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Quote from: FanEagle on July 27, 2020, 03:04:47 PM

^Yeah when you think about it, there are so many things that combine together when you are doing one that the second one is easier. If you are not doing any and you want to start doing just one of them, it will take some time and effort, when you want to add a second one to the first one it will have a lot of common stuff that would help it become a lot easier on the second try which is why I agreed that it could be potentially easier

The task is maximizing your profits in a smart way

But it is rarely a simple, straightforward approach in real life. Oftentimes, you can squeeze more if you thoroughly track and take into consideration all dependencies between various factors that are essential components in the profit-making machinery. It is not hitting on just one parameter, however important on its own, but looking for optimal combination of all of them instead. In practice, it is an art rather than a science

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^Yeah when you think about it, there are so many things that combine together when you are doing one that the second one is easier. If you are not doing any and you want to start doing just one of them, it will take some time and effort, when you want to add a second one to the first one it will have a lot of common stuff that would help it become a lot easier on the second try which is why I agreed that it could be potentially easier.

I do not really know much about real hackers and scammers, I know a bit but not the detailed version, who knows maybe they write one program that just does all the things and create the accounts and simply after finishing the software they just go do another one while the software does everything so they do not spend any more time on it.

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Quote from: FanEagle on July 26, 2020, 12:42:18 PM

Quote from: deisik on July 24, 2020, 06:01:27 PM

Indeed, all things considered and equal, you wouldn't spend most of your time on something which pays less (that I certainly agree with). But it still does make sense to put at least some effort into something which pays less even if your total income will suffer. The point is, it is never "all things considered and equal" in real life, and you don't know how it is going to play out in the long run. It may turn out that spending (wasting in your speak) some time and effort on a seemingly less profitable activity will pay back manifold in due course. Especially when they finally ban you from WinDice

That actually makes sense, what is scary is we have talked about how we could abuse wolf.bet and that would be profitable in the past page or so Cheesy

. I am sorry to wolf.bet personally for such a topic, I just saw it and jumped into it and wanted to share my opinion but obviously it is not a safe topic and wouldn't want to encourage anyone

To tell the truth, I was speaking generally

WinDice just turned up conveniently as an illustrative example to show that more general idea. It actually has a lot of application well beyond gambling. For example, two countries which trade with each other can produce two products. From a naive point of view, it may seem that each country should only produce one product, i.e. the one with lower cost of production, while buy the other from the second country. In real life, however, it may be economically practical to produce both products in either country, although in different proportions, of course, and buy the rest

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Quote from: deisik on July 24, 2020, 06:01:27 PM

Indeed, all things considered and equal, you wouldn't spend most of your time on something which pays less (that I certainly agree with). But it still does make sense to put at least some effort into something which pays less even if your total income will suffer. The point is, it is never "all things considered and equal" in real life, and you don't know how it is going to play out in the long run. It may turn out that spending (wasting in your speak) some time and effort on a seemingly less profitable activity will pay back manifold in due course. Especially when they finally ban you from WinDice

That actually makes sense, what is scary is we have talked about how we could abuse wolf.bet and that would be profitable in the past page or so Cheesy

. I am sorry to wolf.bet personally for such a topic, I just saw it and jumped into it and wanted to share my opinion but obviously it is not a safe topic and wouldn't want to encourage anyone.

While anyone may want to do this, wolf.bet would eventually catch them and would punish them as well, abusing a casino is never an acceptable thing, they are trying to provide some entertainment to people and only the people who legit want to gamble should play here and people who have bad goals about this place should hopefully stay away from it as well. Collecting something for free without actually providing any benefit to casino is probably an illegal thing that could result with jail time as well.

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Quote from: FanEagle on July 24, 2020, 03:51:16 PM

Quote from: deisik on July 23, 2020, 12:14:12 PM

That was probably meant as a reply to my post

The problem with your reasoning is that you, the abuser, would go for as much as technically possible in every possible place out there. So if you can squeeze 1000 from WinDice, you would go for that. If you can squeeze 1000 from WinDice and extra 500 from Wolf.bet, you would try to do that. And while we are at it, it is not a job for you but your bot. It doesn't really care how many times it has to ask for free coins and in how many places unless there is a 2FA in place, of course, and you can't teach the bot to get around it or through it somehow

Yeah, it was to you sorry. Yeah, but if you can go for 1000 windice and you can go for 1000 windice and 500 wolf.bet you go for 1500 windice instead. That is why I am trying to say, I am not saying that people will never spend any time on it, or not saying they will work on it all the time, but when they work on something, isn't it smarter to use that manhours you are putting into this kind of "work" to something that pays better.

