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Topic: WINTOMATO.com scam 4300 usdt, aftter 2 months resolved (Read 764 times)

newbie
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I need to say you.

WINTOMATO JUST FEW MINUTES AGO WITHDRAWED MY WINNINGS.
OF COURSE PASSED ABOUT 50 DAYS
BUT i RECEIVED MY MONEY!

good luck for everyone
If you are able to withdraw your winning funds then this complaint will be considered resolved. So now you should change the title of this thread to Solved. And share your experience with this casino so that other gamblers can benefit from knowing about this casino in advance.

yes, i made edit. thanks
hero member
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Top Crypto Casino
I need to say you.

WINTOMATO JUST FEW MINUTES AGO WITHDRAWED MY WINNINGS.
OF COURSE PASSED ABOUT 50 DAYS
BUT i RECEIVED MY MONEY!

good luck for everyone
If you are able to withdraw your winning funds then this complaint will be considered resolved. So now you should change the title of this thread to Solved. And share your experience with this casino so that other gamblers can benefit from knowing about this casino in advance.
copper member
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After the release of our new upcoming updates you will change it to positive Smiley


I need to say you.

WINTOMATO JUST FEW MINUTES AGO WITHDRAWED MY WINNINGS.
OF COURSE PASSED ABOUT 50 DAYS
BUT i RECEIVED MY MONEY!

good luck for everyone

I understand correctly you're saying that after the final verdict by CG and the decision to escalate the case to their licensor, gaming-curacao, wintomato conceded and admitted their mistake and paid your winning in full? If so, congratulation. It might be wise to edit the opening post and its title stating that the case is solved.

However, I will still stay on my neutral tag on them due to the fact their dispute resolution is still very poor, being completely absent from the ADR even after given double extension, and the reason of confiscation is not plausible, just like the previous cases. But hey, WT, at least I didn't change it to a negative.
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We take all such cases seriously, and made extra deep investigation of the user, ignored automagical authenticator tools and made manual investigation and as a result the bonus amount had been returned to the player;

I need to say you.

WINTOMATO JUST FEW MINUTES AGO WITHDRAWED MY WINNINGS.
OF COURSE PASSED ABOUT 50 DAYS
BUT i RECEIVED MY MONEY!

good luck for everyone

I understand correctly you're saying that after the final verdict by CG and the decision to escalate the case to their licensor, gaming-curacao, wintomato conceded and admitted their mistake and paid your winning in full? If so, congratulation. It might be wise to edit the opening post and its title stating that the case is solved.

However, I will still stay on my neutral tag on them due to the fact their dispute resolution is still very poor, being completely absent from the ADR even after given double extension, and the reason of confiscation is not plausible, just like the previous cases. But hey, WT, at least I didn't change it to a negative.
copper member
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For us the fairness is number one priority !

The disputed case had been deeply investigated by advanced expertise team and relevant conclusion made;
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
I need to say you.

WINTOMATO JUST FEW MINUTES AGO WITHDRAWED MY WINNINGS.
OF COURSE PASSED ABOUT 50 DAYS
BUT i RECEIVED MY MONEY!

good luck for everyone

I understand correctly you're saying that after the final verdict by CG and the decision to escalate the case to their licensor, gaming-curacao, wintomato conceded and admitted their mistake and paid your winning in full? If so, congratulation. It might be wise to edit the opening post and its title stating that the case is solved.

However, I will still stay on my neutral tag on them due to the fact their dispute resolution is still very poor, being completely absent from the ADR even after given double extension, and the reason of confiscation is not plausible, just like the previous cases. But hey, WT, at least I didn't change it to a negative.
newbie
Activity: 27
Merit: 0
I need to say you.

WINTOMATO JUST FEW MINUTES AGO WITHDRAWED MY WINNINGS.
OF COURSE PASSED ABOUT 50 DAYS
BUT i RECEIVED MY MONEY!

good luck for everyone
newbie
Activity: 27
Merit: 0
wintomato ignored to answer. complaint closed like unresolved. hope casino guru will make desicion to put bad marks to this casino

They did.

The complaint closed marked as unresolved and thus lower the rating of the casino on their platform. The mediator also set a black point. Not sure what that is, but I am assuming that's like penalty score. The next step you can do if you want to proceed with the case is --as suggested by CG-- to file a formal complaint to their license provider, gaming-curacao.

https://i.ibb.co/JdTJskq/the-verdict.jpg

Yes, i will try to write to this email, may be they will help
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
wintomato ignored to answer. complaint closed like unresolved. hope casino guru will make desicion to put bad marks to this casino

They did.

