Will the world cup affect the Russia and Ukraine fight?

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Quote from: Queentoshi on November 16, 2022, 05:02:26 PM

Sports has one of its benefits as been able to bring people together with a common interest, talking about the world cup and crisis, do you think that RUSSIA and UKRAINE will possibly decide to temporarily cease fire as a result of the world cup?

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“My plea to all of you is to think on a temporary cease-fire, for one month, for the duration of the World Cup — or at least the implementation of some humanitarian corridors or anything that could lead to the resumption of dialogue as a first step to peace,”-FIFA CHIEF

https://www.politico.eu/article/fifa-chief-gianni-infantino-says-qatar-world-cup-is-chance-for-russia-ukraine-cease-fire/

War and the world cup are both different things. It makes no sense that the military will stop the war to watch the World Cup and let the game decide the future of the war. On a serious note, there would be no impact of the world cup on the war between the two countries.

The world cup has reached near to the quarterfinals - we have seen the people waving palestine flag but no ukraine flag or russia flag was seen there.
People are enjoying the event - and nothing has been affected by the war. The life goes on - when you suffer you suffer alone - this has exactly happened for Ukraine and Russia War

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Quote from: Queentoshi on November 16, 2022, 05:02:26 PM

Sports has one of its benefits as been able to bring people together with a common interest, talking about the world cup and crisis, do you think that RUSSIA and UKRAINE will possibly decide to temporarily cease fire as a result of the world cup?

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“My plea to all of you is to think on a temporary cease-fire, for one month, for the duration of the World Cup — or at least the implementation of some humanitarian corridors or anything that could lead to the resumption of dialogue as a first step to peace,”-FIFA CHIEF

https://www.politico.eu/article/fifa-chief-gianni-infantino-says-qatar-world-cup-is-chance-for-russia-ukraine-cease-fire/

War and the world cup are both different things. It makes no sense that the military will stop the war to watch the World Cup and let the game decide the future of the war. On a serious note, there would be no impact of the world cup on the war between the two countries.

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Quote from: yazher on November 21, 2022, 06:11:37 AM

Well! that's not how cease-fires work because both parties right now have different agendas and they already sacrificed a lot and they don't want to jeopardize their plan just because of some World Cup. Both leaders have no sympathy for their people because both decided to go on despite the huge casualties and damages because by this senseless war. The world cup might be a good thing for the countries that have no hostility against each other and it will gonna strengthen their friendships but for the countries that are at war, it would be nothing but just a game.

But i think if both parties were invited to the world cup it would have caused a one month distraction who knows maybe Putin would have channelled the energy and resource budgeted to launch more attack to send the Russian team to Qatar bringing peace on both ends. zelensky seems more liberal but was pushed into his present defensive actions

That is nothing so far that will come discuss concerning Russia and Ukraine in this world cup because their crisis did not prevent them know to participate in in the world cup because what cup is a worldwide interaction in football why their problem is a problem that come from 12 graphical environment which it does not concern the world in one aspect to the other.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 21, 2022, 07:00:55 AM

Why do you think FIFA World Cup will have an effect? Remember boycotts and sanctions during the beginning of the war? Did it help? Did banning Russian athletes help to end the war? Besides, WADA has banned Russia for 4 years in 2019 for participating in any sports world championship events. Even before the war started, Russia did not take part in qualifications. Which means they dont care about this FIFA World Cup.

There is lot of nonsense in your post. Sanctions - it have effect, but not enough. BTW, what you're offering? Continue business like nothing didn't happened and fund war? Yes, WADA banned Russia, but until war their athletes were allowed to participate in competitions under neutral flag. Same applies to their national football team. They participated in qualification and had to play game against Poland. And when they got removed, judging from reaction in Russia, they were really butthurt about this decision.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 21, 2022, 07:00:55 AM

Why do you think FIFA World Cup will have an effect? Remember boycotts and sanctions during the beginning of the war? Did it help? Did banning Russian athletes help to end the war? Besides, WADA has banned Russia for 4 years in 2019 for participating in any sports world championship events. Even before the war started, Russia did not take part in qualifications. Which means they dont care about this FIFA World Cup.

you have mentioned a very valid point and this is exactly what is happening

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Quote from: Lordhermes on November 25, 2022, 03:02:23 PM

Have you noticed that n nation is praising Ukraine or urging Putin to cease fire? People only express concern when you die, as I often say. Nobody even remembers that Russia and Ukraine are at war with each other because the world cup is currently underway. Everyone has left, leaving the two leaders to resolve the situation on their own.

