Will Silk Road's Ulbricht Win Appeal? - page 2.

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Quote from: S4VV4S on July 06, 2015, 09:46:03 AM

Amen to that.
I wonder when (and IF) that is going to happen.
History has shown otherwise.
Look at Greece and Cyprus for example.

Although reality in Greece seems dark right now, the youth there having just rejecting the IMF's austerity measures is truly a great example, full of courage and optimism. They are rejecting the banking system, saying it's better to face total national bankruptcy and restart the entire dead economy than to go along as debt slaves one more year. I salute the Greeks (especially you millennials who made this happen), stand strong. If the Italians, Spanish, or Irish follow suit, the euro is done.

As far as when we get our revolution here in the U.S., I'd say we've got fifteen years on the outside, but probably closer to five. Just my 2cents, take it for what it's worth.

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Quote from: Beliathon on July 06, 2015, 09:09:22 AM

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We will replace them with men who deserve to be behind bars, like the banksters who greedily destroyed billions of other peoples' wealth (including pensions), and the treasonous corporate crony politicians who wipe their asses with our constitution for personal gain.

Amen to that.
I wonder when (and IF) that is going to happen.
History has shown otherwise.
Look at Greece and Cyprus for example.

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Quote from: Manic Street Preacher on July 06, 2015, 09:33:00 AM

Quote from: scarsbergholden on July 06, 2015, 09:24:54 AM

a Long road ahead for Ross, most of the public is out rage about hes sentence

Really? Outrage? The general public don't seem to care. The only people who do are his mother and a few libertarians but a lot of angry anarchists arn't going to get him freed.

The general public doesn't care about anything. Have you seen this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M

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Quote from: scarsbergholden on July 06, 2015, 09:24:54 AM

a Long road ahead for Ross, most of the public is out rage about hes sentence

Really? Outrage? The general public don't seem to care. The only people who do are his mother and a few libertarians but a lot of angry anarchists arn't going to get him freed.

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a Long road ahead for Ross, most of the public is out rage about hes sentence when real international drug dealers get 10 to 20 years he gets life.
the system is corrupt by making an sample out of him it shows that internal forces can manipulated the system has they please with no guaranties of having a fair trail if they could see have a say in whats accepted has proof.

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No, he doesn't have a chance against the State in a State Courtroom of Injustice. The judge is an employee of Ulbricht's opponent.

But sooner or later the revolution will come to free people like Ulbricht, Manning, and Shrem, and no guards alive will be able to stop it.

We will replace them with men who deserve to be behind bars, like the banksters who greedily destroyed billions of other peoples' wealth (including pensions), and the treasonous corporate crony politicians who wipe their asses with our constitution for personal gain.

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He has been selected as an example of what can happen to you if you run a darknet marketplace selling illegal goods. A life sentence for this is insane, then again, it seems he tried to hire some hitmen to do some nasty jobs, in this case I don't really care what happens to him.

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I think he might be able to get the sentence reduced at least. Life in prison seems quite harsh for what he did and a lesser sentence would seem more fair.

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Nope. But we can hope.

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Quote from: eerygarden on July 06, 2015, 07:26:23 AM

I was not a big follower of the details of this case but according to the documentary Deep Web, by Alex winter, his defence was that he was never an admin for silk road, he merely built the website and sold it to someone else. You know how it goes with these things, you can never be sure on what to believe. The documentary leaves a lot of room for doubt in the prosecutions case though.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3312868/

He was

That might have been the only excuse his defense could come up with but we all know it's bulshit. I might have found it a bit more believable had he not been caught red-handed. He should have stayed at home as logging into Silk Road in public was silly. In fact, even being in the US was silly.

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Quote from: DGulari on July 06, 2015, 01:59:19 AM

He paid to kill people.

murder charges were dropped because it couldn't be proved.
it is clear they want to make an example of him, so I don't think he has any chance to win the appeal.

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Quote from: DGulari on July 06, 2015, 01:59:19 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on July 06, 2015, 01:38:05 AM

There is not even a 0.0000001% chance that his sentence will be reduced. The FBI want to make an example out of him. They want to scare other possible future dark market admins using his example. Accept it. Ross Ullbricht will remain imprisoned for the rest of his life, unless he manages to escape from the prison.

He is a very high level scumbag and he belongs in jail forever. Why would they reduce his sentence? They aren't making an example of him, he earned every day of confinement. He paid to kill people. He set up the largest drug trade market ever. I am surprised he didn't get the death penalty. Why did they go easy on him?

They didn't.
I don't know if you heard by he will be locked up in a box 23 hours a day for the rest of his life.
They should have gave him the death penalty but they didn't because they want him to suffer.
He will go crazy and eventually start coming up with ways to end his life.
I doubt that would be possible though.

Does that sound like "going easy on him"?

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I was not a big follower of the details of this case but according to the documentary Deep Web, by Alex winter, his defence was that he was never an admin for silk road, he merely built the website and sold it to someone else. You know how it goes with these things, you can never be sure on what to believe. The documentary leaves a lot of room for doubt in the prosecutions case though.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3312868/

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Quote from: turvarya on July 06, 2015, 04:28:12 AM

Quote from: Tarantino on July 06, 2015, 04:01:16 AM

Quote from: Kprawn on July 06, 2015, 03:36:02 AM

Ross Ullbricht did not get a fair trial. Evidence was withheld to protect the agents, who also stole Bitcoins.

The murder charges was never used in court, they only fabricated that story, to make him look bad, and the sentence is clear evidence of that.

