Topic: Will people ever get tired of trading bitcoin? - page 10. (Read 1317 times)

I disagree with some of your points, bitcoin market is not manipulative yes people will actually think that it is manipulative because of some events that surrounds it, but it is not manipulative, because manipulation is when people sit around and make decisions to influence the market, example is fiat which the government can either print more or reduce the printing number to control it. But with bitcoin there is no such central authority to manipulate it, many top bodies have tried it but to no avail.

The volatility of bitcoin also is just base on the fact that bitcoin is still at an early stage if you notice the volatility of bitcoin in the past years compare to this year you will notice a significant reduction in the volatility rate, this shows that as bitcoin grows more it’s volatility will reduce.

Also bitcoin adoption is on rapid growth, and even the mere number of people that registered on the forum although it can be use to justify it properly will show you how it is growing. The number of countries also relaxing their laws to accommodate bitcoin shows it’s adoption growth

Then why is people's interest in bitcoin not changing? This market is manipulative, the government doesn't want it, the price is too much volatile, Adoption isn't increasing at a fast pace and there is so much negative news related to bitcoin that still people want to trade it. This dramatic market and forever evolving nature make this territory more appealing than gold and other commodities which show very stable movement. Bitcoin market creates its own unique behavior in the global market.

When it comes to trading, as long as it can provide profits, someone will never get bored of playing it. Those who quickly get bored in bitcoin trading, because they don't know and don't understand how bitcoin works, are unable to make a profit in bitcoin trading and think that this is something difficult.

To be able to make a profit in bitcoin certainly requires a long process because we are required to have a good understanding so that we can know how bitcoin itself works. And when trading, we are also required to be extra patient and remain consistent. Because the process sometimes makes us tired and bored.

To dominate the monetary system? for how long would that be? It'll surely get to equilibrium, to balance the market.  People will never get tired of using money. If a person is working on a business that requires E gold as the payment method. The person will hurry to know how he'll be able to trade e Gold. Despite e Gold being overshadowed by bitcoin as a payment method. The stay of bitcoin as a commodity with the most utility; money. The market will always move, maybe more difficult. Due to its finite nature. Many wouldn't want to lose for others to win. They'll fall back to the main purpose of bitcoin; as a payment method. Saving some bitcoin on their wallet. Regardless of the decision of people on bitcoin. They're lots of lost bitcoins. With no means of accessing them. Thereby putting a balance in between buyers and sellers. Now I understand why Satoshi tagged lost bitcoins as the helper of the market. Depending on what would make the buyer happy. A new coin or tech, if any, can overshadow the ideas of Satoshi, like his did to Adam back's Hashcash. The situation of bitcoin in such a market, may not be completely reduced. Rather, the news and methods of bitcoin marketing, will also fetch profitable outputs in future. Able to maintain the market. It all depends on the number of people that'll keep using bitcoin when that happens. For instance, de-valuating dollar to an extent people switches to something tangible. Maybe a different country's currency. Yet it wouldn't take away the usage of dollar. Because it's money. People must trade with money. And bitcoin has been serving the purpose of money non stop for over 11 years. It's indeed the future. There are many other generations that'll watch the performance of bitcoin in the financial market, which we may not predict today.

I get your point, Pareto's got some solid economic principles. But markets are this ever-evolving beast, and the beauty of it is the dynamism. Bitcoin, like any asset, faces shifts in demand and utility, just like fashion trends. It might have some Pareto qualities, but it's not a guaranteed constant. When the Bitcoin supply exhausts, people might diversify, but who knows what new financial instruments will arise? Markets are full of surprises.

Ok, I expect those who lose money when trading to find it tiring and they can easily quit, if you are a professional trader and you are making a lot of money will you quit? I have friend who are into forex trading and when I introduced them to crypto trading they later told me why they quit forex trading for crypto trading, they are getting better positive results from crypto trading than forex, so OP it's about the result you are getting as Bitcoin trader.

The truth is some will win and lose will lose, but if you don't quit you will get your own ways around trading, Bitcoin is always here to stay and the value will always be better in future, if you can get serious with trading you will later get along very well.

I had no time for trading when I get to know bitcoin, my mind was focused on acquiring some Bitcoin but later after investing so much on Bitcoin I started learning about Trading, I am not a pro yet but I at least have better result than when I am gambling on any casino, now Trading is my second best source of income.