The complaint closed marked as unresolved and thus lower the rating of the casino on their platform. The mediator also set a black point. Not sure what that is, but I am assuming that's like penalty score. The next step you can do if you want to proceed with the case is --as suggested by CG-- to file a formal complaint to their license provider, gaming-curacao.

newbie
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wintomato ignored to answer. complaint closed like unresolved. hope casino guru will make desicion to put bad marks to this casino
legendary
Activity: 2632
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Yes, I'm an asshole
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Wintomato pmed me last time they were active(almost 3 weeks ago). They were concerned about the neg tag I had on them, not this case. I changed my tag to a neutral in hopes that they would be solving this issue 1 way or another. The issue I tagged them for had been solved. Looks like they have just disappeared instead???

Yeah, when I initially contacted their representative to inform them about this case, I actually was hoping they're improving, as they replied to me responsively and immediately came to address the concern here. But that's probably not the case, given they have two open dispute on CG alone, and both were unadressed that CG representative had to extend the deadline by 7 days and 14 days.
legendary
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Contact @yahoo62278 on telegram for marketing

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I will answer your questions one by one. No one from my family registered there. I don’t know about the neighbors, but it’s very unlikely that they could register there, we will also have different IPs with them, they can’t connect to the Internet that my phone distributes. I already wrote about IP, IP is given to me by a telephone provider. Of course, someone from my country may have played in this casino, but definitely not from my device, not from my apartment, and did not replenish the balance with my wallet. I transfer crypto from my wallet, no one has access to it. There can be no intersections on the device, mail or my wallet, that's for sure. About KYC. The casinos canceled my first entry and asked for a selfie with a text that they accepted. I uploaded this selfie to you in the document, you can make sure.
Thank you, I had not checked casino guru I only look at the replies here. The OP and anyone else making an accusation should take that into consideration when opening an accusation and be sure to post all relevant info. If they have replied on other sites, make sure to post that here.

Wintomato pmed me last time they were active(almost 3 weeks ago). They were concerned about the neg tag I had on them, not this case. I changed my tag to a neutral in hopes that they would be solving this issue 1 way or another. The issue I tagged them for had been solved. Looks like they have just disappeared instead???

legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
No reply? [...]
You seem to only be concerned about what is said by casino guru. You have been given multiple replies by the casino but you have not said anything about their accusations? Kinda puzzling IMO.

To be fair, wintomato had previously confident with their findings and were willing to provide the said findings to a third party mediator, but so far their answer was what I quoted below it, no proof or other info provided that could tip the balance of the scale towards them.

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We we identified common IP addresses (non VPN) and also  device fingerprints; We have all relevant proves and ready to provide proves to any legal entity;
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I will answer your questions one by one. No one from my family registered there. I don’t know about the neighbors, but it’s very unlikely that they could register there, we will also have different IPs with them, they can’t connect to the Internet that my phone distributes. I already wrote about IP, IP is given to me by a telephone provider. Of course, someone from my country may have played in this casino, but definitely not from my device, not from my apartment, and did not replenish the balance with my wallet. I transfer crypto from my wallet, no one has access to it. There can be no intersections on the device, mail or my wallet, that's for sure. About KYC. The casinos canceled my first entry and asked for a selfie with a text that they accepted. I uploaded this selfie to you in the document, you can make sure.
legendary
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Contact @yahoo62278 on telegram for marketing
No reply? Wintomato ignored Casino Guru theme. No any answer.
Too much people here try to say that i am abuser or some cheater or another reason. But what we can see? Wintomato ignore and do not answer anything!!! https://kazinoazov.net/wintomato-casino-igroka-obvinili-v-otkritii-neskolkih-1
Everyone can check this Casino Guru forum and check the situation. Casino Guru try to contact casino, but scammers do not answer.
You seem to only be concerned about what is said by casino guru. You have been given multiple replies by the casino but you have not said anything about their accusations? Kinda puzzling IMO.
newbie
Activity: 27
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No reply? Wintomato ignored Casino Guru theme. No any answer.
Too much people here try to say that i am abuser or some cheater or another reason. But what we can see? Wintomato ignore and do not answer anything!!! https://kazinoazov.net/wintomato-casino-igroka-obvinili-v-otkritii-neskolkih-1
Everyone can check this Casino Guru forum and check the situation. Casino Guru try to contact casino, but scammers do not answer.
legendary
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Very simple example is 1xteb. Their reputation on the forum is now below -71°C, as cold as Yakutia but look at all TV channels around the world, big football leagues everywhere you will see they are promoting the service. Advertisers give a zero fuck to it.
Good example. Still, it's worth mentioning that the scams come from 1xBit (the crypto casino/sportsbook), while their sister company 1xBet (fiat casino/sportsbook) is a major player in sports worldwide. For example, it's a betting partner of the Italian Serie A. If you visit their official website (https://www.legaseriea.it/en), one of the first things you see is the pop-up to 1xBet after a few seconds.
legendary
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The real business world is far less transparent.
I will give that to you. True. In the forum we are only pulling the legs of the projects that are advertising their service here. They are using the traffic but they are risking their reputation with us too.