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Have you noticed that n nation is praising Ukraine or urging Putin to cease fire? People only express concern when you die, as I often say. Nobody even remembers that Russia and Ukraine are at war with each other because the world cup is currently underway. Everyone has left, leaving the two leaders to resolve the situation on their own.

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The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is a political conflict there's no way the World Cup will be the reason for both sides to cease fire. Besides, Russia was kicked out of the World Cup qualifier match even since they invade Ukraine but the cease of fire will only happen based on Putin's decision since Ukraine says they are just protecting themselves and not willing to fight the Russian army.

during this time - no one remember that there is a war going and everyone is busy enjoying the game.
people are tired of wars and blood shed and they want to have peace and harmony around. Time to take a break

Right the beginning before the invasion started the Russian shows their impression that Ukraine's invasion is never the solution when the masses protest held and the Ukrainians show they are only fighting this war for self-defense while Putin is saying he had no choice.
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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 21, 2022, 05:48:33 PM

The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is a political conflict there's no way the World Cup will be the reason for both sides to cease fire. Besides, Russia was kicked out of the World Cup qualifier match even since they invade Ukraine but the cease of fire will only happen based on Putin's decision since Ukraine says they are just protecting themselves and not willing to fight the Russian army.

during this time - no one remember that there is a war going and everyone is busy enjoying the game.
people are tired of wars and blood shed and they want to have peace and harmony around. Time to take a break

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The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is a political conflict there's no way the World Cup will be the reason for both sides to cease fire. Besides, Russia was kicked out of the World Cup qualifier match even since they invade Ukraine but the cease of fire will only happen based on Putin's decision since Ukraine says they are just protecting themselves and not willing to fight the Russian army.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 21, 2022, 07:00:55 AM

Why do you think FIFA World Cup will have an effect? Remember boycotts and sanctions during the beginning of the war? Did it help? Did banning Russian athletes help to end the war? Besides, WADA has banned Russia for 4 years in 2019 for participating in any sports world championship events. Even before the war started, Russia did not take part in qualifications. Which means they dont care about this FIFA World Cup.

ukraine and Russia are still fighting and the world cup is going on with full zeal and zest.
Nothing has changed and nothing will change. I dont know why this OP was created.

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Quote from: yazher on November 21, 2022, 06:11:37 AM

Well! that's not how cease-fires work because both parties right now have different agendas and they already sacrificed a lot and they don't want to jeopardize their plan just because of some World Cup. Both leaders have no sympathy for their people because both decided to go on despite the huge casualties and damages because by this senseless war. The world cup might be a good thing for the countries that have no hostility against each other and it will gonna strengthen their friendships but for the countries that are at war, it would be nothing but just a game.

But i think if both parties were invited to the world cup it would have caused a one month distraction who knows maybe Putin would have channelled the energy and resource budgeted to launch more attack to send the Russian team to Qatar bringing peace on both ends. zelensky seems more liberal but was pushed into his present defensive actions

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Why do you think FIFA World Cup will have an effect? Remember boycotts and sanctions during the beginning of the war? Did it help? Did banning Russian athletes help to end the war? Besides, WADA has banned Russia for 4 years in 2019 for participating in any sports world championship events. Even before the war started, Russia did not take part in qualifications. Which means they dont care about this FIFA World Cup.

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Well! that's not how cease-fires work because both parties right now have different agendas and they already sacrificed a lot and they don't want to jeopardize their plan just because of some World Cup. Both leaders have no sympathy for their people because both decided to go on despite the huge casualties and damages because by this senseless war. The world cup might be a good thing for the countries that have no hostility against each other and it will gonna strengthen their friendships but for the countries that are at war, it would be nothing but just a game.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on November 20, 2022, 03:09:31 PM

With the launch of the Russian military campaign against Ukraine, protests took place in many Russian universities and regions, but the Russian police apparatus of repression met them with violence and intimidation. Journalists were arrested because they only published reports or mentioned during their statements the Russian war on Ukraine, and those who did not languish in prisons paid sins and signed commitments not to repeat this under the pretext that this incites citizens to hate.
Even if there were Russians who supported the invasion of Ukraine, I think they retracted their opinion after the wave of sanctions that affected their country.

There were protests, but it wasn't massive thing. Few thousands people in whole country protesting probably can't reflect opinion of majority. Yes, you can say that majority remain silent because they're afraid to get arrested, but when you look at things which are going on in Iran, it's only excuses. Probably risk to protest in Iran is bigger than in Russia, but people still do it.
Sanctions? It has smaller influence than majority expected. I hate to say, but I think that Europe is more affected by their own sanctions than Russia. And unfortunately, some sanctions is easily bypased.

