Will Coinbase be Americas Major Exchange? - page 3.

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Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:32:47 PM

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-unique-addresses - around of 150K unique address used

That's 150k unique addresses per day. Either way there is very little information about the number of users that you can infer from the number of addresses -- now that most wallets create a new address for every transaction.

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a simple fact that would take coinbase has a major exchange in the usa, backed by the nyse with 106 million.

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I love Coinbase and it's really awesome that they're now the first regulated Bitcoin exchange in the US. I think this announcement might have something to do with BTC price surge atm.
This is definitely a great to start 2015

Even though it'll probably be a while before they open up to the rest of the world.

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you over estimate the BTC market and that report is very clear.

https://bitscan.com/bitnews/item/how-many-people-really-own-bitcoins-and-why-does-it-matter

and take a look again over the numbers : https://blockchain.info/charts

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Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:56:28 PM

I doubt that it's x 4 more BTC real users since a year ago. Remember that MTGox failed in 2014 and China banned Bitcoin and many BTC users gone.
around of 150K unique address used = it doesn't even mean real users. someone can send BTC to himself (from one account to another).

Actually, it does mean that exactly , that is why they break down total wallets being 2.2 million and users 1.9 million to account for multiple wallets.
You realize coinbase forces KYC on clients, right? You realize that many btc users have gifted people with changtip and coinbase even if they aren't interested in bitcoin and many accept it(cannot hurt) and setup an account to hold onto it for the future, right?

Many of us "Bitcoin nuts" or early adopters have gifted 50-200 friend and family members each and we see how many setup the account and accept the gift because it gets returned to us otherwise. 80% of my coinbase gifts have been accepted and 20% of my changetip gifts get accepted.
Whether these people sit on BTC for a rainy day or immediately retip or spend it they are all users!

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on January 25, 2015, 07:37:50 PM

Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:32:47 PM

FACTS :
https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions - around of 90K transactions per day

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-unique-addresses - around of 150K unique address used

https://bitscan.com/bitnews/item/how-many-people-really-own-bitcoins-and-why-does-it-matter - a nice analyze

First 2 links don't prove anything as unique addresses are always in flux and don't represent all the off the chain transactions.
Last link contradicts what you stated and is an article dated back in Feb 2014.

Coinbase follows KYC(2.2 million wallets and 1.9 million unique users) and users almost all exclusively in the US. This is why I didn't add up coinbase + circle+ blockchain+ ect....
My 4-5 million estimate is extremely conservative. Realistically, there are probably 7-8 unique million users now worldwide.

Are you suggesting Coinbase is lying about those unique users? Do you really think those 37 VC companies didn't do their due
diligence before investing 106 million in coinbase?

I doubt that it's x 4 more BTC real users since a year ago. Remember that MTGox failed in 2014 and China banned Bitcoin and many BTC users gone.
around of 150K unique address used = it doesn't even mean real users. someone can send BTC to himself (from one account to another).

I am suggesting that Coinbase has shareholders that 99% from the BTC community blamed a while ago. Also, I am suggesting that those "sharks" are not investing without thinking to profit.

Let's remember that many these "investors" own +80% from BTC.

They own Bitstamp, BTC China, Coinbase

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Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:32:47 PM

FACTS :
https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions - around of 90K transactions per day

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-unique-addresses - around of 150K unique address used

https://bitscan.com/bitnews/item/how-many-people-really-own-bitcoins-and-why-does-it-matter - a nice analyze

First 2 links don't prove anything as unique addresses are always in flux and don't represent all the off the chain transactions.
Last link contradicts what you stated and is an article dated back in Feb 2014.

Coinbase follows KYC(2.2 million wallets and 1.9 million unique users) and users almost all exclusively in the US. This is why I didn't add up coinbase + circle+ blockchain+ ect....
My 4-5 million estimate is extremely conservative. Realistically, there are probably 7-8 unique million users now worldwide.

Are you suggesting Coinbase is lying about those unique users? Do you really think those 37 VC companies didn't do their due
diligence before investing 106 million in coinbase?

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on January 25, 2015, 07:23:11 PM

Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:17:55 PM

Let's get real. Bitcoin has around of 600K real users now, approx 150K of them are trading.

What are the chances for ALT coins? Only if the people will migrate from BTC to ALT coin.

I agree that alts don't have much of a chance... are you arguing with yourself?
https://www.coinbase.com/about

Coinbase has 2.2million wallets and 1.9million unique users(They follow KYC) and they just started to expand outside the US.
This would indicate a very conservative estimate of 4-5 million BTC users worldwide because the chinese have invested
more than Americans.

Where are you getting your "facts" from?