Very simple example is 1xteb. Their reputation on the forum is now below -71°C, as cold as Yakutia but look at all TV channels around the world, big football leagues everywhere you will see they are promoting the service. Advertisers give a zero fuck to it. In our area they are scam but in their area they are a licensed legal business. The transparency is their license.

legendary
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So what secret?
If I tell you how I found out that you are lying and cheating, I am showing you the mistakes you made. You now know what you need to correct and change to cheat and lie better. But it's not only you. Anyone reading (including other cheaters) can learn from your mistakes and do it differently. I agree with you that it's a complicated subject. But we still can't expect public trials just because we as a community believe in different standards regarding transparency. The real business world is far less transparent.
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
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I agree with you here. The Mediation business is a trust business, and there is no guarantee that they won't sell their reputation. Once they build some reputation, Players used to trust them. What if they build a good relationship with the casino company and manipulate the report? There is no guarantee that they won't do that. I already suspect a mediation service of doing such. I can give you an example; the rest is up to you. You can judge by watching the pattern of how they do it.

A few months ago, A guy created a scam accusation against PlayBetr and Betcoin. Then the guy filed a complaint, and they chose a mediation service which was thepogg.com. The complaint thread is here: https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-non-payment/. The result was in favor of the casino. If you see the comment section, You will see only thepogg.com commented on this case, and The Guy who filed the complaint could not write his comment. The Casino itself didn't write anything as well. At first, the casino accuses the player is guilty of fraudulent actions in Sportsbetting. But, Thepogg.com said the player is guilty of multiple accounts.

I am not saying they Manipulated the result. But, It was my assumption based on the case.

I'm taking a risk of derailing this thread and posting something out of topic here, but... regarding Thepogg, you'll probably want to familiarize yourself with their approach on ADR, as already explained here

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What happens after my complaint has been accepted?

Once your complaint has been accepted, and you have provided any additional information that we have requested, we will contact the operator and look to engage a dialogue regarding your issue.
 
At this stage, the only people that can access your complaint file are yourself and our ADR Official. While we are aware that other online gambling communities take a different approach, our complaint management process is managed privately. It is our professional opinion that this provides the greatest possible chance of a successful resolution. Only at the point where we give a ruling on a complaint issue will the file be published to allow other parties to see it. Even at this stage certain information – personal information primarily – will be redacted.
 
When we have an update for you this will be posted on your complaint thread. If you want to add additional information to your complaint or respond to a message we have sent, this is the place to do it. To access your complaint file you will need to log in and then go to the ‘All Complaints’ page where your complaint file will be shown at the top of the page as ‘In progress’.

That said, it doesn't necessarily means I'm against the idea that arbitrator can be biased. Having a third party arbitrator to resolve a dispute has their own merit, namely both conflicting parties can submit private-natured evidences that otherwise shouldn't be shared on this forum. But, one of the downside of an arbitrator, IMO, is that the case is handled and overseen by one person, which would pose to certain degree of the arbitrator misses one or two key points, be it deliberate or not.
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The mediation business is trust business. Once they build a reputation then they can start manipulating cases to benefit their business too. In a case between a regular client and a casino which has good relation with the mediator [he supposed to have, because mediation is his business], I do not see how the mediator will not be biased too.

I agree with you here. The Mediation business is a trust business, and there is no guarantee that they won't sell their reputation. Once they build some reputation, Players used to trust them. What if they build a good relationship with the casino company and manipulate the report? There is no guarantee that they won't do that. I already suspect a mediation service of doing such. I can give you an example; the rest is up to you. You can judge by watching the pattern of how they do it.

A few months ago, A guy created a scam accusation against PlayBetr and Betcoin. Then the guy filed a complaint, and they chose a mediation service which was thepogg.com. The complaint thread is here: https://thepogg.com/complaint/playbetr-non-payment/. The result was in favor of the casino. If you see the comment section, You will see only thepogg.com commented on this case, and The Guy who filed the complaint could not write his comment. The Casino itself didn't write anything as well. At first, the casino accuses the player is guilty of fraudulent actions in Sportsbetting. But, Thepogg.com said the player is guilty of multiple accounts.

