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Quote from: chinapeople on July 29, 2015, 08:02:44 AM

If it was wanted they could make a list, no? We have our real life labeled on exchanges. All the time we withdraw or deposit it gets on the list. Soon they could know most of the wallets connected by us and follow every bit we send?

if you don't want your identity be revealed and associated with your bitcoins using Mixers is one of the options, that is proven to work.
if you don't want that, you can buy bitcoin from someone close to you with cash so that there would not exist any record of you buying those coins and send them to a fresh bitcoin address that you have just created with no connection to other addresses.

GingerAle

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Here's another tool

https://www.blockseer.com/

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I invite people to examine my BTC transactions as GingerAle did with the coinalytics tool (or other similar tools).

Because I am no expert, I am quite interested in having my BTC operations examined by skilled people here at bitcointalk.

I would also be interested in any suggestions as to improving my BTC security.

Thanks!

EDIT: Great thread, a much-needed discussion

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The revolution will be monetized!

Quote from: GingerAle on July 29, 2015, 02:25:17 PM

http://coinalytics.co/tools/tracker.html

enjoy!

RodeoX, at some point ( 2015-1-04) you maybe had ~25 btc, at which point I think you sent it to an exchange.

have you reported the income you made with bitcoin from here?

https://blockchain.info/address/13dh6dNZ3FcXSnJRG8tBCUTvaaRaxgx7rn

Closer! That is one of my wallets. (I don't hide). But the total is off I think? And I'm not using exchanges much anymore. I don't think I used one this year. But yeah, that is some of my BTC. The best way to find out may be to get my tax return. I submit for purchases over $10K. So yes, I report my capitol gains, even though I never sell bitcoins.

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This is why alt coins like Monero and dark coin are doing well. But it depends on the consumer and what features people are after. Not everyone is after being anonymous. Some people just want a good deal and for some bitcoin is sort of like couponing to get a better deal.

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Quote from: NorrisK on July 29, 2015, 02:17:11 PM

it would be very easy to track any transactions back to the originating wallet. therefore, your company balance would be public. (although,most businesses needto share books in their yearly report anyway right?)

But if the coins are moving, then they can't reliably know how much is held at present time. Sure they can all be traced, but that only tells you that at one point in time, the company had X amount.

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http://coinalytics.co/tools/tracker.html

enjoy!

RodeoX, at some point ( 2015-1-04) you maybe had ~25 btc, at which point I think you sent it to an exchange.

have you reported the income you made with bitcoin from here?

https://blockchain.info/address/13dh6dNZ3FcXSnJRG8tBCUTvaaRaxgx7rn

NorrisK

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Quote from: achow101 on July 29, 2015, 01:33:39 PM

Quote from: oblivi on July 29, 2015, 01:12:30 PM

Quote from: unamis76 on July 29, 2015, 11:54:16 AM

Use a different address each time and use change addresses. Don't connect your identity to any addresses and there you have pretty much enough privacy. It's like people said above, if they can track us, how many coins does each one of us has? Cheesy

If you have a business or even as a freelance that requires credentials to get paid, how are you going to not have your address linked to you?

Once the coins start moving, they can't reliably know which addresses you send to are actually yours.

Quote from: oblivi on July 29, 2015, 01:12:30 PM

And if you buy in a BTC-accepting business, how isn't the address you give them not going to be linked to your real name and data?

Even if it is, if you load that address with just the required amount, they won't know about the rest of your Bitcoin. The change will be hard to trace after a few transactions anyways.

it would be very easy to track any transactions back to the originating wallet. therefore, your company balance would be public. (although,most businesses needto share books in their yearly report anyway right?)

sillycerebellum

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Well, maybe someone 'external' can't link your identity to your exchange withdrawal address, but the exchanges themselves no doubt possess all the relevant information. The same goes for any mixers you might use. All depends on the amount of logs they keep, and with whom they share the info, whether it be knowingly or otherwise.

A solutions is to keep the coins moving, preferably into separate wallets. Basically this:

Quote from: achow101 on July 29, 2015, 01:33:39 PM

Once the coins start moving, they can't reliably know which addresses you send to are actually yours.

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Quote from: oblivi on July 29, 2015, 01:12:30 PM

Quote from: unamis76 on July 29, 2015, 11:54:16 AM

Use a different address each time and use change addresses. Don't connect your identity to any addresses and there you have pretty much enough privacy. It's like people said above, if they can track us, how many coins does each one of us has? Cheesy

If you have a business or even as a freelance that requires credentials to get paid, how are you going to not have your address linked to you?

Once the coins start moving, they can't reliably know which addresses you send to are actually yours.

Quote from: oblivi on July 29, 2015, 01:12:30 PM

And if you buy in a BTC-accepting business, how isn't the address you give them not going to be linked to your real name and data?