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Reality that majority of people in Russia support war in Ukraine You say that people who fled away to other countries reject war. But they left Russia to avoid getting mobilized. If they would be against war, they would had protested when this war started.

With the launch of the Russian military campaign against Ukraine, protests took place in many Russian universities and regions, but the Russian police apparatus of repression met them with violence and intimidation. Journalists were arrested because they only published reports or mentioned during their statements the Russian war on Ukraine, and those who did not languish in prisons paid sins and signed commitments not to repeat this under the pretext that this incites citizens to hate.
Even if there were Russians who supported the invasion of Ukraine, I think they retracted their opinion after the wave of sanctions that affected their country.

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Why would a war that has nothing to do with soccer cause a ceasefire? The world cup is held in big regard for sports fans but that is where it stops. This is just whatever news that is looking to get clicks because there is no chance that this happens. Ukraine's soccer team still played Scotland when the war was happening I think and that was only for a qualifier. These qualifiers have been going on for months and no one complained about it then. Russia and Ukraine will only stop when one of them has taken big enough losses to make their objective not worth it or they achieve their objective. For Ukraine that means cause enough losses to Russia that they pull out or Russia takes over Ukraine.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on November 16, 2022, 05:02:26 PM

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“My plea to all of you is to think on a temporary cease-fire, for one month, for the duration of the World Cup — or at least the implementation of some humanitarian corridors or anything that could lead to the resumption of dialogue as a first step to peace,”-FIFA CHIEF

Having a fight free time for the world cup event is really a good plea if they are going to listen and have the seize fire. The seize fire has been coming intermittently before now during talks to see if agreement would be reached but unfortunately one of the parties don't keep to it but if this time, it is kept all through the duration of the world cup which is one month, it can allow the both government to have a rethink, compromise and reach out for themselves, it is possible for tempers to calm down . However sometimes it is baffling that we are talking about the Russian and Ukraine war as if it was a script of nollywood on war adventure acted on the soil of Ukraine. For God sake we are talking about war that human beings are killed on daily basis but taken as drama.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on November 20, 2022, 06:35:45 AM

Given that both Russia and Ukraine are at war, it was unfair to exclude Russia from the World Cup and invite Ukraine. FIFA would have kept politics out of football. But it is the past, and Russia is now being punished for invading. We shouldn't disregard Putin's words. (NO RUSSIA NO WORLD CUP)
We still have a few hours until the World Cup; would Putin's threats come true? Oh, I'm afraid. Putin is hardly a man to laugh with, after all.

WTF did you wrote? Who invited Ukraine to World Cup to replace Russia? Open list of World Cup participants and show me Ukraine. They haven't qualified because they lost to Scotland. And Russia actually weren't removed from World Cup, they got removed from qualifiers. There is no guarantee that they would had qualified, as they had to beat Poland first and then Sweden.
So, contnue posting nonsense Wink

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Following the same logic, we should enmity the people of any country that is colonized by another. Politics has never been a true expression of the will of the people, as evidenced by the fact that many Russians reject the war on Ukraine, and this was proven during the call-up of reservists, many of whom fled to neighboring countries, and others were sued for refusing to join the service in the war.

If any party is to be punished in this way, then it would be better for Iran to be deprived of joining the global patrols against the backdrop of its nuclear project, against which the whole world stands. America, too, could have been punished in the same way during its war on Iraq.
That we deal with Russian players or Russian citizens who do not have a political identity does not mean that we are supportive of Russia's war on Ukraine or that we are negligent with Ukraine.

Wars in the world will not end, and sporting events must be neutralized from all forms of conflict.

Reality that majority of people in Russia support war in Ukraine You say that people who fled away to other countries reject war. But they left Russia to avoid getting mobilized. If they would be against war, they would had protested when this war started.
Sports always been mixed with politics, especially in Russia. It would be simply not fair to let them play in Wolrd Cup, like nothing didn't happened. It's called collective responsibility. Whole population of Russia is responsible for decisions of their politics, who were selected by majority of votes.

That is correct - the players can obviously support one thing or other but their main job is to play and not to fight.
But the world cup would not change anything. Like earlier tournament - which didn't bring any change to the society.

Given that both Russia and Ukraine are at war, it was unfair to exclude Russia from the World Cup and invite Ukraine. FIFA would have kept politics out of football. But it is the past, and Russia is now being punished for invading. We shouldn't disregard Putin's words. (NO RUSSIA NO WORLD CUP)
We still have a few hours until the World Cup; would Putin's threats come true? Oh, I'm afraid. Putin is hardly a man to laugh with, after all.

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