be of good quality too. On a scale of 1-10, it should be at least a 9 to a certain for it being good otherwise, it would be the same garbage all along and we might result to producing just the same waste we hope to avoid. What the is the point of recycling if it is bad? It doesn't doesn't much sense.

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If consumers support right to repair trends, they may need to do a better job being informed and voting with their wallets. Or negative trends could easily become normalized due to lack of resistance.

I am in agreement with this as, lack of resistance and alternatives is what creates monopoly and a monopolistic market isn't good for anyone. It puts consumers in a state where the will is hindered and the manufacturers exercise a direct control on what goes and don't which always doesn't help so much.

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Quote from: spy100 on October 19, 2021, 02:00:42 PM

Will circular economy work ?

The circular economy is a model of production and consumption, which involves sharing, leasing, reusing, repairing, refurbishing and recycling existing materials and products as long as possible. In this way, the life cycle of products is extended.

In practice, it implies reducing waste to a minimum....
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/economy/20151201STO05603/circular-economy-definition-importance-and-benefits

It better work, as it's probably our only hope. It also seems like the right thing to do because reusing and minimizing waste is definitely better than blind consumerism. Of course, not everything can be reused, and there are areas where it can be a health risk (reusable syringes are a health risk, reusable condoms are a bad idea, many medical things require single-use plastic for proper sterile conditions), but where possible, we should stick to reusing stuff and opting for long-lasting quality over cheaper but short-lasting products. People love the idea of recycling, but lately it's been discussed that this should be one of our last resorts because recycling is often difficult, and it shouldn't encourage people to use tons of 'recyclable' single-use stuff.
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It will work if government is serious about its implementation but if the products are being used again and again then company will not make profits so this will results into revenue loss for the government so they are not going to implement it completely. Already we are recycling lot of products but just for the sake of doing it not to save the environment as well as consumer satisfaction.

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Quote from: Ucy on October 22, 2021, 05:17:48 AM

In regards to paying people to pick up trash, I think you could do that in a way that does not encourage them to throw away trash in order to recieve more payments. I won't be surprised if those you pay to pick trash, secretly trash a clean place in order to get more payments. Maybe they should be rewarded more (not necessarily with money) if they are able to maintain the cleanliness or prevent people from littering the streets at all.

If everywhere remains clean and there is no job for them, they could litter the place themselves to continue to recieve rewards.
I'm not sure who deliberately and massively trash a place that was paid for to be cleaned. Sometimes I suspect it's those you paid to clean it up because one of them always comes by to ask that he gets the place cleaned up again. Or it could just be neighbors who are too stingy to pay for trash pickers, or just sadists

They should basically be paid sufficiently if they deserve to paid or if everything is done right.

Nowhere will be perfectly clean at all times, there are trash building constantly in the world at all times. Think of bottles that are used every day, we all drink stuff, not like if you clean all the garbage and all the bottles and cans then suddenly there is no more trash, we will keep on drinking stuff and there will be more bottles to clean, and that is literally just cans and bottles.

Think of all the plastic as well, do you think if you clean every single plastic trash right now, there won't be any new ones tomorrow? This is why there is no reason to trash places and get paid for it, plus the payment doesn't really worth trashing the places, it is only good if it is used and then trashed and then recovered. So all in all you could pay people to pick fast food trash, canned goods trash, bottles, can of soda and so forth all those type of stuff will be more and more everyday, so they could pick up that trash everyday and they will never have zero trash left.

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Quote from: beerlover on October 21, 2021, 10:31:39 AM

When people see these kinds of things, they believe that it has to be done right now and it has to be done 100% and that should be the end of it. What people do not realize is that we could provide a lot more profit to people who recycle and repair and refurbish etc etc, and as people we could see stuff that are not brand new as still okay, then we will be doing fine.

We do not have to change it all, we could simply just do something like a bit more laws that support it, just paying more to people who recycle, paying more to people who pick up trash and put them in right places, all in all just promote this kind of behavior while also allowing brand new stuff as well, keep the world as it is on this part. Basically what I am trying to say is that, this could be an "option" and not forced and it would still be a lot better, it's proven that it would help the world for sure.

In regards to paying people to pick up trash, I think you could do that in a way that does not encourage them to throw away trash in order to recieve more payments. I won't be surprised if those you pay to pick trash, secretly trash a clean place in order to get more payments. Maybe they should be rewarded more (not necessarily with money) if they are able to maintain the cleanliness or prevent people from littering the streets at all.