Even if it is, if you load that address with just the required amount, they won't know about the rest of your Bitcoin. The change will be hard to trace after a few transactions anyways.

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Quote from: unamis76 on July 29, 2015, 11:54:16 AM

Use a different address each time and use change addresses. Don't connect your identity to any addresses and there you have pretty much enough privacy. It's like people said above, if they can track us, how many coins does each one of us has? Cheesy

If you have a business or even as a freelance that requires credentials to get paid, how are you going to not have your address linked to you?
And if you buy in a BTC-accepting business, how isn't the address you give them not going to be linked to your real name and data?

unamis76

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Use a different address each time and use change addresses. Don't connect your identity to any addresses and there you have pretty much enough privacy. It's like people said above, if they can track us, how many coins does each one of us has? Cheesy

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Quote from: Kazimir on July 29, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Quote from: chinapeople on July 29, 2015, 08:02:44 AM

If it was wanted they could make a list, no? We have our real life labeled on exchanges. All the time we withdraw or deposit it gets on the list. Soon they could know most of the wallets connected by us and follow every bit we send?

Suppose you withdraw 2 BTC from an exchange, and you do a couple of payments:

Now which of the wallets on the right are yours?

Nobody can tell.

Pretty much this.

Taint analysis gives too many false positives to prove that someone controls/owns an address.

RodeoX

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The revolution will be monetized!

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Quote from: RodeoX on July 29, 2015, 09:10:32 AM

Nope. If we can all be listed then start with me. How many coins do I have?

18.653, now you must send me one! Honestly it would all be guess or speculation without the cooperation of merchants and users you have made trades with and following the coins.

On the nose!!! Shocked

lol, no.

The point, I suppose, is that if you want additional privacy then you must do additional work. Seems fair.

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In Satoshi I Trust

Quote from: GTO911 on July 29, 2015, 08:13:32 AM

You are at the wrong place, privacy isnt much talked about here, because Bitcoin has privacy as worse as it could get. Bitcoin is the wet dream of governments, where every transaction or everyone can be tracked.

The reply you might get mostly is - privacy is for criminals, ignore those dumb people, because

well no, Paypal and Credit Cards are that dude.

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Quote from: chinapeople on July 29, 2015, 08:48:17 AM

Quote from: Biitcoin on July 29, 2015, 08:36:00 AM

It's probably no body's fault and it's your own fault , it's your fault thatyou have your life in exchange and you provide them with your real informations .
You could use a new bitcoin adress for each transaction like Satoshi said and you should be just fine .

Starting with Bitcoin it is what called out to me. I am told is all anonymous and I can send where I want. People go to jail if their finance exit the country. It should not be this way. Bitcoin makes this different, but you have to hike a mile just to hide your face when wanted. Angry

Can a mixer help? Perhaps. Can it make you completely anonymous? Probably not. The problem is that so many people think something like a mixer will protect them completely, and then they do things they shouldn't be doing and end up in a lot of trouble

achow101

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Also, if you don't get your Bitcoin from exchanges, then you won't have an identity associated with your coins. If you do work for Bitcoins or mine them, and at no point involve an exchange, you still get Bitcoin and there won't be an identity associated with your coins. Furthermore, with Bitcoin addresses, even if you can trace Bitcoin transactions, you can't know for sure whether the next address is the same person or a different one.

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Quote from: Kazimir on July 29, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Quote from: chinapeople on July 29, 2015, 08:02:44 AM

If it was wanted they could make a list, no? We have our real life labeled on exchanges. All the time we withdraw or deposit it gets on the list. Soon they could know most of the wallets connected by us and follow every bit we send?

Suppose you withdraw 2 BTC from an exchange, and you do a couple of payments:

Now which of the wallets on the right are yours?

Nobody can tell.

Ok then, I see what you mean by that. I may just worry too much.

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Quote from: chinapeople on July 29, 2015, 08:02:44 AM

If it was wanted they could make a list, no? We have our real life labeled on exchanges. All the time we withdraw or deposit it gets on the list. Soon they could know most of the wallets connected by us and follow every bit we send?

Suppose you withdraw 2 BTC from an exchange, and you do a couple of payments:

Now which of the wallets on the right are yours?

Nobody can tell.

chinapeople

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Quote from: RodeoX on July 29, 2015, 09:10:32 AM

Nope. If we can all be listed then start with me. How many coins do I have?

There are ways it can be avoided, I said this before. It is not an easy thing to do. If I want to sell or if I do want to buy easy I have to connect to my bank. When I connect to my bank I make a foundation of my name on the exchange. After this all, any wallet I have that I sent to my exchange can be added to my list. With little work each of the wallets in my wallet can be tracked back to me also any transactions I make to fill my wallets can be tracked back also.

There are routes I can take to avoid all of this. But it is not as easy as you make me think.

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