I am not saying they Manipulated the result. But, It was my assumption based on the case.
legendary
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I somewhat agree, but don't forget, those marketing investments need to be financed somehow. Wink
If the casino refuses to discuss the case publicly and goes through a mediator that decides against them, that's the only proof we have that they are wrong. Same thing if the mediator sides with the casino. Since they won't share any information publicly in 99% of the cases, there is no other way.
The mediation business is trust business. Once they build a reputation then they can start manipulating cases to benefit their business too. In a case between a regular client and a casino which has good relation with the mediator [he supposed to have, because mediation is his business], I do not see how the mediator will not be biased too.

Everything is complicated, super subjective. A fair solution is to bring everything in the public area and let it decide openly but you, I and everyone know, they have an excuse that everyone will know their secrets which will risk their business. I have no idea what secrets it could be.

In a program if it is designed to add two numbers then it will always add two numbers. So what secret?

My argument is, I do not side for gambling business too. Ultimately it's down to the players how much he can afford to lose. Gambling businesses are protected by their shady terms and conditions. Going to a casino/sportsbook, placing few bets, spend $5, $10 or $100 is fine but when you are going there to spend thousands and expecting you are going to take the house down, then you are a fool. Whatever you gamble, all of these money are already in the debit side of your personal account.
legendary
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It seems no update on the case yet.
They still have 5 days to respond.

Don't always believe all these scam accusations coming from forum accounts. I used to take these seriously and used to think the sportsbooks and casinos are the bad actors but in many cases it became obvious that sportsbooks and casinos are in fact the victim of these abusers. They found an easy way to come here in the community, put pressure with the help of forum members and perform their dirty job.
That's why it's important to evaluate each case separately and objectively, putting aside any love or hate you might have for a user or casino that is involved.

A sportsbook who is spending thousands of dollars in marketing to get clients, it makes no sense for them to scam someone for $4k or even $40k. A decent size casino and sportsbook spend more money than this in a single day.
I somewhat agree, but don't forget, those marketing investments need to be financed somehow. Wink
If the casino refuses to discuss the case publicly and goes through a mediator that decides against them, that's the only proof we have that they are wrong. Same thing if the mediator sides with the casino. Since they won't share any information publicly in 99% of the cases, there is no other way.
legendary
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Now casino do not answer at casino guru site.
More that 3 days passed but they can not sent any evidence to casino guru site manager Bratislav.
I will post here, what casino guru site will decide.

Yes please, keep us informed ! I am very curious about the ending of your dispute with them.

Casino do not repied and can not sent evidence. Seven days already passed.

Yeah doesn't smell good for your money OP, sorry for your loss.

I will wait the 4d left by principle and leave some negative trust to the casino operator, hopefully it could stop someone to send money there in the future, hope it could avoid to risk his money to at least one person. Unfortunately I don't know what we can do other than that  Undecided

Their lack of communication is really disgusting, you are the player, they are supposed to be the professionals, and they really, really don't act like professionnals
It seems no update on the case yet.

Don't always believe all these scam accusations coming from forum accounts. I used to take these seriously and used to think the sportsbooks and casinos are the bad actors but in many cases it became obvious that sportsbooks and casinos are in fact the victim of these abusers. They found an easy way to come here in the community, put pressure with the help of forum members and perform their dirty job.

A sportsbook who is spending thousands of dollars in marketing to get clients, it makes no sense for them to scam someone for $4k or even $40k. A decent size casino and sportsbook spend more money than this in a single day.
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Hi, yes, may be, it is my fault. I saw good welcome bonus deal and tryed to play without any check. Only when i get scammed i try to find any information
hi OP, sorry about the problem you are experiencing but i highlight your statement.  if you continue to do your bad habit (making a deposit to get a welcome bonus) then you will get bad luck soon.

Hello Dear Bitcoiners,

I'm sorry for the late reply;

This player abused our bonus policy, created multi accounts and was obtaining deposit bonuses; Our deposit bonus is the super generous we really give the players significant gifts;

We we identified common IP addresses (non VPN) and also  device fingerprints; We have all relevant proves and ready to provide proves to any legal entity;
Our bonus policy is generous and clear at the same time, we give it only once not 10 times;
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i am being neutral here, but is there no other way out other than returning the capital of users who may have cheated on the 'welcome bonus', after all, it is their money, if you detect a loophole then a temporary ban and refund is the right decision wise because it's not wintomato money.
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Now casino do not answer at casino guru site.
More that 3 days passed but they can not sent any evidence to casino guru site manager Bratislav.
I will post here, what casino guru site will decide.

