Topic: Will You Return Hardware Wallet That Contains 3+ BTC in a Hotel Room? - page 2. (Read 497 times)
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July 21, 2023, 06:53:39 PM
Yes, why not? It's not your property or asset, so why will you convert another person's property into yours? that's thieft. There's one religious lesson we learned one day that says that if you take what doesn't belong to you, then you will never make success with that which you stole. For example, if you take $10,000 that doesn't belong to you, you will just spend the money extravagantly; you can't archive any valuable assets with it. I think it's true, but I have not tried it and have not really seen anyone who has. Whatever one is doing, it's just good to show good morals and have a good conscience because what goes around comes around. Who knows, one day it might be you who misplaced something very valuable to you, and another person will also take it like you did to another.
July 21, 2023, 06:05:48 PM
Keeping what is not ours certainly will not make our hearts calm. So I will return it to its original owner. and if the real owner is unknown then i will try to track down the person who left the place last time. and if it's in a hotel room then it's actually quite easy to track down who the last hotel tenant left the hotel room.
But if we find one on the street lying around then it will be difficult to find the original owner. Unless there is street CCTV that records everyone who passes on that road. Then of course it will help to simplify the search.
But I'd avoid announcing it live over a Radio broadcast or anything like that. because there is a risk that people will come who want to cheat and claim to be the original owner. so it's better to give it to the authorities dealing with lost items such as state security officers.
But if we find one on the street lying around then it will be difficult to find the original owner. Unless there is street CCTV that records everyone who passes on that road. Then of course it will help to simplify the search.
But I'd avoid announcing it live over a Radio broadcast or anything like that. because there is a risk that people will come who want to cheat and claim to be the original owner. so it's better to give it to the authorities dealing with lost items such as state security officers.
July 21, 2023, 05:47:13 PM
The topic has said everything so I want to know the different opinions from forum users. I have done the physical interview with some people and I have seen the different mindsets of people for seen money on the floor or somewhere in their working places.
There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done? If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do?
There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done? If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do?
The incident happens in the hotel room so there is a record who accommodated that room and the owner of that $70k is known, the person who happen to get that money will be known so there is nothing she can do but to return the money and it is the right thing to do.
Regardless of any reward or appreciation, as the person who happen to stumble on the lost amount, I will also return it to its owner. If the owner is unknown, then I will surrender it to the management. There are records and cctvs in a hotel, so it is better to avoid unnecessary troubles in the future and just report the lost money to the management security/lost and found department.
Besides, it is morally good to don't claim anything that is not ours.
July 21, 2023, 02:52:01 PM
The topic has said everything so I want to know the different opinions from forum users. I have done the physical interview with some people and I have seen the different mindsets of people for seen money on the floor or somewhere in their working places.
There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done?
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do? Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do? And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person. But if I am the one, I will also do the same as the woman and if I don't know the person and I can't locate the person, I will take to the nearest Radio or Television Stations for Broadcasting, or if any of the above can not be found in the locality then I will handover them to the police.
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This situation is really that depending on a certain individual because not all would really be minding about having a good name and as long you wont really be located or would be traced up then most of the time the funds There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done?
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do? Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do? And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person. But if I am the one, I will also do the same as the woman and if I don't know the person and I can't locate the person, I will take to the nearest Radio or Television Stations for Broadcasting, or if any of the above can not be found in the locality then I will handover them to the police.
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been found would really be totally not be given back into its rightful owner. We are assuming on having that 3 BTC which is equivalent to 90k as of this moment on which we could really say that it is really a big amount
for most people and even on those third world countries on which on this amount you could really be able to build up a house and buy a car i would say on which if you have seen on your own palms about
acquiring these amounts without having no hardship then for sure you wouldnt boggled up on getting it and wont be having plans on giving it out once again.
Some would really be give out importance with their name and having that pure heart on doing the good thing which there are still people who are really like this way but majority
would always matter on having that easy money into them.
July 21, 2023, 02:45:07 PM
Sorry the seed phrase was also found in the bag with the wallet and there is a possibility that you can transfer the coins to any other wallet. But morality can allow you to do that?
This is really one of the most difficult decisions to make. Let's be honest with ourselves. If a cleaner in a hotel room saw some huge amounts of money in a safe, how would she even know that what she saw was valuable? And how would Someone be working around with that kind of BTC on his or her hardware wallet attached with their passphrase on a piece of paper? The story isn't really that clear to me at all, and at some points it looks nearly impossible to me.
