Topic: Will Ukraine win the war with NATO's covert assistance? - page 2. (Read 324 times)

Putin is going to do all it takes to let everyone know that he's not afraid of the NATO.
I still don't get it, why help or should I say support a country that's not yet a member of the NATO,  IMO I think these countries especially the US knows what they'll get in return by helping out. Only time will tell.

 Putin's ready to wait every one out: the NATO, Ukraine and any other allies, plus it looks as if the hands of NATO are tied since Ukraine is not fully registered as a member and I also think Biden is a bit skeptic to go all in and support Russia as he's avoiding a possible fallout as well. The painful thing's that for every delay and counter attack, it's innocent lives that are being lost and properties being destroyed.

 

the leaders are laughing. but zelensky is the guy. brave soul. Biden and Xi gives thumbs up to him.
the latest was that when missile hit Poland, NATO was quick to tell the world Ukraine and Russia uses the same made in Russia missiles.

all of the leaders are in g20 meeting in Indonesia including Putin and Xi. they could just be talking there and decide to stop after all they have seen the effects and result of this war. this meeting is just the same as a regular meet up with acquaintances. i can only imagine Putin brags about his weapons. here's a dialogue.

Putin: hey did you see my Kinzhal shoot? finally tested it! awesome!
Xi: (pats Putin's back)
Steinmeier: you hypersonic better explode because if one gets into our hands, we can reverse engineer it.
Biden: sure sure sure so ahh are we ready for the great reset?
Putin: no no no. i want kherson too.
Biden: (face palm) people we talked about this...

I guess this depends of your opinion of "winning", as this is a real life event, not a game where there are winners and losers. I would settle for peace. Russia will never admit that they lost. And when you think about this senseless destruction of cities and lives, do you really think things would heal very quickly?

And even after that peace there will probably be ton of pissed off Ukrainians trying to get their justice one way or another. They will most likely try to revenge all the torturing, raping and pillaging by something Russia will call terrorism. Only thing speeding up the healing would be to overthrow Putin and withdrawing immediately. Ukraine will most likely want their their old borders back so that's going to be an issue as well.

Sadly replacing putin could mean there's going to be even more war-hungry megalomaniac in charge. Putin is going to be hard to beat on that but there are many crazy officials ready to step in.

Ukraine applied to join the NATO, and in a bid to extend it's arm of support, member countries have pledged millions of dollars worth of air defence systems to guard Ukraine against Russia.

Countries that have pitched in to support Ukraine are Germany, the US, U.K, Canada, France, Netherland and Poland.
Germany has sent units of its Iris-T air infrared-guided air defence system, and the first four of them have already arrived in Ukraine.
Weapons from Germany include self-propelled anti-aircraft guns and portable surface-to-air missiles.

The US has pledged to send the NASAMS system, which can also shoot down aircraft, cruise missiles and drones.The US has also given Ukraine weaponry worth more than $15bn (£13.5bn), including the long-range Himars system, Javelin anti-tank missiles, howitzers and Switchblade "kamikaze" drones.

UK, Canada, France and Netherlands are also sending air defence systems.

Poland is providing almost a quarter of Ukraine's weapons from abroad, including T-72 tanks and missiles for its fighter jets. Some of the Soviet-era equipment it has provided has been upgraded to perform better.

Equipment sent by the UK includes NLAW anti-tank weapons and MLRS long-range missile systems.

Since the invasion of Russia in Ukraine,this has turn out to be a massive amount of arms NATO countries have been sending to Ukraine since February. In addition to these, NATO also included extensive training to Ukrainian troops.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18023383

 I'm curious, with all this supplies will they be able to win or is
zelensky just prolonging the inevitable??