These companies like Coinbase, Blockchain and other can report billions of wallets. Maybe it is true or maybe it is not. Let's not forget that most of the BTC users have more than one wallet.

FACTS :
https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions - around of 90K transactions per day

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-unique-addresses - around of 150K unique address used

https://bitscan.com/bitnews/item/how-many-people-really-own-bitcoins-and-why-does-it-matter - a nice analyze

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Quote from: darkphantom934 on January 25, 2015, 07:17:40 PM

I think Coinbase is already America's major exchange. I have yet to find an exchange that is even close in design, usability, and security.

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Well, it isn't an exchange yet. That will happen tomorrow. It is important to understand the difference. At an exchange, buyers and sellers are competing for the best price. At Coinbase, they set the price to whatever they want and it won't be the best price for you. I'm glad that Circle appeared because the competition is forcing Coinbase to give its customers better prices.

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Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:17:55 PM

Let's get real. Bitcoin has around of 600K real users now, approx 150K of them are trading.

What are the chances for ALT coins? Only if the people will migrate from BTC to ALT coin.

I agree that alts don't have much of a chance... are you arguing with yourself?
https://www.coinbase.com/about

Coinbase has 2.2million wallets and 1.9million unique users(They follow KYC) and they just started to expand outside the US.
This would indicate a very conservative estimate of 4-5 million BTC users worldwide because the chinese have invested
more than Americans.

Where are you getting your "facts" from?

Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:17:55 PM

same shit, same regulations. what I am trying to say is that BTC is/was based on the libertarian philosophy which is saying " Economic liberalism, keep, and exchange their holdings , no gov interference, etc...

Yes, and.... go ahead and finish your thought. You do realize that bitcoin is a decentralized open source protocol, and despite any anarchistic qualities it can have a "big umbrella" of various users with different interests, right? There are no gatekeeper telling Kim Jong un or Obama that they can't benefit from bitcoin. Bitcoin as a superior technology can compete regardless of how people feel about its origins.

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on January 25, 2015, 07:14:14 PM

Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:08:19 PM

i have a question for the hard core BTC community.

you fight/fought for freedom, no Federal Reserve, no Gov, no IRS, no regulations just freedom, no corporations.

many of you are excited that a company will be licensed in some States.

Licensed means that will require you a LOT of papers and you will reported to IRS for sure. Coinbase will not be different than any other broker/forex from USA.

Coinbase's shareholders are "sharks" that you hated a while ago and you blamed them.

Also, many of you want/wanted DE-centralized exchanges. Why don't you use them? Why don't you create new ones?

A licensed exchange is surely a centralized one.

Why are you so excited about that? Where is your libertarian philosophy?

We continue to use and work on decentralized exchanges /wallets like openbazaar/darkwallet/lighthouse and welcome well regulated exchanges like coinbase which act as stepping stones for those that need to slowly start to transition into crypto-currencies.

Some of us are fine with pragmatic and a realistic evolution into a more peaceful society and don't have any delusions that it will happen overnight.

Realistic and pragmatic, what difference will be between Paypal and Coinbase?

same shit, same regulations. what I am trying to say is that BTC is/was based on the libertarian philosophy which is saying " Economic liberalism, keep, and exchange their holdings , no gov interference, etc...

Let's get real. Bitcoin has around of 600K real users now, approx 150K of them are trading.

What are the chances for ALT coins? Only if the people will migrate from BTC to ALT coin.

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I think Coinbase is already America's major exchange. I have yet to find an exchange that is even close in design, usability, and security.

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Quote from: mayax on January 25, 2015, 07:08:19 PM

i have a question for the hard core BTC community.

you fight/fought for freedom, no Federal Reserve, no Gov, no IRS, no regulations just freedom, no corporations.

many of you are excited that a company will be licensed in some States.

Licensed means that will require you a LOT of papers and you will reported to IRS for sure. Coinbase will not be different than any other broker/forex from USA.

Coinbase's shareholders are "sharks" that you hated a while ago and you blamed them.

Also, many of you want/wanted DE-centralized exchanges. Why don't you use them? Why don't you create new ones?

A licensed exchange is surely a centralized one.

Why are you so excited about that? Where is your libertarian philosophy?

We continue to use and work on decentralized exchanges /wallets like openbazaar/darkwallet/lighthouse and welcome well regulated exchanges like coinbase which act as stepping stones for those that need to slowly start to transition into crypto-currencies.

Some of us are fine with pragmatic and a realistic evolution into a more peaceful society and don't have any delusions that it will happen overnight.