Another thing there is, we know taking what belongs to others is stealing no matter how it's obtained, but if the story is true, the possibility of the real owner of the wallet getting it back will really be small, as the cleaner might not have access to the hotel record where she could be able to get the contact details of the person, and going to the management with such information, there is no guarantee that if they take that hardware wallet they will give it to the right owner, as the amount in there is huge enough for a hotel receptionist to take as a payoff.
July 21, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
The topic has said everything so I want to know the different opinions from forum users. I have done the physical interview with some people and I have seen the different mindsets of people for seen money on the floor or somewhere in their working places.
There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done?
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do? Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do? And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person. But if I am the one, I will also do the same as the woman and if I don't know the person and I can't locate the person, I will take to the nearest Radio or Television Stations for Broadcasting, or if any of the above can not be found in the locality then I will handover them to the police.
I love my Name to be good
This is a dumb question to ask, what do you need our opinions on this case for? I believe everyone here will say they would do the right thing and return the money especially since bitcointalk is a place where reputation is taken seriously but we will never know unless it happens for real. We have seen high rank accounts scam other users or default on loans. IMO taking what’s not yours in any case or scenario is stealing, just because you can’t trace the bitcoin back to its owner doesn’t make it right to claim it as yours. There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done?
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do? Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do? And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person. But if I am the one, I will also do the same as the woman and if I don't know the person and I can't locate the person, I will take to the nearest Radio or Television Stations for Broadcasting, or if any of the above can not be found in the locality then I will handover them to the police.
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July 21, 2023, 02:11:35 PM
The topic has said everything so I want to know the different opinions from forum users. I have done the physical interview with some people and I have seen the different mindsets of people for seen money on the floor or somewhere in their working places.
There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done?
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do? Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do? And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person. But if I am the one, I will also do the same as the woman and if I don't know the person and I can't locate the person, I will take to the nearest Radio or Television Stations for Broadcasting, or if any of the above can not be found in the locality then I will handover them to the police.
I love my Name to be good
A lost wallet with no whereabouts regarding the seedphrase or keys is useless and is basically a very expensive paper weight. If you'd be willing to carry that around you (when some of these wallets even have trackers with them now) you're basically just risking yourself. So it's best and wise to surrender it to the owner or something. As for money it's a different story. I understand that you're trying to be morally right here and all that but at the same time, $70,000 is still $70,000, so while I do not know personally if I'd surrender the money or whatnot, there will definitely be some internal dilemma that I'd be under of lol. And while you're right, a good name's great and all that, you also have to realize that there's no upsides to being poor lol. There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done?
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do? Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do? And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person. But if I am the one, I will also do the same as the woman and if I don't know the person and I can't locate the person, I will take to the nearest Radio or Television Stations for Broadcasting, or if any of the above can not be found in the locality then I will handover them to the police.
Good Name is Better Than Silver and Gold
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July 21, 2023, 02:03:42 PM
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do?
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Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do?
And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person.
The answer is very simple, I'd take it.
Don't know the person, have no way to return it, so I can either leave it as it is for someone else to pick up, or I can take it. I'd choose the second option.
If someone came looking, I'd ask them some questions to verify if they're the owner and tell them that I'd send them the money in exchange for a finder's fee.
July 21, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
What would be the point of keeping it? Just to screw someone else? I would want to talk to the owner of the device and hope that a reward for it’s return was coming to me, but even if it wasn’t there would be no point holding onto this device unless you think removing coins from circulation is somehow your duty as a Bitcoiner.
July 21, 2023, 01:27:22 PM
I'd probably do if it would be surrendered to the rightful owner. One reason is, I cannot imagine myself being in such situation, having to lost such amount. I don't have that much of wealth but I just cannot do such thing. But I am not judging those who would be honest to say that they won't; we all have different principles in life, that is you and this is I. Problem is knowing who's the real owner right? Others would say "you are just saying that but the thing you will do is diffirent...." Who knows ourselves more? I just prefer earning things thru legitinate effort and not by such thing
July 21, 2023, 01:17:21 PM
Just like the one in ask @Stalker22 how does the person know that in the hardware wallet there is 3btc more or with a high value, that I know someone can not see the contents of the balance inside the paper device except its owner, does sanga owner lost all his at the hotel including, the recovery phrase paper records and his smart phone so that the inventor knows the total amount of his assets?