Yes please, keep us informed ! I am very curious about the ending of your dispute with them.

Casino do not repied and can not sent evidence. Seven days already passed.

Yeah doesn't smell good for your money OP, sorry for your loss.

I will wait the 4d left by principle and leave some negative trust to the casino operator, hopefully it could stop someone to send money there in the future, hope it could avoid to risk his money to at least one person. Unfortunately I don't know what we can do other than that  Undecided

Their lack of communication is really disgusting, you are the player, they are supposed to be the professionals, and they really, really don't act like professionnals
legendary
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In Search of Incredible
Casino do not repied and can not sent evidence. Seven days already passed.
Wintomato representative got 7 more days for providing the evidence to Casino Guru team. They will close the complaint as unresolved if Wintomato team don't provide any response. The behaviour of Wintomato representative isn't professional. We have seen more accusations against them in the past, and the representative of Wintomato rarely showed the responsibility to solve the issues. They are regularly active on their twitter account only. You may create a flag against them if you want.
newbie
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Now casino do not answer at casino guru site.
More that 3 days passed but they can not sent any evidence to casino guru site manager Bratislav.
I will post here, what casino guru site will decide.

Yes please, keep us informed ! I am very curious about the ending of your dispute with them.

Casino do not repied and can not sent evidence. Seven days already passed.
legendary
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In Search of Incredible
Now casino do not answer at casino guru site.
More that 3 days passed but they can not sent any evidence to casino guru site manager Bratislav.
Both parties get 7 days to give replies to the Casino Guru team. There are more than 3 days left for the Wintomato team to provide the evidence to the mediators. Probably they are collecting the evidence for giving it to the mediators. Casino Guru team may close the issue as unresolved if Wintomato representative can't provide the evidence within the given time frame. Anyway, were you allowed to withdraw your deposited funds?
hero member
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Now casino do not answer at casino guru site.
More that 3 days passed but they can not sent any evidence to casino guru site manager Bratislav.
I will post here, what casino guru site will decide.

Yes please, keep us informed ! I am very curious about the ending of your dispute with them.
newbie
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I just went to check the thread on Casino Guru, the last two posts are still awaiting moderation and validation.

I hope OP can get his funds back, if it is indeed proven that he did not abuse the welcome bonus system.

From my point of view Wintomato has a rather vague way of communicating, extremely condescending with OP. And even if OP is a bonus abuser and they can prove it, in my opinion it's always better to keep your distance from such a casino manager, who takes days to respond, and once he deigns to respond is condescending.

We have so much choices and opportunities to play online with cryptos, I'll prefer safe and recognized websites. Too much suspicions and lack of reactivity from their team, even if they are not scamming OP in reality, I think we can find better places to gamble anyway.

Now casino do not answer at casino guru site.

More that 3 days passed but they can not sent any evidence to casino guru site manager Bratislav.

I will post here, what casino guru site will decide.
hero member
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I just went to check the thread on Casino Guru, the last two posts are still awaiting moderation and validation.

I hope OP can get his funds back, if it is indeed proven that he did not abuse the welcome bonus system.

From my point of view Wintomato has a rather vague way of communicating, extremely condescending with OP. And even if OP is a bonus abuser and they can prove it, in my opinion it's always better to keep your distance from such a casino manager, who takes days to respond, and once he deigns to respond is condescending.

We have so much choices and opportunities to play online with cryptos, I'll prefer safe and recognized websites. Too much suspicions and lack of reactivity from their team, even if they are not scamming OP in reality, I think we can find better places to gamble anyway.
legendary
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I'm not trying to mislead the information here. OP mentioned it several times that his account has been blocked by your casino. The user has also mentioned it in the Casino Guru mediation center.

When i tryed to withdrawmoney, they asked KYC, i pass KYC, then casino blocked me

The casino asks for a selfie for verification. I hang and then block, the funds were taken away.

There are two replies waiting for approval in Casino Guru forum. One of those is from OP, the other one is from Wintomato team. I hope everything will be clear soon. @wintomato, has your team allowed OP to withdraw his deposited funds?
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Please don't mislead the formers, the account is not blocked and funds are available, bonus is canceled and bonus related profits;



Thank you. I already made complaint at askgamlers. I will make on other site which you sent. Thanks for help
Have you submitted your complaint on Askgamlers or Casino Guru website? I have found a complaint about your issue on Casino Guru website: Wintomato Casino - Player has been accused of opening multiple accounts.

