Topic: With a 99% drop in value of Crytpo Will the Morons Move On?? - page 2. (Read 413 times)

What do you mean with the crypto balloon is popped? The bitcoin price dropped below 17k USD and now everything is over? I don't think so, this was only a minor setback and the market will recover soon again. I can understand your frustration about the short term traders and speculators that make the bitcoin price so volatile. Unfortunately I don't see any chance for them to leave the market. Prices could fall back to 3000 USD and many investors would be hurt, but with such a low price investors would start buying heavily again to bring the price back up. A stable bitcoin market would make many things much easier, it just doesn't seem very realistic at the moment. The big problem is also that many people bought their coins above 20k USD, so if the price would ever drop below 10k USD I am sure that many people would never consider selling. Personally I would rather keep my coins until eternity and leave them to my family than to sell them at such low levels.

bitcoin does have underlying value supporting it. meaning there is a non-zero bottom everyone on the planet eventually refuses to go below

even with all the exchange drama of liquidations  and earlier year collapse of sidechains. bitcoin has shown a good support above $15k

if you work out the cheapest mining cost on the planet this year. this again is $15k. meaning the cheapest costs on the planet to acquire bitcoin is $15k. and no one wants to sell at losses below this

yes the market price above this underlying value line is speculative where people pay a premium above minimum due to personal circumstances.

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however other coins market prices are very much speculating a a very high premium far far above their own underlying value lines

ETH for instance has a underlying value line of under $40 since it flipped to PoS
however the price is $1.2k. which shows alot of premium/speculated hype compared to value

if you look at the market wiggles of speculation. you see the shape of the line following near the shape of the line of bitcoin.


this means ETH is propped up and speculating at an unrealistic high.. and also that its stupidly trying to trace the bitcoin movements

ETH is not moving much due to high usage of its tokenised NFT crap.
where an independent market would have its own wiggles that are randomly different to other markets if a truly independent part of its own utility
(though it does show some variety to the btc wiggles)..


 the fact that eth's markets are showing similar wiggles to bitcoin on the charts. shows that ETH is propped up and trying to stay inline with bitcoin at a ~1:14 btc:eth ratio even though from a value point of view ETH should have corrected to a 1:98 ratio with eth market dropping to sub $100


in short
bitcoins market is very close to value. brushing right against it and a great time to buy.
ethereum is hyped up bubble speculated premium far above value. being propped up by speculators trying their hardest to keep it (kinda pegged) to a bitcoin conversion rate of under 20.. but it cant survive/sustain at this hyped up rate forever

I understand the big point that you are driving at. The huge problem is that we are living in an open space and the whole cryptocurrency industry is open to anyone...nobody will be investigating anyone to be able to enter here. And so we can see bad and good actors doing business in crypto...and I think this is going to be true into the future. What transpired in FTX and its Sam Bankman Friedman - what a name sporting the word bank but we later realized he just FRIED us - is  big wake-up call to all to never, ever fully trust any platform doing business in crypto even including Binance so they can feel that they should be working to earn that elusive trust everyday. There should be a way to make these bad actors accountable and a good way to protect their investors.

Yes, the carpet-baggers are the exchanges, tokens, and ... blah

I'm just advocating that if we fall back to pre 2012 we'll be just fine without all the morons and common criminals;

BITCOIN in and of itself is fine; It's neutral and it still seems that the code-base is honest;

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The problem is the GOV created bankman-ponzi, and now they'll regulate bitcoin because of the criminal mis-deeds

The good news is that 98% of the world doesn't give a fuck about USA regulations, its only in the penal colony called USA that their reg's matter

Remember trumps wall is to keep the tax-cows contained and not able to leave

The overall opinion of the crypto community is not positive and you can see it on most of the major crypto social networks. The majority of the negativity is directed at exchanges, and also lending platforms. In fact, there is more negativity with cryptocurrency services than with developers, projects or even ICOs.

In the future, hopefully, a more sustainable and reasonable crypto market will emerge from the ashes of these ponzi scams. This is part of a revolutionary process that is based on separation between useful services from garbage and scams. After this separation - free market will do rest. I know this is overly-optimistic but we will just have to wait and see. Nothing else. Apart from that, I believe the future of decentralized exchanges is bright; they are surely growing in numbers and will continue to draw in more and more users. At least crypto community is learning from its mistakes and trying to improve. And in the end, that is what matters most.

