Or...
1) Release more shares
2) purchase the Avalons from does who want refund.
3) Swing the vote
4) Pray for Avalon to start shipping after 14th.
5) BTCBTCBTC
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Also,
it is my recommendation to not buy Win.Avalon shares above the IPO price - unless you want to speculate on HorseRider not going for a refund.
According to my calculations, on liquidation, each share would receive a bit more than 0.0185 BTC.
it is my recommendation to not buy Win.Avalon shares above the IPO price - unless you want to speculate on HorseRider not going for a refund.
According to my calculations, on liquidation, each share would receive a bit more than 0.0185 BTC.
Discussion on the HorseRider bulk purchase thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158295.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158295.40
I received an email from HorseRider today to discuss the refund offer as made by Avalon because of the delay in shipping.
Because it was a group order, I think the group collectively has to decide for or against a refund. We just have 16 out of 200 total modules bought by HorseRider - so can't swing the vote one way or another.
If the refund goes through - then we have 2 options:
1. Liquidate and distribute the refunded amount to share holders. As this may be low, I will distribute the 40 BTC or so from IPO too.
2. Or I can substitute the HorseRider Avalon's with other Avalon's I have personally invested in. But I've not invested in 4 units of 4 modules each outside of this - so will need to calculate and destroy the unsold shares.
Because it was a group order, I think the group collectively has to decide for or against a refund. We just have 16 out of 200 total modules bought by HorseRider - so can't swing the vote one way or another.
If the refund goes through - then we have 2 options:
1. Liquidate and distribute the refunded amount to share holders. As this may be low, I will distribute the 40 BTC or so from IPO too.
2. Or I can substitute the HorseRider Avalon's with other Avalon's I have personally invested in. But I've not invested in 4 units of 4 modules each outside of this - so will need to calculate and destroy the unsold shares.
I think this may be the current best choice among the various mining stocks available.
Reasons:
Issuer. Equipment. Timing. Price.
Requirement:
Investment. Patience.
Easy!
Reasons:
Issuer. Equipment. Timing. Price.
Requirement:
Investment. Patience.
Easy!
For comparison, ASICMiner Block Erupter blades producing 10 GHz ave or 12.8 GHz max just sold by ASICMiner for BTC49.99.
That's BTC3.9 / GHz min or about BTC5 / GHz average.
Looking at it that way, WIN.AVALON is a good buy.
That's BTC3.9 / GHz min or about BTC5 / GHz average.
Looking at it that way, WIN.AVALON is a good buy.
Well if you want to compare then you have to take into account delivery dates.
The blades would arrive within a week. When will the Avalons arrive? How much will each GHz of blade hash-power mine in the interim? Without that data a comparison is meaningless: using your logic you could compare to BFLs (which would work out far cheaper on paper - but ONLY exist on paper).
Only thing you can easily do a fair comparison is other batch 3 Avalon securities - as those are likely to arrive around same time and have same hashpower and reliability.
Ok, lets say the ASICMiner Block Erupter (like the name!
) arrives 7 days earlier.A 1 GHz miner is currently (diff = 11187257) expected to produce about BTC0.045 per day on average.
For 7 days that's about 0.315 / GHz earned. So then subtracting accumulated income for comparison:
That's BTC3.585 / GHz min or about BTC4.685 / GHz average.
Probably should take the average (expected instead of overclocked) as the comparison number.
The two become even (at the current diff) in about 31 days. That is, at expected production, the Avalons could arrive 31 days later and the current price of Win.Avalon would still be as good as buying an ASICMiner Block Erupter.
Avalon batch #2 started shipping today. Avalon batch #3 is expected to ship within 20-25 from today then.
Also, each batch of avalon is going to take 2-3 weeks or more to ship. So an order that is ahead in line (like Win.Avalon's is) should have quite a bit of a head start over other Avalons from the same batch.
In the end, you should do your own calculations and invest if you think you will earn a profit.
Also, each batch of avalon is going to take 2-3 weeks or more to ship. So an order that is ahead in line (like Win.Avalon's is) should have quite a bit of a head start over other Avalons from the same batch.
In the end, you should do your own calculations and invest if you think you will earn a profit.
For comparison, ASICMiner Block Erupter blades producing 10 GHz ave or 12.8 GHz max just sold by ASICMiner for BTC49.99.
That's BTC3.9 / GHz min or about BTC5 / GHz average.
Looking at it that way, WIN.AVALON is a good buy.
That's BTC3.9 / GHz min or about BTC5 / GHz average.
Looking at it that way, WIN.AVALON is a good buy.
Well if you want to compare then you have to take into account delivery dates.
The blades would arrive within a week. When will the Avalons arrive? How much will each GHz of blade hash-power mine in the interim? Without that data a comparison is meaningless: using your logic you could compare to BFLs (which would work out far cheaper on paper - but ONLY exist on paper).