Let's say you are aware 18 hours a day, you want to spend all of that working, why spend even 1 minute of it on something that doesn't pay as well as the other one? You will give all the 18 hours to the one that pays well. You wouldn't go 9-9 , you wouldn't go 12-6, you wouldn't even go 17-1 because in the end the more you spend on bigger pay the better for your income.

Ever heard of multi tasking? Human can multi task, what more about bots. In an exploiters mind, as what Deisik stated, they will always go for all not for one that has more profit. We are talking about Bot here. Besides exploiting two sites means you can use your the fake Gmail account twice. Meaning earning 2 in an account of 1. and exploiter will still look for more sites to exploit using the same resources.

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Quote from: FanEagle on July 24, 2020, 03:51:16 PM

Let's say you are aware 18 hours a day, you want to spend all of that working, why spend even 1 minute of it on something that doesn't pay as well as the other one? You will give all the 18 hours to the one that pays well. You wouldn't go 9-9 , you wouldn't go 12-6, you wouldn't even go 17-1 because in the end the more you spend on bigger pay the better for your income

Despite all odds, it makes plenty of sense, however

Indeed, all things considered and equal, you wouldn't spend most of your time on something which pays less (that I certainly agree with). But it still does make sense to put at least some effort into something which pays less even if your total income will suffer. The point is, it is never "all things considered and equal" in real life, and you don't know how it is going to play out in the long run. It may turn out that spending (wasting in your speak) some time and effort on a seemingly less profitable activity will pay back manifold in due course. Especially when they finally ban you from WinDice

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Quote from: deisik on July 23, 2020, 12:14:12 PM

That was probably meant as a reply to my post

The problem with your reasoning is that you, the abuser, would go for as much as technically possible in every possible place out there. So if you can squeeze 1000 from WinDice, you would go for that. If you can squeeze 1000 from WinDice and extra 500 from Wolf.bet, you would try to do that. And while we are at it, it is not a job for you but your bot. It doesn't really care how many times it has to ask for free coins and in how many places unless there is a 2FA in place, of course, and you can't teach the bot to get around it or through it somehow

Yeah, it was to you sorry. Yeah, but if you can go for 1000 windice and you can go for 1000 windice and 500 wolf.bet you go for 1500 windice instead. That is why I am trying to say, I am not saying that people will never spend any time on it, or not saying they will work on it all the time, but when they work on something, isn't it smarter to use that manhours you are putting into this kind of "work" to something that pays better.

Let's say you are aware 18 hours a day, you want to spend all of that working, why spend even 1 minute of it on something that doesn't pay as well as the other one? You will give all the 18 hours to the one that pays well. You wouldn't go 9-9 , you wouldn't go 12-6, you wouldn't even go 17-1 because in the end the more you spend on bigger pay the better for your income.

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Quote from: FanEagle on July 23, 2020, 10:59:46 AM

So at the end of the day, sure if you abuse a+b+c+d places all together, that means small amount for a lot of work in place C wouldn't really be a problem, but when we are talking 500 more accounts, why not put it in the place that gives more? Windice 500 times plus 500 wolf.bet is better than windice 500 times, but worse than windice 1000 times

That was probably meant as a reply to my post

The problem with your reasoning is that you, the abuser, would go for as much as technically possible in every possible place out there. So if you can squeeze 1000 from WinDice, you would go for that. If you can squeeze 1000 from WinDice and extra 500 from Wolf.bet, you would try to do that. And while we are at it, it is not a job for you but your bot. It doesn't really care how many times it has to ask for free coins and in how many places unless there is a 2FA in place, of course, and you can't teach the bot to get around it or through it somehow

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on July 22, 2020, 03:44:06 PM

^People are really going for that sort of thing? I mean sure there has always been some sort of scammers in the world but for such a low reward people would look at it and say "if I have 500 accounts all claiming and all trying to withdraw, I could make some money" and make a bot for it?

