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July 31, 2024, 04:07:03 PM
#48
yes if we involve Solana in the discussion and compare with Ethereum of course Solana is much better, and today it is more widely used, and yes some congestion problems on the solana network just need to be fixed and fixed that I think ETH will be overtaken by SOL rather than ETH catching up with BTC, even though ETH is considered a bluechip in the crypto market but indeed the technology has begun to be disrupted by much better competitors.

True, currently Solana (SOL) has about $83B and Ethereum (ETH) has almost $400B, although almost 5x multiples, but it makes more sense that Solana will catch up to Ethereum than Ethereum chasing Bitcoin (BTC) which has a lower multiplier from the MC side.

From the marketcap it is more likely for SOL to chase ETH, rather than ETH chasing BTC's marketcap, but apart from that some people trust BTC more as a place where they keep their money than ETH in the crypto market, because it is like the ultimate goal of the investment journey in altcoins.

I've heard some great people in this industry, they play and invest in altcoins then when they have made a big profit from altcoins they will save it in bitcoin and that's how they survive the bad hall and full of altcoin risks, therefore bitcoin will never be passed by any coin, except in the previous few cycles it was beaten by XRP in terms of marketcap.
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July 31, 2024, 03:56:48 PM
#47
catch up in what term?

if what you mean is Ethereum will even break bitcoin price and capitalization then I think will never come .

Bitcoin is bitcoin , and ethereum will be always ethereum (the second coin)

Exactly. By "second coin", do you mean ETH will always be inferior to BTC? It's a "shitcoin" anyways. Growing centralization within the network, inflationary supply, and low transaction capacity, makes ETH a terrible cryptocurrency. Developers are now pushing the masses to switch to L2 networks for cheaper fees and faster settlement times. They won't bother improving on-chain scaling, because it's not in their best interests to do so. L2s will ultimately reach a threshold, as they depend heavily on L1.

That's why ETH is and will always be the #2 cryptocurrency in market cap. Who cares, right? As long "hodlers" are able to make money, nothing else matters. Cheesy
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July 31, 2024, 01:43:25 AM
#46
catch up in what term?

if what you mean is Ethereum will even break bitcoin price and capitalization then I think will never come .

Bitcoin is bitcoin , and ethereum will be always ethereum (the second coin)

The Bitcoin would be the king, and the Ethereum would be the crown Wink
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July 31, 2024, 01:39:44 AM
#45
catch up in what term?

if what you mean is Ethereum will even break bitcoin price and capitalization then I think will never come .

Bitcoin is bitcoin , and ethereum will be always ethereum (the second coin)
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July 31, 2024, 12:41:50 AM
#44
the network congestion thing will probably get solved, i heard there's already solution for it and currently on testing in solana.

couldn't agree more with your last statement, ethereum is stagnating in term of technology, too much depending on its L2 and rollups to solve scalability while the main blockchain just stays the same.

ETH need to speed up the blockchain and solve scalability issue in the main blockchain if it wants to retain its position as the number 2 biggest crypto, otherwise solana will be a big contender that will slowly taking market cap of ETH little by little.

ETH developers are sluggish enough not to solve on-chain scalability issues on time. Instead, they're forcing users to move to centralized L2 networks. While I don't think Solana will surpass Ethereum's market cap in the future, it will grow larger because of its higher TX capacity and cost-effectiveness. At its current state, ETH gas fees are more expensive than Bitcoin's network fees. There are some smart contracts taking up a lot of network resources on Ethereum.

The idea of PoS + Sharding making ETH faster and cheaper to use is long gone. Everything is the same as it was when ETH was just a plain PoW blockchain (it's even worse now). Why would ETH catch up to BTC? No one can beat the "King". Hopefully, ETH developers address on-chain scaling issues before it's too late. Cheesy

Vitalik Buterin in his blogs talks quite a lot about what can and would probably be done in the future (and about L2 being the cultural extensions of ETH, so to speak): liquid staking, solo staking, better requirements for nodes, better diversification of power between node builders. But I didn't see anything about the price of the transactions itself Grin
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July 31, 2024, 12:21:54 AM
#43
I don't think so
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July 31, 2024, 12:02:10 AM
#42
In crypto, the same metaphor is bitcoin (BTC) against ether (ETH). Since the crypto winter ended, bitcoin has outperformed. crypto over ether because historically it goes further and longer than bitcoin in the near future but until now it has underperformed.