BTW, Wintomato team has suspected you as an abuser with multiple accounts and blocked your account. Did they also seize your deposited fund? Probably they won't disclose any evidence in the public forum. The Casino Guru team has taken steps to resolve the issue. Don't forget to provide the final update of their decision here.
legendary
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Thank you. I already made complaint at askgamlers. I will make on other site which you sent. Thanks for help
Have you submitted your complaint on Askgamlers or Casino Guru website? I have found a complaint about your issue on Casino Guru website: Wintomato Casino - Player has been accused of opening multiple accounts.

BTW, Wintomato team has suspected you as an abuser with multiple accounts and blocked your account. Did they also seize your deposited fund? Probably they won't disclose any evidence in the public forum. The Casino Guru team has taken steps to resolve the issue. Don't forget to provide the final update of their decision here.
legendary
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Thank you. I already made complaint at askgamlers. I will make on other site which you sent. Thanks for help

I would discourage you from doing so, submitting multiple complaints on multiple arbitrators simultaneously wouldn't help expedite your case. If any, it would only make things works slower because the representative from wintomato will now have to answer to several platforms.

Choose one you preferred --in your case, you've choose AG-- and stick with them until the outcome and decision is made by the arbitrator.
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We reserve the right to cancel bonus if the users ip intercepts with other users IP or Finger prints in your case both ip and fingerprint intercepted with the players who did the exactly same activities, activating bonus campaigns and playing the exactly the same games;

So we had the evidence: 1 IP match, Fingerprint Match and Game activity match, Enough evidence? Guess Yes !


Yes, if i try to my put my phone into airplane mode, then go back, ip is changed. May be i have intersection with ip with some player, but if casino see that player has same ip liek other, why they do not ask for kyc to get bonus, i do not give bonus for such players, you know population of Ukraine? How much people can play from my country and have same mobile provider. I do not know data, but i think that 1/4 of my city citizens using Lifecell provider, like in other Ukraine territory. But casino said that device was same, it is total fake. So now i see that casino find reaason why to to pay winning, and confiscate deposit.
newbie
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Yes, if i try to my put my phone into airplane mode, then go back, ip is changed. May be i have intersection with ip with some player, but if casino see that player has same ip liek other, why they do not ask for kyc to get bonus, i do not give bonus for such players, you know population of Ukraine? How much people can play from my country and have same mobile provider. I do not know data, but i think that 1/4 of my city citizens using Lifecell provider, like in other Ukraine territory. But casino said that device was same, it is total fake. So now i see that casino find reaason why to to pay winning, and confiscate deposit.
hero member
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I'm sorry for the late reply;
You guys have always been late, and that's why you have negative feedback on your profile. You could easily ask yahoo to check the thread when it was resolved and ask him to review the case again.

I accessed from my mobile internet ip.
I know for a fact that when you use mobile data. It changes the IP address randomly every time you turn off and turns on the mobile data. Eventually, it matches someone else IP address. I had the same issue with Bitsler a couple of years ago even though there was no deposit bonus back then. Then I had to record a video proof that my IP address changed every time I turn off it and turn on back. Not sure if the same thing happens in other counties as well. Can anyone confirm if it happens to you as well when you use mobile data?
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I found on gamblescope.com that some play same was scammed at tomatowin site, here screenshot. With totally same reason
https://imgur.com/a/dG0licb
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Thank you. I already made complaint at askgamlers. I will make on other site which you sent. Thanks for help
legendary
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Sending messages and posting reviews won't help with your case. Wintomato claims you had multiple accounts and abused their casinos bonuses. You claim that you never did that. There doesn't seem like there is any room to find any agreement between you two.

Get a casino mediator involved and present the case to them. I will post a few link where you can ask. Post the links to any open complaints so we can follow the development of the case.

Casino Guru 
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newbie
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Hello Dear Bitcoiners,

I'm sorry for the late reply;

This player abused our bonus policy, created multi accounts and was obtaining deposit bonuses; Our deposit bonus is the super generous we really give the players significant gifts;

We we identified common IP addresses (non VPN) and also  device fingerprints; We have all relevant proves and ready to provide proves to any legal entity;
Our bonus policy is generous and clear at the same time, we give it only once not 10 times;


Even  his Bitcointalk account is not genuine; Newly created only for scam acquisition;

It is my first account on this site. I tryed to find any place where i can report you like big scammers who steal money with fake reasons. And i will try to sent this messages where possible.
newbie
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So you claim this is your first and only account and you have never had one before on Wintomato where you have also used welcome and deposit bonuses to your advantage?
Where and how did you create this account?
Do you access it from your home or public IPs?
Personal or shared computers?
Do you use VPN or change your IP for any reasons?
Do you share your home with family or friends who might be gambling on Wintomato?