Talking about the exchanges here, and NOT about BITCOIN, there are now 20k shit-coins, most are shit 99%

The exchanges are the fucking problem, long ago if determined the value of btc p2p met in a park and traded a bag of cash; Price is what people will pay;

The exchanges created tokens and defi, and various other pet rocks that are soon to be 99% worthless;

The question is will the morons leave when ALL the fucking money is gone??

BITCOIN will live on, possibly even at $1k or less so fucking what; It was never about the money, or getting rich easy, it was always about FREEDOM

Morons will not move on they will still lurk and wait for the hype and buy at PEAK and sell at the Bottom.   They will observe BTC bleeding but won't do anything and laugh at people buying in the market.  Then they will get fomo'ed once the Bitcoin price rally and buy at the Bitcoin ATH.


The government had already took noticed of Bitcoin so it is quite impossible to go back where there is no government interventions and regulation.


I hope you can provide us with good proof on this one, I almost have the same thought but I cannot prove it so I decided that the idea is moot, so I hope you do have the evidence .

this is impossible, take a good look at the current scenario, we are heading towards KYC shit, there is no going back. there's no way to go back in time, today the market is very big, in a few months this FTX case will be part of the past and people (at least people who haven't lost money on this exchange) will have forgotten all about it and another exchange appears that people will deposit money again, centralization will only get worse with the entry of laws that governments will create. It's a matter of time before we see these laws


you wish rich people wouldn't buy bitcoin to make a profit?



the price of bitcoin will not drop to $3k, as I said, this market is already very big, the price is only going down to 15000$ because it has this FTX problem, but the market will recover

This is the reason why a number of Bitcoin supporters are somewhat happy with what's going on in the crypto industry right now; because this is one of the biggest illustrations of how crypto shouldn't be. Crypto shouldn't have been about centralized exchanges and lending platforms and investments for annual yield and staking and so on.

So, in a away, what's happening right now is helping the crypto market shake off those unsustainable, insecure, or simply unreasonable designs of crypto projects, platforms, services, and so forth.

In a way, the crypto market is going through catharsis right now. From a certain viewpoint, this is actually healthy to the industry. Some crypto services and products are not meant to last as they are only damaging the very vision of Satoshi and the spirit of Bitcoin.

I doubt it. Some will stay and the landscape won't change that much. If anything, I bet regulation and government will take more control over it so they can be the major shareholders of the asset as usual. Still, at least people have the choice of not using those centralized services and keep it P2P instead. I bet we will get the same experience (exchange failure, a major hack etc) in the future whether we like it or not.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

We need to get back to SATOSHI-101 crypto, that is no gov, no exchange, just p2p like minded libertarian humans

In the past ten years Crypto had been taken over by every low life form of human parasite on earth, to get rich quick or financially fuck their fellow human beings

now that the crypto balloon is popped going forward can all the parasites just leave? Is that asking too much??

The exchanges and their 100x leverage, and pulling NFT's & Tokens out of their ass calling them assets, and the 20k shit-coins just created a lot waste of energy, but the good new is its all now worthless;

So BTC reverts to $3k, and ETH reverts to $300, but ETH is now fucked with stake they are now compromised by US-GOV, so its now ETC going forward the only real ETH algo, with no ownership by US-GOV who wants to block/ban addresses that are not dot-gov approved, they'll do the same thing with BTC in time if you dumb bitches allow it

ALLOW ME TO DEFINE 99% drop, I'm not talking about BTC I'm talking about the ASSHOLES that FINANCIALIZED BTC


Talking about the exchanges here, and NOT about BITCOIN, there are now 20k shit-coins, most are shit 99%

The exchanges are the fucking problem, long ago if determined the value of btc p2p met in a park and traded a bag of cash; Price is what people will pay;

The exchanges created tokens and defi, and various other pet rocks that are soon to be 99% worthless;

The question is will the morons leave when ALL the fucking money is gone??

BITCOIN will live on, possibly even at $1k or less so fucking what; It was never about the money, or getting rich easy, it was always about FREEDOM