Morally it should be returned to the owner, it is not our right because $70K is a big amount for sure the owner will look for him in the hotel and ask him, or as others say leave it to the police as a safe place, that way you can be called a good person.
Morally it should be returned to the owner, it is not our right because $70K is a big amount for sure the owner will look for him in the hotel and ask him, or as others say leave it to the police as a safe place, that way you can be called a good person.
July 21, 2023, 12:52:36 PM
The true nature of a man is always tested when he comes into a lot of money or have none at all.
The story of the cash returned by the lady may have been possible because it was note and not crypto currency.
Also it could be because of the faith she practices and knows it is wrong to take what doesn't belong to you.
As for the second paragraph where you mentioned the 3+ BTC, a person in their senses who of course has an idea of how BTC works and how to transfer the coins via crypto network, will know they can get away with it or not.
They can if they use a mixer, they can hide the coins without trace because that's how good the decentralized system has developed to accommodate anonymity.
They may be caught if they try to act smart and forget there is probably a CCTV camera or attendance is noted for persons who were in the room.
Besides the hammer of karma that will fall on such person who steals others' property, it is always good to do the right thing.
The story of the cash returned by the lady may have been possible because it was note and not crypto currency.
Also it could be because of the faith she practices and knows it is wrong to take what doesn't belong to you.
As for the second paragraph where you mentioned the 3+ BTC, a person in their senses who of course has an idea of how BTC works and how to transfer the coins via crypto network, will know they can get away with it or not.
They can if they use a mixer, they can hide the coins without trace because that's how good the decentralized system has developed to accommodate anonymity.
They may be caught if they try to act smart and forget there is probably a CCTV camera or attendance is noted for persons who were in the room.
Besides the hammer of karma that will fall on such person who steals others' property, it is always good to do the right thing.
July 21, 2023, 07:17:38 AM
I do not know, but in my country there is a reward for obtaining 5% of the value of deposits if you hand them over to the police or return them to their owner, and if these products are illegal, for example money used in money laundering, then that percentage will be given to you after confiscation.
Therefore, if I were in his position, the best is 5% guaranteed with expressions of thanks, rather than wasting my life and my family because of 3 bitcoins that could end me in prison.
Therefore, if I were in his position, the best is 5% guaranteed with expressions of thanks, rather than wasting my life and my family because of 3 bitcoins that could end me in prison.
Does such law possibly exist because if it does, it will be off great importance because it encourages goodwill and makes people to do right when it comes to finding things that does not belong to them and kindly returning them back to the owner. Sometimes it is good to appreciate people who find missing or stolen item back to the owners because they could have taken it but for the sake of posterity and clear conscience, they returned such item to the owner. It shows how trustworthy they could be.
I have had such experience where my money fell out of my pocket unbeknownst to me while highlighting from a bus a lady right inside the bus while highlighting at the same junction too walking the same direction behind me picked it up and called my attention i turned to her and she handed my money back to me. I was dumbfounded because i had no idea when my money fell out from my pocket.I had to show appreciation but she rejected it and asked me to do same to others if i should ever see such. I was amazed at her kindness and personality.
July 21, 2023, 06:56:15 AM
I have felt the feeling of losing something important and I've got that thought and understanding of how it feels for that person to lose that amount and that could be his entire life savings.
But there's this thought of mine that I should return it to the rightful people if the owner is nowhere to be found. Like I'll hand it over to the police or if there's no police visibility, to the right people where they'll hand it over to the actual of owner of it.
That's why for those that have felt and experienced losing something and then some good people have returned it, you know what to do but to do the right thing and do the favor.
But there's this thought of mine that I should return it to the rightful people if the owner is nowhere to be found. Like I'll hand it over to the police or if there's no police visibility, to the right people where they'll hand it over to the actual of owner of it.
That's why for those that have felt and experienced losing something and then some good people have returned it, you know what to do but to do the right thing and do the favor.
July 21, 2023, 06:39:45 AM
I do not know, but in my country there is a reward for obtaining 5% of the value of deposits if you hand them over to the police or return them to their owner, and if these products are illegal, for example money used in money laundering, then that percentage will be given to you after confiscation.
