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newbie
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March 21, 2013, 08:32:41 PM
#65
I wonder if one factor with the current bubble is the difficulty in cashing out because of withdraw limits at exchanges. There are still a lot of early adopters/investors sitting on a ton of coins that are very difficult to actually sell. For example, MTGox has a $10,000 USD monthly withdraw limit. If you wanted to sell $1million USD worth of bitcoins it would take 8 years to withdraw it. I'm thinking this could be preventing a sell-off and once those limitations are removed, I expect a major correction. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see it hit $15/BTC at some point once these sorts of restrictions are removed. Right now I suspect many are only selling as much BTC as they can withdraw which artificially limits the supply since I suspect there might be a lot of people dying to sell right now.

/$0.02

One doesn't need Mt Gox to sell $1M in btc.  One just needs to find a buyer.  Meet in person to exchange, or wire money to escrow.  8 years to sell through Mt Gox?  Let's use our imagination just a wee bit.   

And I seriously doubt that Mt Gox monthly limits are what's limiting sellers right now.  You don't sell in masse into price appreciation.  The herd sells on the way down.  Who's had time to even think about selling in the last 4 days.  It's shot straight up.  This said, I'd really like to see a move back to the $50 range, so I can exchange fiat for btc at a much more favorable rate. 

newbie
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March 21, 2013, 07:48:17 PM
#64
btc has many things going for it
  • It is established, trusted and accepted on the internet
    It is the easiest way to access black market activity anonymously, such as weapons, drugs, Botnets, adult content
    IT makes it legal to gamble online in the us (and probly others) This is a big plus
    It is deflationary, meant that it is designed to keep rising,
    just as the USD once was backed by gold, btc is backed by electricity costs

One thing holding it back, is the fact that you cant use credit card or paypal to buy it



I'm interested in what you mean by BTC being backed by electricity costs? I understand that mining uses power, how does power (and its cost) back it?

There are ways to buy btc with a credit card.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
I AM A DRAGON
March 21, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
#63
btc has many things going for it
  • It is established, trusted and accepted on the internet
    It is the easiest way to access black market activity anonymously, such as weapons, drugs, Botnets, adult content
    IT makes it legal to gamble online in the us (and probly others) This is a big plus
    It is deflationary, meant that it is designed to keep rising,
    just as the USD once was backed by gold, btc is backed by electricity costs

One thing holding it back, is the fact that you cant use credit card or paypal to buy it

newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
March 21, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
#62
Isn't the value of something always depending on offer and demand? Right now there is a lot more offer than demand which is a problem, and could lead to a crash. If everyone realizes that they have huge piles of coins and no way to transfer them to goods or other currencies, that could drive the price down. The way to ensure BTC's future is to see many more companies start accepting payment in BTC.

Right now there is a lot more demand than supply.

Do you think this is because people are holding onto their BTC?

I picture those with large btc wallets holding onto them waiting for the time to sell, which is always tomorrow with BTC's value increasing. IMO, that is a likely reason supply is low.

hero member
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March 21, 2013, 07:32:06 PM
#61
Isn't the value of something always depending on offer and demand? Right now there is a lot more offer than demand which is a problem, and could lead to a crash. If everyone realizes that they have huge piles of coins and no way to transfer them to goods or other currencies, that could drive the price down. The way to ensure BTC's future is to see many more companies start accepting payment in BTC.

Right now there is a lot more demand than supply.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
March 21, 2013, 06:53:04 PM
#60
Isn't the value of something always depending on offer and demand? Right now there is a lot more offer than demand which is a problem, and could lead to a crash. If everyone realizes that they have huge piles of coins and no way to transfer them to goods or other currencies, that could drive the price down. The way to ensure BTC's future is to see many more companies start accepting payment in BTC.
member
Activity: 167
Merit: 10
March 21, 2013, 06:17:35 PM
#59
This is no bubble!!!!
Based on this exponential growth pattern i predict the following

June price $375 per BTC
September 1875 per BTC
December $9375 per BTC
by 2020 1 BTC will be worth $6.9849193e+22 or approx 10 billion times earth's current GDP.