I would say it is not even about if they could do it or not but when the return is so small and so difficult, why wouldn't they pick some places that is quicker?

I feel like windice for example just straight up gives money on faucet and can claim between few hours and that is quite easier, why would people pick here to scam when windice is easier to scam? So, at the end I am not even sure if it is about "being able to" but it is I more about "does it worth it" because even for a hacker it doesn't look like it worths it.

So, the whole idea is find places like this, abuse it and if you can find more places add that to the list and just abuse as many places as you can? I am not saying 300 dollars is small but at the same time you are saying abusing with 500 accounts and that has to be both technologically difficult plus would take too much obvious attention that would close very quickly, how are you planning to hide 500 accounts all claiming free faucet everyday and withdraw it whenever they can, not that it is right away as far as I know.

So at the end of the day, sure if you abuse a+b+c+d places all together, that means small amount for a lot of work in place C wouldn't really be a problem, but when we are talking 500 more accounts, why not put it in the place that gives more? Windice 500 times plus 500 wolf.bet is better than windice 500 times, but worse than windice 1000 times.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on July 22, 2020, 03:44:06 PM

I would say it is not even about if they could do it or not but when the return is so small and so difficult, why wouldn't they pick some places that is quicker?

The returns are not small

Anyway, if people still claim the faucet every day with their only account, with 500 accounts you can claim x500 that much. It is between 3 and 9 doges daily which makes it 6 doges daily on average, and with 500 accounts you would be able to bag 3k doges every day. I'm not sure if it is a small amount at all considering that 3k doges is around 10 dollars, or 300 dollars a month these days. It kinda makes sense if you live in some really backward place

Quote from: fullhdpixel on July 22, 2020, 03:44:06 PM

I feel like windice for example just straight up gives money on faucet and can claim between few hours and that is quite easier, why would people pick here to scam when windice is easier to scam? So, at the end I am not even sure if it is about "being able to" but it is I more about "does it worth it" because even for a hacker it doesn't look like it worths it

With WinDice and Wolf.bet you will be able to bag more than with WinDice alone. Simple math

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^People are really going for that sort of thing? I mean sure there has always been some sort of scammers in the world but for such a low reward people would look at it and say "if I have 500 accounts all claiming and all trying to withdraw, I could make some money" and make a bot for it?

I would say it is not even about if they could do it or not but when the return is so small and so difficult, why wouldn't they pick some places that is quicker?

I feel like windice for example just straight up gives money on faucet and can claim between few hours and that is quite easier, why would people pick here to scam when windice is easier to scam? So, at the end I am not even sure if it is about "being able to" but it is I more about "does it worth it" because even for a hacker it doesn't look like it worths it.

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Quote from: dre1982 on July 21, 2020, 12:40:15 AM

Quote from: hd49728 on July 20, 2020, 08:54:39 AM

Enforcement of 2FA for free claim reduces the usages of bot. Some don't like it because without bot they will miss some claim rounds but it is fair enough for the casino owner.

Well writing a bot for such low money and for just 1 claim a day, it's a waist of time

It is a waste of time

But only if you have just one account. However, things may start to look amazingly different if you have a dozen of such accounts (a few hundred would do even better). Then, developing a bot to claim free doges can be quite entertaining, I daresay. To set things straight, I have two accounts at Wolf.bet, while I use and have been using only one to gamble (I needed two accounts to check translations without having to switch back and forth from one language to another)

I think instead of bot or anything else, you could make sure that they put in a 2FA when registering and make it a forced thing, that way you do not have to worry about anything else and you could give the faucet for free as well not that it is anything that worths working for it.

In the end security is something almost all casinos care about and I do not think that we should overlook security, its not like we are talking about design changes or color of the website whatever, this is security we are talking about and a website without any 2fa means that the moment someone manages to get passwords of some people they could get very rich very quickly by withdrawing all at the same time and emptying the hot wallet. Which is why casinos do whatever they can about it.

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Quote from: dre1982 on July 21, 2020, 12:40:15 AM

Quote from: hd49728 on July 20, 2020, 08:54:39 AM

Enforcement of 2FA for free claim reduces the usages of bot. Some don't like it because without bot they will miss some claim rounds but it is fair enough for the casino owner.