Therefore, if I were in his position, the best is 5% guaranteed with expressions of thanks, rather than wasting my life and my family because of 3 bitcoins that could end me in prison.
Therefore, if I were in his position, the best is 5% guaranteed with expressions of thanks, rather than wasting my life and my family because of 3 bitcoins that could end me in prison.
July 21, 2023, 04:42:01 AM
The topic has said everything so I want to know the different opinions from forum users. I have done the physical interview with some people and I have seen the different mindsets of people for seen money on the floor or somewhere in their working places.
There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done?
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do? Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do? And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person. But if I am the one, I will also do the same as the woman and if I don't know the person and I can't locate the person, I will take to the nearest Radio or Television Stations for Broadcasting, or if any of the above can not be found in the locality then I will handover them to the police.
I love my Name to be good
There was a story in my locality this week. A woman who is working in a hotel, found $70,000 in hotel room she working and with her good heart, she returns the money to the customer. Now the question other people asked was if the didn't know the person what she would have done?
If you were in the woman's shoe, what would you do? Or if you see such amount as bitcoin in your working place with the seed phrase in aseed plate, what will you do? And probably you know the person and there is no way to locate the person. But if I am the one, I will also do the same as the woman and if I don't know the person and I can't locate the person, I will take to the nearest Radio or Television Stations for Broadcasting, or if any of the above can not be found in the locality then I will handover them to the police.
Good Name is Better Than Silver and Gold
I love my Name to be good
When you got into this kind of situation, I'm pretty sure that experience will leave a battleground on one's mind. Like a battle of doing what is morally right or doing what is practically best for your situation.
If I keep it for my own good, well that's a lot of money is it? I can buy almost whatever I want. But my conscience will haunt me for a lifetime. Trying my best to give it back to the original owner may sound stupid but it is the best and morally right thing to do.
I think the thing here is unless the original owner cannot be found, then you can have it to be yours.
July 21, 2023, 04:37:51 AM
You can have the answer if you take a minute and think about, what if your BITCOIN is lost and someone else find it before you, how will you feel? People like taking advantage of the present situation if it favours them, they don't think about the other person that the favor isn't favoring, the world is full of greedy and mean people.
If I find myself in such situation I will return it back to the owner, it's not mine its someone else's sweat and blood, im not going to swallow that and pretend like nothing happened, there is karma and you will lost something more daring to you with no chance of getting return back to you, mother earth is in a round form and I slowly turns around every time, that means that in this life what goes around will come back around to the good and the bad people.
If I find myself in such situation I will return it back to the owner, it's not mine its someone else's sweat and blood, im not going to swallow that and pretend like nothing happened, there is karma and you will lost something more daring to you with no chance of getting return back to you, mother earth is in a round form and I slowly turns around every time, that means that in this life what goes around will come back around to the good and the bad people.
July 21, 2023, 03:46:57 AM
I would return it, why? hotel is full of hidden camera and you're already leave your personal information on there, so if I steal his hardware wallet and Bitcoin, I would become wanted person by the police. It's not anonymous and I risking my life for $70,000, it's no for me since sooner or later the police will find you.
However the best way to return the hardware wallet when the owner able to sign a message, if not then it's not the owner.
However the best way to return the hardware wallet when the owner able to sign a message, if not then it's not the owner.
July 21, 2023, 03:42:58 AM
The case of finding money in a hotel room and Bitcoin in the wallet seems irrelevant, because unlike cash, you cannot directly use Bitcoin in the hardwallet. No matter how hard you hack into it, it won't work. So the best thing is that you can return it to its owner, maybe you can get a hefty reward for your kindness.
July 21, 2023, 02:43:45 AM
A good name is better than being noted for wrong reasons. I prefer writing my name with a golden pen on a golden book for such reason of me being good.
OP I would gladly and happily return it back to whom ever owns it if I know them otherwise I would make a public announcement for anyone coming to claim it to be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt if they are the true owners of the hardware. What belongs to another is not your own and can never be your own. I think it is bad holding back in your possession what belongs to another for greedy reasons.
OP I would gladly and happily return it back to whom ever owns it if I know them otherwise I would make a public announcement for anyone coming to claim it to be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt if they are the true owners of the hardware. What belongs to another is not your own and can never be your own. I think it is bad holding back in your possession what belongs to another for greedy reasons.
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