Will the selling merit be a new problem? - page 2.

ruletheworld

legendary

Activity: 1386

Merit: 1045

Quote from: Lutpin on January 24, 2018, 11:20:42 PM

Quote from: PureLove on January 24, 2018, 11:11:12 PM

Quote from: Lutpin on January 24, 2018, 10:59:11 PM

Is the selling of trust a problem right now?

the trust maybe not necessary if people didn't want to trade.

Trust is unlimited, I can give out 100 positive trust ratings today, and not lose anything (maybe my credibility, people would stop caring about my ratings, if I just spam them, but you get the idea).

sMerit is limited. I have a responsibility with it. I can use my sMerit to reward good posts, incentive good behaviour with that (publicly shown) reward and help make this forum a better place by increasing the post quality.
Or I can sell it (likely be banned for doing so), incentive spam and contribute to the already very evident problematic of shitposting.

I cant do both, as I have limited ressources. I have to decide, and if I care about this place, this is an easy decision.

Yes, selling trust is also a problem. However, it affects a smaller sub-set of users who use this forum to trade.

Selling sMerit could potentially be a bigger problem, because a lot of members use forum activity ranks for airdrops, bounties, etc.

Lutpin

copper member

Activity: 1876

Merit: 1874

Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: actmyname on January 24, 2018, 11:47:04 PM

I'll tag them. (Or whatever future method is available for marking spammers)

If theymos is willing, smas could be transformed into something with a global (forum-wide) impact, rather than the currently limited one.
I dont think anyone currently involved with SMAS would object.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28858331

actmyname

copper member

Activity: 2562

Merit: 2510

Spear the bees

The thing is, even if users have gained merit this just slows down account farming and alt rings. Imagine: a one-liner poster suddenly has 2k+ merit. They still aren't going to be accepted to high-paying campaigns.

Moreover, they'll probably be blacklisted for the high merit yet low post quality by many of the campaign managers who do care.

A public list will help as well, to track down abuse.

Quote from: aroweyen on January 24, 2018, 11:43:48 PM

The seller can easily tell the buyer "to make a good quality post and then I will merit you"
Or the seller may also include that to his service like "I will also provide you with a somewhat believable quality post so you just need to copy it from me and you post it and then I will merit you"
So yeah it might be a new problem. I think there's always a way to exploit anything.

High-quality post = better for the forum. If the user has ONE good post and several shitty ones they still won't be considered for campaigns.

I'll tag them. (Or whatever future method is available for marking spammers)

aroweyen

full member

Activity: 182

Merit: 102

The seller can easily tell the buyer "to make a good quality post and then I will merit you"
Or the seller may also include that to his service like "I will also provide you with a somewhat believable quality post so you just need to copy it from me and you post it and then I will merit you"
So yeah it might be a new problem. I think there's always a way to exploit anything.

theymos_away

member

Activity: 82

Merit: 26

Quote from: CodyAlfaridzi on January 24, 2018, 11:23:03 PM

theymos need to make a public list of sent and received merit of a user, like a trust summary. This will easily solve that problem.

I will do this in the near future, maybe tomorrow. Also top merited posts/topics/users.

CodyAlfaridzi

hero member

Activity: 1708

Merit: 541

Quote from: shesheboy on January 24, 2018, 11:14:43 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 24, 2018, 10:57:23 PM

Merit given is also public, so if someone were to give a spam/crappy post 50 merit, it could be caught by the community and the users given negative trust

yeah its public and we all can see it but what if someone gives merit on a verry old post and burried around the mega spam thread that new posters, readers and moderators cannot possibly read as it is verry old? how can we combat this?

theymos need to make a public list of sent and received merit of a user, like a trust summary. This will easily solve that problem.

goyal.dkg

member

Activity: 336

Merit: 14

Quote from: shesheboy on January 24, 2018, 11:14:43 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 24, 2018, 10:57:23 PM

Merit given is also public, so if someone were to give a spam/crappy post 50 merit, it could be caught by the community and the users given negative trust

yeah its public and we all can see it but what if someone gives merit on a verry old post and burried around the mega spam thread that new posters, readers and moderators cannot possibly read as it is verry old? how can we combat this?

agreed , a new way for scammers to earn profit by selling smerits ..
and we know many legendary people also do such things for money like bumping threads .
and what about those old members who promoted to suhc higher ranks already , its a plus point for them , as they are already legendary/hero member . so no tension of merits .