I doubt they were fabricated but it may have been entrapment. If you're going to say evidence was fabricated then you might as well say the entire evidence they had against him was fabricated too.

There are people much more more familiar with this case, who are saying exactly that: Most evidence is fabricated. There were a lot of lies, about how they got certain data(since, what they said didn't make sense in a technical way). There was evidence used, that no court should accept, since they are easily manipulated.
Also: If there was entrapment, that is illegal in the USA, as far as I know. He is not convicted for the murder charge, there isn't even a prosecution for that and there will not be one.

Well all the ones who are saying this are obviously pro Ross and are going to say evidence was fabricated. When you get caught at your laptop logged in as DPR this argument loses a lot of credibility. I'm sure the trail wasn't fair but they didn't really need to fabricate anything when everyone can see what was going on.

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Quote from: DGulari on July 06, 2015, 04:36:22 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 03:06:07 AM

As for the murder for hire claims, correct me if I'm wrong but that wasn't proven as directly related to Ross.

They didn't even try to prove it. However, if they did we all know what the end result would be. It is quite clear he was deep in this murder for hire thing. That the DEA was a shithead didn't lesson the fact that Ross was all-in when it came to killing that guy.

Oh, it was clear, no prosecution needed.
Please jump from a bridge.

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Wouldn't surprise me if the sentence was increased, if that's even possible. He's fucked, unless Murrica has some kind of revolution and halts the war on drugs.

Quote from: DGulari on July 06, 2015, 04:36:22 AM

The stupidity of the bitcoin community is shocking.

"herp derp people disagree with me so they must be stupid"

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 03:06:07 AM

he was creating a safe haven for those people to get what they so desired.

What if they desired rape and murder of nuns? Then is it nobel that he provide what people desire?

The relevant point, as you well know, is whether or not the actions have a negative effect on others. Obviously you believe drugs do. But to compare the certainty of that to the certainty of rape/murder having a negative effect on others, is... Yeah. Rape/murder is clear action - harm caused, drugs are a whole lot more complicated in the chains of cause and effect.

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Quote from: DGulari on July 06, 2015, 04:36:22 AM

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 03:06:07 AM

He never handled any drugs himself, he acted as an intemediary.

There is no law which requires 'handling drugs personally'. Drug dealing comes in many forms and it is not a requirement to be guilty of drugs dealing - that one 'handle them personally'. What about the guy who stands on the corner dealing heroin but 'not handling it personally' because he uses a mental retard to hold the drug packages - does he get off too? Where did you get the idea that just so one doesn't handle them personally - they are innocent? This is the dumbest idea ever.

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He did handle some drugs personally. He was one of the first sellers, if not the first seller because he sold magic mushrooms when the Silk Road started. They are not the most serious category of drug but they are illegal in most countries. He admitted to selling magic mushrooms and cultivating them himself, and also his Ebay technician friend who helped him code the Silk Road claimed Ross gave him some mushrooms that he admitted cultivating himself.

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The stupidity of the bitcoin community is shocking.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 03:06:07 AM

I don't agree.

Disagree all you like - you'll remain wrong.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 03:06:07 AM

He never handled any drugs himself, he acted as an intemediary.

There is no law which requires 'handling drugs personally'. Drug dealing comes in many forms and it is not a requirement to be guilty of drugs dealing - that one 'handle them personally'. What about the guy who stands on the corner dealing heroin but 'not handling it personally' because he uses a mental retard to hold the drug packages - does he get off too? Where did you get the idea that just so one doesn't handle them personally - they are innocent? This is the dumbest idea ever.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 03:06:07 AM

he was creating a safe haven for those people to get what they so desired.

What if they desired rape and murder of nuns? Then is it nobel that he provide what people desire?

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 03:06:07 AM

As for the murder for hire claims, correct me if I'm wrong but that wasn't proven as directly related to Ross.

They didn't even try to prove it. However, if they did we all know what the end result would be. It is quite clear he was deep in this murder for hire thing. That the DEA was a shithead didn't lesson the fact that Ross was all-in when it came to killing that guy.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 03:06:07 AM

Is what he did worse than rape or pedofilia?

Far, far worse.

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Quote from: Tarantino on July 06, 2015, 04:01:16 AM

Quote from: Kprawn on July 06, 2015, 03:36:02 AM

Ross Ullbricht did not get a fair trial. Evidence was withheld to protect the agents, who also stole Bitcoins.

The murder charges was never used in court, they only fabricated that story, to make him look bad, and the sentence is clear evidence of that.

I doubt they were fabricated but it may have been entrapment. If you're going to say evidence was fabricated then you might as well say the entire evidence they had against him was fabricated too.

There are people much more more familiar with this case, who are saying exactly that: Most evidence is fabricated. There were a lot of lies, about how they got certain data(since, what they said didn't make sense in a technical way). There was evidence used, that no court should accept, since they are easily manipulated.
Also: If there was entrapment, that is illegal in the USA, as far as I know. He is not convicted for the murder charge, there isn't even a prosecution for that and there will not be one.

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Quote from: DGulari on July 06, 2015, 01:59:19 AM

He is a very high level scumbag and he belongs in jail forever. Why would they reduce his sentence? They aren't making an example of him, he earned every day of confinement. He paid to kill people. He set up the largest drug trade market ever. I am surprised he didn't get the death penalty. Why did they go easy on him?

As I have posted many times before, there is no credible evidence to prove that he had attempted to kill people. And if someone deserves life without parole for simply setting up a market place then what should be the quantum of punishment given to those NATO guys, who encourage opium production in Afghanistan?

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