Keep buying people

 Grin

Thats why I dont buy bitcoins now, you know someone has to pay this bubble.
newbie
Activity: 48
Merit: 0
March 21, 2013, 06:08:05 PM
#58
With the current supply and demand factors at play, specifically the last couple weeks moving into the next couple weeks,  (new interest, speculation players, European Economics and of course, Avalon ASIC Batch #3) cannot be ignored when guesstimating what the short term value of BTC will be.

It's fascinating the consider (IMHO) that $100/btc by 03/31/13 seems realistic and even probable.
newbie
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Merit: 0
March 21, 2013, 04:54:43 PM
#57
Some pretty interesting responses.

Measuring the volatility for the next couple of years will be fascinating.
member
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Merit: 11
March 21, 2013, 04:37:33 PM
#56
I think it will slow down on weekend befor it gets to the final 100$ in march  Grin
newbie
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Merit: 0
March 21, 2013, 04:02:11 PM
#55
Bubbles are not unique to the stock market.  Look up the Tulip bubble.
member
Activity: 60
Merit: 10
March 21, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
#54
Or a hacker could create separate branch node thingy and create his own version of bitcoins from it

Unlike other markets, I am not scared of a bears or spooked speculators. If the price goes down to 1 usd per BTC
I will simply buy more of them, unless there is a new reason why BTC cannot be used as an online currency.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1008
March 21, 2013, 03:15:17 PM
#53
yes, the bubble will burst soon. The Ben Bernanke's bubble...
hero member
Activity: 491
Merit: 514
March 21, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
#52
Do you know what the max withdraw for trusted accounts is?
full member
Activity: 134
Merit: 100
March 21, 2013, 02:10:34 PM
#51
This is no bubble!!!!
Based on this exponential growth pattern i predict the following

June price $375 per BTC
September 1875 per BTC
December $9375 per BTC
by 2020 1 BTC will be worth $6.9849193e+22 or approx 10 billion times earth's current GDP.

Keep buying people

 Grin
newbie
Activity: 24
Merit: 0
March 21, 2013, 02:00:54 PM
#50
There is a way of increasing the withdrawal limit on MtGox. You have to go through another round of verification in order to raise your account status from verified to trusted.
hero member
Activity: 491
Merit: 514
March 21, 2013, 01:55:24 PM
#49
I wonder if one factor with the current bubble is the difficulty in cashing out because of withdraw limits at exchanges. There are still a lot of early adopters/investors sitting on a ton of coins that are very difficult to actually sell. For example, MTGox has a $10,000 USD monthly withdraw limit. If you wanted to sell $1million USD worth of bitcoins it would take 8 years to withdraw it. I'm thinking this could be preventing a sell-off and once those limitations are removed, I expect a major correction. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see it hit $15/BTC at some point once these sorts of restrictions are removed. Right now I suspect many are only selling as much BTC as they can withdraw which artificially limits the supply since I suspect there might be a lot of people dying to sell right now.

/$0.02
hero member
Activity: 490
Merit: 500
March 21, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
#48
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Max Keiser believes in a $100k BTC soon

He also said "$500 silver if you want it" it got to $50
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
March 21, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
#47
Max Keiser believes in a $100k BTC soon Tongue

Exponential growth in value! Get in while you can! Aaagh - 20% increase while I was waiting for the wire transfer to arrive!
Heard it before? Sure you have. So - will the bubble burst? Or is bitcoin just different? The exeption from the rule? The only true God this time?

member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
March 21, 2013, 08:50:38 AM
#46
And as far as professional money getting involved in this, I would be looking for lone day traders at Goldman Sachs et. al. to be getting involved in speculation before large funds pour money into this market. The funds are savvy and realize that the market cap of BTC could not handle large capital inflows.....they are smart money, and doubtful they would want to ride a wave of speculation without getting in at the bottom floor.

VCs have meetings all the time regarding new technology. That does not mean that directly after the meeting, they will pour huge $$ directly into BTC. These meetings serve to enlighten them on the technology so they can invest in other BTC start-ups. There are some smaller shops that shoot for the moon who may get interested, but you will not have groups like Sequoia Capital investing directly into BTC. They would be investing in a BTC start-up......

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