Only thing you can easily do a fair comparison is other batch 3 Avalon securities - as those are likely to arrive around same time and have same hashpower and reliability.
For comparison, ASICMiner Block Erupter blades producing 10 GHz ave or 12.8 GHz max just sold by ASICMiner for BTC49.99.
That's BTC3.9 / GHz min or about BTC5 / GHz average.
Looking at it that way, WIN.AVALON is a good buy.
That's BTC3.9 / GHz min or about BTC5 / GHz average.
Looking at it that way, WIN.AVALON is a good buy.
What you are missing is 2 things.
1. Even at 3.6 BTC per GH, the units will be profitable. Sure they won't show a positive ROI in 30 days, but they will in a few months.
2. Re-investment. 20-30% of profits will be re-invested in other mining equipment.
While I doubt we will ever start making our own mining equipment, I'm confident that we will find opportunities to buy other equipment as time goes on. We'll never be ASICMiner. But we can be a good competitive mining asset that earns bitcoins consistently.
1. Even at 3.6 BTC per GH, the units will be profitable. Sure they won't show a positive ROI in 30 days, but they will in a few months.
2. Re-investment. 20-30% of profits will be re-invested in other mining equipment.
While I doubt we will ever start making our own mining equipment, I'm confident that we will find opportunities to buy other equipment as time goes on. We'll never be ASICMiner. But we can be a good competitive mining asset that earns bitcoins consistently.
so 67200 * 0.018 = 1209 BTC for 4 avalon batch 3 miners. Am I missing something? That seems way to high. 1209/336(Ghz) = 3.6 BTC per GHz. Then fees.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
Yes. 70% and more is to be expected.
Hi wisard,
Nice. I'm glad you decided to list.
You haven't specified a minimum dividend percentage. Do you have one?
Put another way, can we expect that at least 70% of profit will be paid as dividends?
Nice. I'm glad you decided to list.
You haven't specified a minimum dividend percentage. Do you have one?
Put another way, can we expect that at least 70% of profit will be paid as dividends?
1. We changed the name from W.Avalon to Win.Avalon as per Ukyo's recommendation. (He is trying to set a standard of first 3 prominent letters for new securities.)
2. We have listed on Bitfunder.
https://bitfunder.com/asset/Win.Avalon
3. I've listed 600 shares at 0.018 per share to test the demand out. Please post your buy offers and I'll fill them out over 0.018 per share every day till 33600 shares are sold.
Thanks.
2. We have listed on Bitfunder.
https://bitfunder.com/asset/Win.Avalon
3. I've listed 600 shares at 0.018 per share to test the demand out. Please post your buy offers and I'll fill them out over 0.018 per share every day till 33600 shares are sold.
Thanks.
Hi wisard,
I like the idea. I'll be watching how things develop.
I like the idea. I'll be watching how things develop.
I mean theoretically in macroeconomics, the perfect savings rate is 30%, so I'm on board with that
if you do split and reinvest 30%, shares would probably hold it's value.
but who knows if you get more hardware in reasonable time then as
you might not want to invest until the coins are mined.
Better option would be to reinvest the IPO income, and to publish your
expansion plans/orders in detail. that would be a reason for me to accept the
lower payout.
interested as long as IPO <= 3btc/ghs.
+1 for bitfunder
but who knows if you get more hardware in reasonable time then as
you might not want to invest until the coins are mined.
Better option would be to reinvest the IPO income, and to publish your
expansion plans/orders in detail. that would be a reason for me to accept the
lower payout.
interested as long as IPO <= 3btc/ghs.
+1 for bitfunder
Total hashing power would be 336GHz.
I was thinking of issuing 67,200 shares (so 1 share = 5MHz).
I was thinking of going with an IPO auction instead of a big sell wall.
I know Avalon had calculated sales price based on 30 day returns. I'm thinking of basing mine on 60-90 day returns. So minimum share price would probably be 0.02 to 0.025 BTC.
Expansion plans. I don't know what people would want. Would you want it so that only 70% dividends are paid and 30% is kept aside to buy more equipment? Or would you rather prefer earning 100% dividends and no expansion (and you can invest in your own equipment or invest in other shares)? I guess I'll do what the majority wants after the IPO.
I was thinking of issuing 67,200 shares (so 1 share = 5MHz).
I was thinking of going with an IPO auction instead of a big sell wall.
I know Avalon had calculated sales price based on 30 day returns. I'm thinking of basing mine on 60-90 day returns. So minimum share price would probably be 0.02 to 0.025 BTC.
Expansion plans. I don't know what people would want. Would you want it so that only 70% dividends are paid and 30% is kept aside to buy more equipment? Or would you rather prefer earning 100% dividends and no expansion (and you can invest in your own equipment or invest in other shares)? I guess I'll do what the majority wants after the IPO.
Do you have a share distribution plan? What will the equivalent hashing power be per share and what will the IPO share price be set at?
demand from my side is definitely there...
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