Yes, it is true, in Bitcoin trading one must lose in order for the other to win, but it is still interesting for everyone and everyone runs after it simply because they expect it to rise more and more in the future.

At every Bitcoin peak, you always find someone buying, and this is really surprising. The reason, as I mentioned before, is that Bitcoin is still in its infancy and people have a strong belief that Bitcoin will achieve very large numbers in the future, so they will continue to buy even at the peak.

If people lose faith in this theory and become convinced that Bitcoin will not continue to rise forever, then volatility could decrease and we will see relative stability in the price of Bitcoin.

Yes, people will get tired of trading bitcoin only if bitcoin stops giving profits;
For bitcoin to stop giving profits means that it will become non volatile;
For bitcoin to become non volatile means it will become a stable coin;
For bitcoin to become a stable coin means it has lost its value;
This simply means that people will no longer see bitcoin as an investment asset;
Maybe Altcoins will take over;
But will this even happen someday? I do not think so...

The title of the thread is just like asking if people will ever get tired of earning money, which is No.

Everyone would want to be in No1 and 2 market.

Two things will happen in the traditional market, either you win or lose, which is the category that Bitcoin falls into, When you are buying someone is selling to you and when you are selling someone is buying from you, so it is either that you profit or you lose kind of game and It now balls down to you playing to be on the winning side.

If the system were set to be number 1 and 2 everyone would flood into the market and do the same thing the system could crash and may no longer exist as of today, But what keeps the system interesting and going is because of No 3 and 4 the traditional market pattern that gave birth to the Bitcoin -crypto market.

It will depend on the individual's own desire behind being tired of trading bitcoins. If he likes to trade short term then he will and for long term it takes a long time to wait many people don't have that much patience then they can get tired. But long term trading is more profitable as they hope that its value will increase making them profit. If demand for bitcoin increases the interplay of supply and demand may increase its value if you are interested in trading and investing you cannot avoid looking at cryptocurrency trading. Cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin ethereum litecoin have attracted investors with substantial profit potential and a whole new way of thinking about how it works.

It wouldn't be right to answer no to this question because transactions are not carried out only with spot balances in financial markets. In addition to spot transactions, it is possible to trade in financial markets with futures, contracts and similar types of trading styles. In other words, in such transactions since the contract is actually purchased it is possible to trade more than the current or maximum supply of the traded financial product which we can see in gold. In other words, it isn't necessary for the Bitcoin supply to reach the maximum level or for there to be enough supply in the market for people to get bored of Bitcoin trading.

In summary, I wanted to explain that financial markets are not limited to spot transactions only and therefore a person can trade any amount he/she wishes. In other words, the fact that the supply in circulation has decreased or that any financial product has reached its maximum supply doesn't mean that people will prefer this financial instrument less or will get bored of trading it.

Pareto was a fine economic mathematician and although his ideal about trading is logical and applicable with the results of his teachings, it doesn't stop the fact that Bitcoin was built on the ideology of demand and supply.
In the case where people stop trading BTC because they have enough, BTC will remain as mining continues and new blocks are formed.
BTC is money so if no trading, the coins is yours in the long run and the compounding effect of the coins left untouched could amount to millions once liquidated.
I will pick options one and four in your composition of  Pareto principles because it has been what is most common in the gambling and betting world for me and I recognize this trade in which both parties win and that of which the winner gets more and the loser loses all .
People will never get tired of trading BTC because it is what it is today by the principle of supply and demand among P2p.

I classify trading as short term frame buying & selling, hoping for profits or playing around with risky leverage. People could get tired of the above because it’s a recipe for disaster & likely to incur losses.
However, what people will not get tired of is buying & holding bitcoin long term because it’s close to a guarantee to make big profits. Nobody gets tired of watching their purchasing power grow, taking control of their own wealth, not relying on third parties. It’s enlightening to own bitcoin & say a big F U to the government.

     In the reality that is happening today, the number 4 is the one we often encounter and experience. To be honest, nobody in this industry hasn't encountered number four. Did anyone avoid that?

     That means, until now and even in the future, we will continue to experience this, but we will make a profit because we can make a profit here whether we buy or sell in the trading activity.