Hi. Yes it was my first deposit there. First account.
I created my account few days ago, on my laptop which are used only by me.
I accessed from my mobile internet ip.
It is my laptop, on i used it. no friends, parents, sisters or other persons.
No, i do not used vpn. I do not need it.
No, i do not shared computer with someone. I not know people from my friends who played this casino before.
legendary
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Even his Bitcointalk account is not genuine; Newly created only for scam acquisition;
That happens and isn't unusual. People make very little research about the sites and services they use before handing over their money. It's only when things go sideways that they begin investigating. And then threads pop up where they say I used this exchange/wallet/casino but I got scammed, or something similar.

Good question but no reply Smiley
OP hasn't logged in today. I guess there will be a reply when he returns to the forum.
copper member
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Good question but no reply Smiley

So you claim this is your first and only account and you have never had one before on Wintomato where you have also used welcome and deposit bonuses to your advantage?
Where and how did you create this account?
Do you access it from your home or public IPs?
Personal or shared computers?
Do you use VPN or change your IP for any reasons?
Do you share your home with family or friends who might be gambling on Wintomato?
copper member
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Hello Dear Bitcoiners,

I'm sorry for the late reply;

This player abused our bonus policy, created multi accounts and was obtaining deposit bonuses; Our deposit bonus is the super generous we really give the players significant gifts;

We we identified common IP addresses (non VPN) and also  device fingerprints; We have all relevant proves and ready to provide proves to any legal entity;
Our bonus policy is generous and clear at the same time, we give it only once not 10 times;


Even  his Bitcointalk account is not genuine; Newly created only for scam acquisition;
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
The scam accusation that yahoo tag him is already resolved since the victim itself confirmed that he already get the money and also the reference topic for the scam accusation is already changed to resolved title.

The only issue was the resolution on this issue is very questionable because the OP suddenly change of heart probably he was offered a deal to get out his money.

Yes, it was resolved but they don't post publicly how it was resolved so there is no clear statement that's why you still need to be careful or instead don't ever use their service again. There are other trusted casinos in our gambling section with high reputations so how did he go and play on that sites? And most of the victims are newbies also it has still active flag that never been resolved until now.

They did, but later retract it because apparently it violates the agreement they made with wintomato; that they'll not share the outcome reached upon internal discussion between both parties. Quite unfortunate for wintomato that I happened to watch that case closely, so I was aware of one certain missing post. Well... we know there are several platforms that works alongside this forum to archive everything, so... anyone curious can see what's the post was, we know which site(s) to visit.

I am inviting and notifying them about this accusation through telegram as their last onli date was back in the late of February.


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The scam accusation that yahoo tag him is already resolved since the victim itself confirmed that he already get the money and also the reference topic for the scam accusation is already changed to resolved title.

The only issue was the resolution on this issue is very questionable because the OP suddenly change of heart probably he was offered a deal to get out his money.


I should probably consider to revise my tag to a neutral as the old claim was settled, but you are correct in assuming the issue was questionable. Someone won and should be paid the full amount and of course a "deal" was reached in private. Why does a "deal" need to be made? Site can either afford to pay players or it cannot.

I'll see what happens here before revising my tag.
legendary
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So you claim this is your first and only account and you have never had one before on Wintomato where you have also used welcome and deposit bonuses to your advantage?
Where and how did you create this account?
Do you access it from your home or public IPs?
Personal or shared computers?
Do you use VPN or change your IP for any reasons?
Do you share your home with family or friends who might be gambling on Wintomato?
legendary
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The scam accusation that yahoo tag him is already resolved since the victim itself confirmed that he already get the money and also the reference topic for the scam accusation is already changed to resolved title.

The only issue was the resolution on this issue is very questionable because the OP suddenly change of heart probably he was offered a deal to get out his money.

Yes, it was resolved but they don't post publicly how it was resolved so there is no clear statement that's why you still need to be careful or instead don't ever use their service again. There are other trusted casinos in our gambling section with high reputations so how did he go and play on that sites? And most of the victims are newbies also it has still active flag that never been resolved until now.
legendary
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our email conversation:

After deep investigation we identified your account directly rekated with several accounts farming deposit bonuses, this approach is strongly against our bonus policy, as a result your account has been banned and bonus canceled;

Hi, i see you declined withdraw and ask for selfie. I provide it.
They canceled the withdrawal and asked you for a selfie so they could review your account and match the selfie with your KYC, and discover multiple accounts; then, they decided to cancel your bonuses and disable the account. If you have already created a multi-account to obtain deposit bonuses, then you have already violated the bonus policy of their platform, so why do you want them to give you back the bonus that you got illegally? What I have seen of the topics issues accusing scams against the WINTOMATO platform here is that they have been resolved; in addition to that, WINTOMATO has good ratings on many review sites with a lot of positive feedback, but the terms and rules of their platform, whoever violates them should not blame them, I hope they come here to explain more about your issue, Hoping that they will return your deposit to you, but the bonus I don't think you deserve, because you didn't provide any evidence that you didn't actually violate their policy.
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I feel sorry for the situation. Can you also make sure how much you have deposited and if you were able to withdraw any funds before this situation?