If you wanted to explain it, you might suggest that ether developers are constantly tinkering with the blockchain, regularly injecting their new ideas into the system, which may or may not solve the blockchain problems they want to fix and that tinkering decreases the value of ether because inject uncertainty. A group of geniuses tinkering with the crypto financial system, in some ways exactly what governments do with fiat and the reason why those who hate fiat and love crypto want to get out of fiat. So Ethereum developers acting like a central bank might just hinder its valuation. “Code as law” isn't very convincing when some young, faceless programmer can act like Judge Dredd with your bag of crypto.
Bitcoin -1.2%, on the other hand, there is almost no such interference and no system flipping every time some developer thinks something is wrong with it. The idea of ​​decentralization is still strong in bitcoin and changing the system is incredibly difficult and the structure is hardly decentralized. bitcoin marches on, seemingly impenetrable to much human influence.

If bitcoin experiences its much-anticipated bull run, then ether will go up with it and very likely catch up to bitcoin in percentage terms and possibly keep going, as happened during the last crypto bull run in 2021. An ether investor who is “all in” would also advise that ether will displace bitcoin in the future, and if bitcoin reaches over $100,000, that could mean $25,000 per token for ether.
You are wrong, take a look at the price of ethereum in terms of bitcoin and you will see the truth, ethereum has been underperforming bitcoin since June of 2017 and right now ethereum is 66% down since its all time high, what does this mean? That if you invested in ethereum then at best you still hold the same amount of bitcoin, but if you invested at one of the points in which ethereum was that expensive then you lost money, as if you had invested your money in bitcoin instead you could have doubled or even tripled your money.
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July 30, 2024, 08:51:22 PM
#41
the network congestion thing will probably get solved, i heard there's already solution for it and currently on testing in solana.

couldn't agree more with your last statement, ethereum is stagnating in term of technology, too much depending on its L2 and rollups to solve scalability while the main blockchain just stays the same.

ETH need to speed up the blockchain and solve scalability issue in the main blockchain if it wants to retain its position as the number 2 biggest crypto, otherwise solana will be a big contender that will slowly taking market cap of ETH little by little.

ETH developers are sluggish enough not to solve on-chain scalability issues on time. Instead, they're forcing users to move to centralized L2 networks. While I don't think Solana will surpass Ethereum's market cap in the future, it will grow larger because of its higher TX capacity and cost-effectiveness. At its current state, ETH gas fees are more expensive than Bitcoin's network fees. There are some smart contracts taking up a lot of network resources on Ethereum.

The idea of PoS + Sharding making ETH faster and cheaper to use is long gone. Everything is the same as it was when ETH was just a plain PoW blockchain (it's even worse now). Why would ETH catch up to BTC? No one can beat the "King". Hopefully, ETH developers address on-chain scaling issues before it's too late. Cheesy
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July 30, 2024, 10:14:39 AM
#40
yes if we involve Solana in the discussion and compare with Ethereum of course Solana is much better, and today it is more widely used, and yes some congestion problems on the solana network just need to be fixed and fixed that I think ETH will be overtaken by SOL rather than ETH catching up with BTC, even though ETH is considered a bluechip in the crypto market but indeed the technology has begun to be disrupted by much better competitors.

True, currently Solana (SOL) has about $83B and Ethereum (ETH) has almost $400B, although almost 5x multiples, but it makes more sense that Solana will catch up to Ethereum than Ethereum chasing Bitcoin (BTC) which has a lower multiplier from the MC side.
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July 30, 2024, 12:45:24 AM
#39
In terms of network fundamentals, Solana (SOL) is stronger than Ethereum (ETH), although a while ago there was a congestion or hacking incident on the Solana network, I think it's only a matter of time until Solana completely overtakes Ethereum's MC ranking. What I mean is, how can Ethereum beat Bitcoin, when in terms of technology alone Ethereum has lost to Solana. So, it's just pure bullshit for people to say Ethereum will beat or catch up to Bitcoin.

the network congestion thing will probably get solved, i heard there's already solution for it and currently on testing in solana.

couldn't agree more with your last statement, ethereum is stagnating in term of technology, too much depending on its L2 and rollups to solve scalability while the main blockchain just stays the same.

ETH need to speed up the blockchain and solve scalability issue in the main blockchain if it wants to retain its position as the number 2 biggest crypto, otherwise solana will be a big contender that will slowly taking market cap of ETH little by little.

Yeah, ETH should go with a blast if it wants to stay in the place it is now, I hope for the main chain to bring something new to the table, like better terms for solo staking, minimizing quarantine box for reducing the harm from the builders, etc. But from the looks of things and from articles from Vitalik Buterin, there are new things coming ahead, so I hope for the better.
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July 29, 2024, 09:47:44 PM
#38
We have seen Bitcoin become a reserve currency for major companies and even some nations like El Salvador continue to accumulate it. U.S. politicians are campaigning on the idea of creating a strategic Bitcoin reserve. If they were campaigning on creating an Ethereum reserve they would not be taken very seriously. It would also be ridiculous to think of Tesla holding over half a billion dollars of Ethereum on their balance sheet, like they do with Bitcoin.