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Quote from: Geenstijl on January 25, 2015, 06:57:01 PM

Coinbase is good for Bitcoin. The greedy investors behind it, who demand high returns on their investments, are not really that good...

The 439 million in VC money flowing into Bitcoin companies and their greedy investors will insure the following:

1) Bitcoin will be their priority and they will do everything in their power to make sure regulations don't hurt their profits and Bitcoin remains legal

Good for Bitcoin , Very bad for alts (Has their been any VC capital going into any alts besides a small amount to Ripple?)

2) Bitcoin will go mainstream and will likely start becoming a normal asset class like gold that investors dip into

Very good for bitcoin price.

3) Bitcoin may start to become more regulated and centralized

Good and bad for bitcoin ... but I don't think those regulators realize how difficult that may be when a bulk of the purseholders and developers are libertarian leaning to full on anarchists.

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i have a question for the hard core BTC community.

you fight/fought for freedom, no Federal Reserve, no Gov, no IRS, no regulations just freedom, no corporations.

many of you are excited that a company will be licensed in some States.

Licensed means that will require you a LOT of papers and you will reported to IRS for sure. YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES FOR YOUR INCOME FROM BTC TRADING !

Coinbase will not be different than any other broker/forex from USA. You better use a normal broker or forex than using Coinbase for BTC trading.

Coinbase's shareholders are "sharks" (they are ex-bankers) that you hated a while ago and you blamed them. They will earn A LOT of money and you will pay taxes.

Also, many of you want/wanted DE-centralized exchanges. Why don't you use them? Why don't you create new ones?

A licensed exchange is surely a centralized one.

Why are you so excited about that? Where is your libertarian philosophy?

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Coinbase is good for Bitcoin. The greedy investors behind it, who demand high returns on their investments, are not really that good...

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Quote from: accord01 on December 12, 2013, 07:33:47 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3903735

coinbase is not an exchange. They are a shady version of paypal in the bitcoin community.

have you solved the problem with them?

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CoinBase is great for those who have no issue with extensive KYC. for me, as a business owner, I have no issue doing Docs as they are just one of many players in my day to day that would ask.

If they added some level of exchange or at least a limited time wallet ( Load USD for 30 days -> use , return diff ) or something, that alone would be great, as I could then pay more staff with BTC with far more ease.

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Quote from: halfawake on December 13, 2013, 03:27:43 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if they do. I've seen a lot of people give them flack on this forum, but I had a good experience with personally. Though I only bought once, so I don't have a ton of Coinbase experience. But from what I've been able to tell, it's certainly the easiest way to buy bitcoins in the United States right now, though certainly not the quickest.

And I think accord01 is right - you can buy bitcoins from Coinbase, but they aren't really an exchange like btc-e or bitstamp. I do like Coinbase, personally, but they're a fairly expensive way to buy bitcoins because of their 1% fees compared to the exchanges. I didn't mind that back when the price was $100, but now that it's over $900, if I end up buying more, I'll probably be buying them from btc-e.

Passive Bitcoiners love giving flack.

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Quote from: sherbyspark on January 25, 2015, 06:37:01 PM

Just saw this thread .Wasn't aware they had a 31 million funding before as well.
Doesn't this take their funding to a 100 million ?

http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-secures-approval-launch-regulated-us-bitcoin-exchange/

Over 106 million. Venture capital has valued coinbase at over 400 million at the moment.

https://angel.co/coinbase
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/coinbase

http://fortune.com/2015/01/20/coinbase-raises-75-million-in-largest-ever-vc-round-for-bitcoin-company/

All Current Team
Funding Rounds (4) - $106.7M
Update

   $75M / Series C
   Jan 20, 2015
   Investors:
   BBVA Ventures
   New York Stock Exchange (NYSE)
   Ribbit Capital
   Union Square Ventures
   Andreessen Horowitz
   USAA
   See More (7)

   $25M / Series B
   Dec 12, 2013
   Investors:
   QueensBridge Venture Partners
   Anthony Saleh
   Nasir "Nas" Jones
   Andreessen Horowitz
   Union Square Ventures
   Ribbit Capital

$6.1M / Series A
   May 7, 2013
   Investors:
   Bobby Goodlatte
   Ribbit Capital
   Union Square Ventures
   Red Swan Ventures
   SV Angel
   Interplay Ventures
   See More (7)

$600k / Seed
   Sep 12, 2012
   Investors:
   Alexis Ohanian
   Y Combinator
   Greg Kidd
   FundersClub
   Garry Tan

P.s... notice how real companies like coinbase can disclose their 100+ million venture capital investments and scams like paybase/GAW have to hide behind supposed NDA's for their "100 million " in VC capital.

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