Lutpin

copper member

Activity: 1876

Merit: 1874

Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: PureLove on January 24, 2018, 11:11:12 PM

Quote from: Lutpin on January 24, 2018, 10:59:11 PM

Is the selling of trust a problem right now?

the trust maybe not necessary if people didn't want to trade.

Trust is unlimited, I can give out 100 positive trust ratings today, and not lose anything (maybe my credibility, people would stop caring about my ratings, if I just spam them, but you get the idea).

sMerit is limited. I have a responsibility with it. I can use my sMerit to reward good posts, incentive good behaviour with that (publicly shown) reward and help make this forum a better place by increasing the post quality.
Or I can sell it (likely be banned for doing so), incentive spam and contribute to the already very evident problematic of shitposting.

I cant do both, as I have limited ressources. I have to decide, and if I care about this place, this is an easy decision.

shesheboy

full member

Activity: 714

Merit: 114

Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 24, 2018, 10:57:23 PM

Merit given is also public, so if someone were to give a spam/crappy post 50 merit, it could be caught by the community and the users given negative trust

yeah its public and we all can see it but what if someone gives merit on a verry old post that is burried around the mega spam thread that new posters, readers and moderators cannot possibly read as it is verry old? how can we combat those mortals that doing this insane idea?

PureLove

newbie

Activity: 74

Merit: 0

Quote from: Lutpin on January 24, 2018, 10:59:11 PM

Is the selling of trust a problem right now?

the trust maybe not necessary if people didn't want to trade. but the rank is always important since new members need to join the airdrop. it is unfair that the new member get more limitation and even rejected to join the airdrop only because they can not get some merits to level up

SoulBargain

full member

Activity: 234

Merit: 100

Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 24, 2018, 10:57:23 PM

A person can only give another person 50 merit points. Merit given is also public, so if someone were to give a spam/crappy post 50 merit, it could be caught by the community and the users given negative trust. Merit isn't very plentiful at the moment (I only got 200 points by being Legendary, which isn't enough to rank someone to Sr. Member), so it would also be very expensive. Hard to predict what will happen for sure, but I don't anticipate merit selling to really pick up.

Existing ranked accounts might go up in value though.

I concur. Those who would abuse the merit system would risk their account to be punished. I don't really know what are the official rules regarding this but I may assume that it would lead to permanent ban in worst case. I do believe that theymos had anticipated this that's why he made it public when you give smerit.

Quote from: Lutpin on January 24, 2018, 10:59:11 PM

Is the selling of trust a problem right now?

Good point.

Lutpin

copper member

Activity: 1876

Merit: 1874

Goodbye, Z.

Is the selling of trust a problem right now?

DarkStar_

legendary

Activity: 2772

Merit: 3282

A person can only give another person 50 merit points. Merit given is also public, so if someone were to give a spam/crappy post 50 merit, it could be caught by the community and the users given negative trust. Merit isn't very plentiful at the moment (I only got 200 points by being Legendary, which isn't enough to rank someone to Sr. Member), so it would also be very expensive. Hard to predict what will happen for sure, but I don't anticipate merit selling to really pick up.

Existing ranked accounts might go up in value though.

ThemonkiiX

newbie

Activity: 233

Merit: 0

I agree that the new requirement for level up will do something to avoid the spam. However, I wonder if its advantage is greater than its negative impacts.

As everyone knows that the activity has a limitation of 14 for two weeks. Therefore most of the spam were sent not for level, but for other objectives such as airdrop.

AS of this, I think the major role of new requirement is to limit the level up of new members. may be those who have many accounts could be limited since they may hardly to level up all their accounts to member.

However, a new market of selling/buying merit will soon appear. I believe this new requirement will finally become a new way to earn money but contribute little to the improvement of community.

welcome for your idea and discussion.

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