Because of the constant changes in monetary policy, Ethereum is not a great store of value. Ethereum was supposed to revolutionize finance but instead it recreated something similar to fiat. Exploits and rugpulls are also a major issue that has persisted through the years because there is no easy way to make decentralized finance secure.

Ethereum still has wide enough support that it will continue to exist and its value will go up over time, but there are some big enough downsides that will prevent it from overtaking Bitcoin.
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July 29, 2024, 08:35:05 PM
#37
In terms of network fundamentals, Solana (SOL) is stronger than Ethereum (ETH), although a while ago there was a congestion or hacking incident on the Solana network, I think it's only a matter of time until Solana completely overtakes Ethereum's MC ranking. What I mean is, how can Ethereum beat Bitcoin, when in terms of technology alone Ethereum has lost to Solana. So, it's just pure bullshit for people to say Ethereum will beat or catch up to Bitcoin.

the network congestion thing will probably get solved, i heard there's already solution for it and currently on testing in solana.

couldn't agree more with your last statement, ethereum is stagnating in term of technology, too much depending on its L2 and rollups to solve scalability while the main blockchain just stays the same.

ETH need to speed up the blockchain and solve scalability issue in the main blockchain if it wants to retain its position as the number 2 biggest crypto, otherwise solana will be a big contender that will slowly taking market cap of ETH little by little.
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July 29, 2024, 03:36:46 PM
#36

If bitcoin experiences its much-anticipated bull run, then ether will go up with it and very likely catch up to bitcoin in percentage terms and possibly keep going, as happened during the last crypto bull run in 2021. An ether investor who is “all in” would also advise that ether will displace bitcoin in the future, and if bitcoin reaches over $100,000, that could mean $25,000 per token for ether.
I couldn’t comprehend your statement and I don’t know what percentage increase you are talking about but all I can tell you for free is that if you are dreaming you should stop because there will
Be no way for Etherium to come close to Bitcoin in value not to even talk of catching up Bitcoin in price and everything according to your topic.
Altcoins including Ethereium depends on Bitcoin price to move, therefore, they can have some good percentage increase in price for some time, but they can never come close to bitcoin in value.
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July 29, 2024, 01:13:09 PM
#35
No I do not think this is going to happen. Bitcoin will be the always number 1 coin jut because it was the first of them all.

It has a big marketcap of $1.37 Trillion. And the marketcap of Eth is only $405 Billion. I do think there is going to be alot of hodlers for Eth but it will be behind Bitcoin.

Agreed. ETH will be the golden standard of an altcoin, however, BTC will be there waiting at the №1 place.
Until whenever it will not overtake BTC in my opinion, that's for sure, it's not something that ETH can possibly reach, even with its innovations and with its ecosystem, but there is more trust in bitcoin because no one controls it and with its nature it is much more decentralized than ETH.

ETH has become quite weak coin honestly that I think solana might get the chance to overtake it maybe next bullrun, even weaker compared to BTC.
seeing recent price action where BTC pumps from $62k all the way to $69k and ETH just climbed from $2080 to $2200 is sad really.

also, agreed with the ordinal that allows BTC to have functionality similar to ETH and also BTC already has many L2 that allows smart contract and liquid restaking protocol, BTC didn't lose out to ETH in term of functionality at all.

In terms of network fundamentals, Solana (SOL) is stronger than Ethereum (ETH), although a while ago there was a congestion or hacking incident on the Solana network, I think it's only a matter of time until Solana completely overtakes Ethereum's MC ranking. What I mean is, how can Ethereum beat Bitcoin, when in terms of technology alone Ethereum has lost to Solana. So, it's just pure bullshit for people to say Ethereum will beat or catch up to Bitcoin.

yes if we involve Solana in the discussion and compare with Ethereum of course Solana is much better, and today it is more widely used, and yes some congestion problems on the solana network just need to be fixed and fixed that I think ETH will be overtaken by SOL rather than ETH catching up with BTC, even though ETH is considered a bluechip in the crypto market but indeed the technology has begun to be disrupted by much better competitors.
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July 29, 2024, 11:58:42 AM
#34
ETH has become quite weak coin honestly that I think solana might get the chance to overtake it maybe next bullrun, even weaker compared to BTC.
seeing recent price action where BTC pumps from $62k all the way to $69k and ETH just climbed from $2080 to $2200 is sad really.

also, agreed with the ordinal that allows BTC to have functionality similar to ETH and also BTC already has many L2 that allows smart contract and liquid restaking protocol, BTC didn't lose out to ETH in term of functionality at all.