If everywhere remains clean and there is no job for them, they could litter the place themselves to continue to recieve rewards.
I'm not sure who deliberately and massively trash a place that was paid for to be cleaned. Sometimes I suspect it's those you paid to clean it up because one of them always comes by to ask that he gets the place cleaned up again. Or it could just be neighbors who are too stingy to pay for trash pickers, or just sadists

They should basically be paid sufficiently if they deserve to paid or if everything is done right.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on October 19, 2021, 04:57:48 PM

It cannot be sustainably maintained in ever industry, but it surely can work in many others and can be a good way of reducing waste while reducing the cost if production as the previous waste products would simply be recycled for use again.

It can also help the lower class members of the society as many people own products which could be useful to others, but have no way of reaching out to them, a functional circular economy can connect that bridge and make it much easier.

I think there will be a chain of redistribution of what you don't want anymore for what the immediate need is, more as to say trade by barter. I know there are companies that deal on raw materials and that is just what they do. They employ workers and contract mini companies for their waste and they redistribute the waste to another company who are in need of it. Is a chain and I believe almost every waste is useful for something else. A by product for something will turn out a material for manufacturing other products.

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It definitely is possible and would work if everyone from the production up to the executive sector of things are responsible and willing enough to put in the extra effort of implementing such policies. I have seen structures and models that suppose circular economy would work but all of it included utter cooperation from each of the sector and would have little to no room for slacking off. Unfortunately this also means higher product cost but I would personally be willing to pay extra if such processes result into us securing a safer future for our children.

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Well, I think we're already somewhat using that kind of system around the mord, if I recall, Japan has their sinks near the toilets so they're able to recycle the water from the sinks to be used for flushing their toilets which saves them billions of money a year for water treatment, and water consumption. It's difficult to do recycling at every level of a product, some stops at the first level and then it's a total waste.

These are just micro circular economies but nonetheless show that it will definitely work if everyone within the system of production and consumption cooperated. Japan is blessed enough to have traditions based on discipline and honor which made it easier for such policies other countries would think of as strict to be implemented with little to no issue or outcry from the public. Total Recycling is also an issue because only a very small percentage of our wastes gets recycled so unless we do something about that, it wouldn't work for the rest of the planet

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When people see these kinds of things, they believe that it has to be done right now and it has to be done 100% and that should be the end of it. What people do not realize is that we could provide a lot more profit to people who recycle and repair and refurbish etc etc, and as people we could see stuff that are not brand new as still okay, then we will be doing fine.

We do not have to change it all, we could simply just do something like a bit more laws that support it, just paying more to people who recycle, paying more to people who pick up trash and put them in right places, all in all just promote this kind of behavior while also allowing brand new stuff as well, keep the world as it is on this part. Basically what I am trying to say is that, this could be an "option" and not forced and it would still be a lot better, it's proven that it would help the world for sure.

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It is quite a good idea as it is going to be helping to reduce the rate of waste products in our environments. I have seen some people already saying that it wouldn’t be a good idea in some cases, for example: refurbishing of products such as smart phone reduces their quality.

Well, in this case I think if a refurbished phone is refurbished by the same company that owns that product it would still be as good as new, take for example, an Apple iPhone that’s refurbished by Apple itself would be as good as new or at least close to that, than when it is refurbished by just some random company that’s not owned by Apple itself. So this circular economy really makes sense, and if it can be applied properly, it would be good.

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The circular economy is definitely going to work. It's not only sustainable but at the same time it's less pricey as well. But the whole idea 💡 is quite strange to some people and therefore they don't usually use it on a practical basis.

Well we did learn a couple of things in the Environmental class when we were kids :
Recycle
Reuse
Reduce
The three R's

But these things applies to a narrow range of products and it's essential to teach the general public and the people as well, the importance of them which would not only be beneficial for them but for the environment as well since we are right now at the borderline and we have to change the way we live or else the whole environment would be destroyed beyond repair.

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Çircular economy is effective until it gives the best out of the process. Right now almost every product is on the circular economy. This fails when the production cost goes high when made out of recycled process, whereas it have the same quality and costs less when produced out of the raw material.

The world suffering out of improper waste management. An example is the clothes manufacturing. Once after the minimal usage it is moved to African countries from Europe. Here the best is taken by the people and the rest were thrown directly as bundles. This makes a big garbage and serves as a big hazardous landfills.

Source : Decolonising Fashion

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Quote from: spy100 on October 19, 2021, 02:00:42 PM

Will circular economy work ?

The circular economy is a model of production and consumption, which involves sharing, leasing, reusing, repairing, refurbishing and recycling existing materials and products as long as possible. In this way, the life cycle of products is extended.