As I can see the wintomoto official account has already Negative tagged by one of the reputed members. After that, they still did not come to solve the issue and they are now inactive since February 27, 2023, 04:19:10 PM, So the chance is very lower to get resolved the issue.

Some text for you, It's sure that you have searched about first deposit bonus sites, next time make sure you have also searched about the reputation of the site before creating or making a deposit.
newbie
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our email conversation:


Wintomato Support
12:33 (6 hours ago)
to me

Hello,



After deep investigation we identified your account directly rekated with several accounts farming deposit bonuses, this approach is strongly against our bonus policy, as a result your account has been banned and bonus canceled;

Regards

WTM

 

 

 

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Email: [email protected]

Web:   wintomato.com

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Registered Office Address: 9 Barrack Road Belize City, Belize


 

 

 

From: dmytro hazibar
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 1:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: wintomato verification for user dmytro999

 

Hi, i see you declined withdraw and ask for selfie. I provide it.
hero member
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Hi, yes, may be, it is my fault. I saw good welcome bonus deal and tryed to play without any check. Only when i get scammed i try to find any information

The wintomato statement suggest that you create multiple account to get the bonus. This is what I understand on creating new account. Did you have multiple account or do you create account after you disconnected and can’t access your original account.

Providing chat logs screenshot as proof will helpful to easily overview your case. You can use imgur to upload screenshot.
newbie
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Have you check the profile link under trust? There is still unresolved scam accusation against them so why did you still gamble on this site even though it's already tagged with negative trust?

I think it would be better if you publicly post all screenshots as your proof because I see one of the scam accusations against them has been resolved by posting all proof including screenshots.
Don't expect much if your case can be resolved since they already have a bad reputation here.

Hi, yes, may be, it is my fault. I saw good welcome bonus deal and tryed to play without any check. Only when i get scammed i try to find any information
hero member
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🇵🇭
Have you check the profile link under trust? There is still unresolved scam accusation against them so why did you still gamble on this site even though it's already tagged with negative trust?

I think it would be better if you publicly post all screenshots as your proof because I see one of the scam accusations against them has been resolved by posting all proof including screenshots.
Don't expect much if your case can be resolved since they already have a bad reputation here.

The scam accusation that yahoo tag him is already resolved since the victim itself confirmed that he already get the money and also the reference topic for the scam accusation is already changed to resolved title.

The only issue was the resolution on this issue is very questionable because the OP suddenly change of heart probably he was offered a deal to get out his money.

There’s still a chance for this will resolve if the accusation is legit since Wintomato is checking issues in the forum.
legendary
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Have you check the profile link under trust? There is still unresolved scam accusation against them so why did you still gamble on this site even though it's already tagged with negative trust?

I think it would be better if you publicly post all screenshots as your proof because I see one of the scam accusations against them has been resolved by posting all proof including screenshots.
Don't expect much if your case can be resolved since they already have a bad reputation here.
newbie
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What happened::
Yesterdat (9 march) i registred and site wintomato.com and made deposit with welcome bonus. I made all wager and trying to withdraw 1000 usdt, site asked selfie with special text. I sent it, and after this i made withdraw 4280 usdt. After few minutes Site disconnected and i received email that my account is suspended in "Creating new accounts for obtaining the deposit bonuses is breach of fair gambling rules and we impose strong fines against such actions"

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wintomato-3346646
wintomato.com

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wintomatocom-dice-slots-sport-betting-5345091

Amount Scammed: ABOUT 4280 USDT
Payment Method: usdt
Proof of Payment:
https://tronscan.org/#/transaction/4dc5b39fb230872e9c52e320c2d35ac47f8b43aab31cdb4ea58ff5b94c7d27d3

PM/Chat Logs: If need i can provide email screenshot where they wrote reason (reason:Creating new accounts for obtaining the deposit bonuses is breach of fair gambling rules and we impose strong fines against such actions; As a result your account will be disabled and bonus canceled;

Regards

WTM")
Additional Notes: I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.
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