In terms of network fundamentals, Solana (SOL) is stronger than Ethereum (ETH), although a while ago there was a congestion or hacking incident on the Solana network, I think it's only a matter of time until Solana completely overtakes Ethereum's MC ranking. What I mean is, how can Ethereum beat Bitcoin, when in terms of technology alone Ethereum has lost to Solana. So, it's just pure bullshit for people to say Ethereum will beat or catch up to Bitcoin.
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July 29, 2024, 02:08:43 AM
#33
No I do not think this is going to happen. Bitcoin will be the always number 1 coin jut because it was the first of them all.

It has a big marketcap of $1.37 Trillion. And the marketcap of Eth is only $405 Billion. I do think there is going to be alot of hodlers for Eth but it will be behind Bitcoin.

Agreed. ETH will be the golden standard of an altcoin, however, BTC will be there waiting at the №1 place.
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July 29, 2024, 01:58:49 AM
#32
No I do not think this is going to happen. Bitcoin will be the always number 1 coin jut because it was the first of them all.

It has a big marketcap of $1.37 Trillion. And the marketcap of Eth is only $405 Billion. I do think there is going to be alot of hodlers for Eth but it will be behind Bitcoin.
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July 28, 2024, 03:29:49 AM
#31
In terms of supply, Ethereum has unlimited supply.
In terms of security, Ethereum has inferior security compared to Bitcoin.
In terms of popularity, Bitcoin is known more than Ethereum.
In terms of price stability, Bitcoin is more stable, and Ethereum gained and lost almost 42% of its value in 3 months.

You shouldn't believe anyone who claims any crypto coin will surpass Bitcoin or even catch up to it in any field, whether it's an altcoin, meme coin, or shitcoin. The only coin that has surpassed Bitcoin is Monero, and only in security.

So no, I don't think Ethereum will ever catch up to Bitcoin.
Nobody knows what will happen in the far future whether Ethereum can level up with Bitcoin, but as of what is on ground and what we can speculate about their future, Bitcoin will always be ahead. In terms of security and popularity like you mentioned, Bitcoin is way ahead of Ethereum, also it's supply is finite and any experienced person in the crypto space should know this fact. The rate of popularity and adoption that Bitcoin is gathering around the world is geometrical, no other cryptocurrency is nearing it, so it'll be next to impossible for Ethereum or any other crypto to compete with Bitcoin.
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July 28, 2024, 01:25:01 AM
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100% correct, the most basic thing is that Ethereum (ETH) loses in terms of age, then scarcity, apart from that they also lose in terms of adoption.

Q: But Bitcoin (BTC) doesn't have what advanced blockchains like smart-contracts have?
A: With recent developments like Ordinal, isn't it already part of advanced blockchains? although the Bitcoin community doesn't like this.

As time goes by, the supply of Ethereum (ETH) will increase, because the supply is unlimited. So what other basis can Ethereum (ETH) surpass Bitcoin (BTC) someday? none at all!

+1 on this, ETH has become quite weak coin honestly that I think solana might get the chance to overtake it maybe next bullrun, even weaker compared to BTC.
seeing recent price action where BTC pumps from $62k all the way to $69k and ETH just climbed from $2080 to $2200 is sad really.

also, agreed with the ordinal that allows BTC to have functionality similar to ETH and also BTC already has many L2 that allows smart contract and liquid restaking protocol, BTC didn't lose out to ETH in term of functionality at all.
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July 28, 2024, 12:21:34 AM
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chart above speaks a lot Grin.

ETH will not overtake BTC now and in the future, because BTC is being invested heavily by institutional investors and ETH rarely invested by the same institutions so you know that ETH depends on retailer more which has tendency of panic selling Grin.
BTC will never get overtaken by any coin in existence.
While I do agree that ETH will not take over BTC, and I do agree that BTC will never be taken over, my reasoning isn't the whales. Because if whales are investing heavily into btc right now and that seems like a reason, in a year or two maybe something will happen and they will invest into ETH instead of BTC?

How could we ever know that will never happen? It may happen and because of that I believe that we are going to end up with something that could get us ETH going higher.

I think the main reason is because everyone has already invested very heavily into bitcoin to keep it not going lower than anything else, for that to happen we need more than the market average drop, and bitcoin will not have that. Think about it, if all goes 10% down, btc needs to go down 30% and this has to happen a few times, I doubt that will ever happen let alone a few times.

So it is not whales buying btc, it's nobody willing to sell btc more than they are willing to sell other stuff. That's true because it's also not in the market, meaning that it can't be just reverse because people felt like it, it would require a huge shift of funds around, and if that ever happens we can see that before it even happens and be ready.
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