In practice, it implies reducing waste to a minimum....
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/economy/20151201STO05603/circular-economy-definition-importance-and-benefits

For me, it will possibly work, this could help minimize wastage. Maybe some other people won't use this for their own safety purposes. When using this, we must have to make sure that the former owner didn't misuse the product in a way that it will cause harm to you or else to others. Before using it, you must have to make sure that it was safe and it all clean. But, I guess not all are using this because they are afraid of their safety issues.

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I am not sure in what world I am? Isnt all these things are already happening? We do recycle, refurbish and do follow all the re-usable practices all the time since tech has gone far. I mean whether it simple waste or is it a iphone everything is reused these days. More and more economist and environmentalist are active as compared to the previous decade or so. They are very careful about the nature also. In the process most of the things are getting reused wherever possible.

Whether this is out of economical living or out of natures pride, things are as stated in the OP only. They are being re-invented for the newer usage. I think this is going on since long now and we might actually seeing the circular economy itself?

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The circular economy isn't really "circular". Its part of the ESG jargon like sustainability, life-cycle management etc. All it aims for is to reduce wastage as much as possible and re-use materials in manufacturing process.

With all the recent push towards renewables, electric vehicles, hydrogen vehicles, a whole set of novel manufacturing practices will start. The planners and thinkers want it to start with the notion of minimum wastage and maximum re-use. Unlike the industrial revolution or the 20th century, the planet no longer has the luxury of being unexplored and virgin. We have consumed everything to the brink and have hurt ecosystems, flora-fauna, polar caps, permafrost etc. etc. We can no longer be cavalier with the way we produce and consume.

This concept of waste management in such a way that material are re-used is thus a necessary requirement for the industries of tomorrow. And yes, it can work. The question is whether corporations are willing to put the investments to enable such re-use and whether consumers are willing to temper their consumption habits accordingly.

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IMHO it cannot replace fully a non-circular economy. There is a law that says that "entropy can only grow on a closed system" - so it would never be perfectly circular in any case. There is case to have an economy "as circular as possible", the problem being that, as of now, it is cheaper not to. Sustainability in general has to be incentivised artificially by, for example, introducing taxes and rights to the carbon emissions.

If you want to refurb, repair, etc... you would need to introduce heavier taxes for not doing it. The problem is that would depress the economy, which is something no govmnt. likes.

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Quote from: spy100 on October 19, 2021, 02:00:42 PM

The circular economy is a model of production and consumption, which involves sharing, leasing, reusing, repairing, refurbishing and recycling existing materials and products as long as possible.

It all comes down to "right to repair". Open source software vs proprietary closed source code. DMCA allowances for reverse engineering software and technology for credible purposes. The degree to which markets are centralized, consolidated and monopolized to influence quality control. And similar topics.

Its easy to say automobiles should be repairable by customers, for purely ideological reasons related to a "circular economy" (would sustainable economy or a right to repair economy be more suitable terms perhaps?). Until one realizes special OBDII computer hardware is often necessary to run diagnostics on modern cars and trucks. Without which, the average person could not interface with electronics to troubleshoot issues.

Farmers have recently had issues with tractors being difficult to repair. Modern manufacturers often place obstructions to their products being field maintainable or repairable.

If consumers support right to repair trends, they may need to do a better job being informed and voting with their wallets. Or negative trends could easily become normalized due to lack of resistance.

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For me, it will work. This is because from the Producer to the consumer there is a lot of stages embedded in this which actually be a good one for the economy in the long run eventually. Like we are thought in Economics then that the producer gets man labor from the consumer which in turn buys from the producer and all

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Quote from: spy100 on October 19, 2021, 02:00:42 PM

Will circular economy work ?

The circular economy is a model of production and consumption, which involves sharing, leasing, reusing, repairing, refurbishing and recycling existing materials and products as long as possible. In this way, the life cycle of products is extended.

In practice, it implies reducing waste to a minimum....
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/economy/20151201STO05603/circular-economy-definition-importance-and-benefits

Ofcourse, that could minimize wastage but you have to be really humble and prudent to be able to reuse things in that manner. Lots of people don't really like used things probably for the wrong reasons. The only acceptable reason why you may need to avoid certain used things is safety issues. You would need to make sure that former owner didn't misuse a product in a way that it becomes harmful to you and others. So, you have to be sure it's clean/safe before use.

I actually like that kind of economy alot but it needs to be done the right way to avoid problems. Shared things will need strict rules to avoid misuse/abuse and to ensure that something is in proper shape before it's transfered to the next user.
I really like how a gentleman who deals on used vehicles treat them before resell. Probably a standard set by the country (I guess UK) he's from. Guess a vehicle has to pass certain safety checks before they can be sold in the country.

I also prefer things to be built for multiple purposes not just one or few purposes. That should help curtail the number of product a user has to buy to take care of important needs

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