In my opinion, as long as Bitcoin price will always continue to fluctuate, then it will always be traded. It doesn't have to be as volatile as it is today.
Take gold, for example, its price still fluctuates and people have been trading it forever.
The only way Bitcoin stops being tradable is if the price remains static at a point.
A limited supply of Bitcoin increases the scarcity thereby driving up the price. With the price going up, some would want it and therefore buy it because they'll speculate that they can buy it and sell it for a profit just as it is today. Same way the price will drop when people start selling and people would buy it to sell at higher prices.

Depend on result or achievement from trading about tired or not some people in trading bitcoin, actually if consistent earn profit exactly with short term trading they will excited and never get tired with trading because have been their passive income. I don't sure with trader in loss position and always get lower price after investing in bitcoin, have waiting one month until one year but not have good result seems they will tired and frustrated with trading bitcoin. Not all loss trader will face tired depend on mentality, if some one have experienced with other investment kinds and ever got loss position they will not tired or frustrated when trading in bitcoin although their position not earn profitable yet.

I have both position now, loss and earn profit with bitcoin trading but have been my passion never got tired with trading bitcoin forever to be my passive income.

If we take gold as a model, as it is the most stable asset, we find that there is active trading in this market. However, the movement is limited and profits are only achieved by using leverage or waiting for several months. However, we find that more people are speculating in this asset.
Bitcoin is still far from its true value, which we can simply know if Bitcoin stabilized around it for 8 years, which has not happened. Therefore, the price will remain highly volatile, which means profits for some and losses for others, with profits for all in a certain period until we reach a period in which the price of Bitcoin is so high that Weekly trading will be able to move the price by 1% in the best of cases and we will reach a state similar to gold. Until that condition occurs, speculation will continue, and after it occurs, it will continue.

I believe Pareto is dragging this too much, there are and there will ever be three sets of traders in the market;

1. Those who lose their money.
2. Those who gain.
3. And those who lose and gain with nothing tangible to show for it.

In either of these, you lose to the market/market makers and gain from the market/market makers.

Now about the context, these combinations have existed in the traditional market for so long and it has not died till today, so the Bitcoin market can't be any different. It will continue to flourish as there will always be losers and winners in the market at different time and trading conditions.

These trading rules were developed by the economics genius Pareto, and they remain just as applicable today as they did then. Now when we're talking about bitcoin, it's an absolutely intriguing topic. Bitcoin is a game-changer, a disruptor, and it's here to dominate

The best trades are those that benefit both parties equally and in which no one loses, correct? Everyone adores and desires them. However, as you correctly pointed out, bitcoin belongs in category 4. The game is a zero-sum one. Someone has to lose in order for someone to gain. But this is when things start to get interesting. Bitcoin's strongest suit is its limited quantity. Its uniqueness and importance come from this.

When the quantity of bitcoin runs out, will people start looking for substitutes? Most likely. But keep in mind that Bitcoin has become the benchmark for cryptocurrencies. It is comparable to the dollar in the digital age. People have faith in it and trust it. Additionally, value exists as long as there is confidence. As you correctly stated, the market finds its equilibrium. While people's preferences fluctuate and utilities differ, bitcoin is one thing that never changes. The future is here, and it's a good on

They are four kinds of trading according to Pareto; An immortalized name in the economics mathematical science.

1. A win win trade; one that the both parties win, hence the number of people into such trade keeps booming

2. Trade in which a party gains, but no one loses, and again welfare will definitely go up; more users and investors

3. Trade in which no one gains, but someone loses

4. Trade in which some party win and some loses, and increases the amount of profits of those who won.

People are wise, they'll go for one and two, but will trade on it until a point where people can't trade without getting worsen off.  But, in 3 and 4, where I placed bitcoin, especially 4. The trade cannot be profitable if people don't lose for others to win. Yet it has some qualities of the results of number 1, finite supply. When the supply of bitcoin ends. Wouldn't people look for other things that'll serve them, other than bitcoin?

People's interest can change in the market. Which is what balances the market. Difference in utilities.

No fud! just reasoning like an economists. Using their mathematical science. You can contribute or share you insights on Pareto principles; Pareto optimal and Pareto superior trades.

Thanks.