Well writing a bot for such low money and for just 1 claim a day, it's a waist of time

It is a waste of time

But only if you have just one account. However, things may start to look amazingly different if you have a dozen of such accounts (a few hundred would do even better). Then, developing a bot to claim free doges can be quite entertaining, I daresay. To set things straight, I have two accounts at Wolf.bet, while I use and have been using only one to gamble (I needed two accounts to check translations without having to switch back and forth from one language to another)

Quote from: dre1982 on July 21, 2020, 12:40:15 AM

If they do it to make sure users are enabling 2FA, just ask it the first time they claim the 7-days streak and not anymore when it's enabled. It's such a overkill

With a bot and an army of accounts, it is no longer an overkill

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It is actually quite cool that they are improving the website in so many ways, there has been a lot of talks about wolf.bet with their new features and better betting strategies and 2fa now and many other stuff. Like these guys know what a casino is all about, it is all about hype, you need to find the gamblers but you also need to give them a reason to gamble, if you give them something to talk, something that will keep the interest, that means you are doing a great job.

Any casino that is forgotten will be the ones that doesn't receive a message for a like a month, this place gets like couple per day, that means there is a lot of hype and attention and interest towards this place, that is what I like about it. Keep on improving and you will become the biggest ever casino in crypto.

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Quote from: hd49728 on July 20, 2020, 08:54:39 AM

Enforcement of 2FA for free claim reduces the usages of bot. Some don't like it because without bot they will miss some claim rounds but it is fair enough for the casino owner.

Well writing a bot for such low money and for just 1 claim a day, it's a waist of time.

If they do it to make sure users are enabling 2FA, just ask it the first time they claim the 7-days streak and not anymore when it's enabled. It's such a overkill.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on July 18, 2020, 12:37:01 PM

Inputting a couple of numbers for the 2FA or confirming an email which is also a type of 2FA isn't time-consuming for me. People that think it's a time-consuming thing, they have to rethink. It conducts to give additional security and if those times come, the one that you have mentioned such as hacks, you are safe. Well, they have a say with it. It's for the faucet which they think is inappropriate but, there's no problem if it's during the withdrawal.

Yes, you do not need to spend that tiny amount of time when you are logging in with picking up your phone, opening up, clicking 2fa, seeing what the numbers are and writing it on the computer. That is probably around 30 seconds, probably not that much. What do you get in return? You are getting 100x better security that will make sure that you will never be hacked unless something major leaks out or you get your phone copied or something.

So yes, it is 30 seconds more each time you login (just stay logged in?) and considering how much advantages it provides, and how easy it is nowadays for hackers to hack stuff, I would say that it totally worths it if you ask me. Of course that is your own decision, if you want your account to be more vulnerable, don't do it.

I understand the point about it's consumed time. It could be a little for you and me but it could be a lot for them. They can easily flee from using it but they wouldn't get the free claim. Just like how we are good with terms and agreement upon signing up.
That enabling of 2FA isn't much a big thing to discuss and it's for the good sake, well, I'll end it here.

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Quote from: deisik on July 19, 2020, 09:15:38 AM

Maybe, they just enabled 2FA for everything related to coin transfers without giving it too much thought other than following the general idea behind this authentication method (i.e. protecting user accounts from hacks). And now we are looking for some hidden motives, and come up with ever fancier guesses, assumptions and far-fetched conclusions. That reminds me of a category of readers who are always on the lookout for new layers of meaning in literary works -- to a great surprise of their authors who didn't mean anything of the kind

2FA is the thing should be mandatory on all platforms because of security on user accounts, the reputation of platforms as well. Why do I mention about the reputation here? If user accounts are hacked and compromised, they will open support tickets that increase pressure on support team unnecessary (with 2FA, the pressure will be less). Some of them do know their faults but they will do blame on the owners and such unfair, bad reacts will bring bad effects on the platform's reputation

Personally, I am not complaining

But then they could just force users to enable 2FA right at registration, right? However, there would be even more complains than right now, and some people would likely not use the casino at all. So it looks like my assumption is not every far from truth after all, i.e. making 2FA mandatory for the 7-Day Streak bonus is a subtle way of prompting all Wolf.bet gamblers to enable 2FA

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Quote from: lixer on July 20, 2020, 08:32:58 AM

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Whatever has to do with fund on an exchange and gambling site, I think we should get extra security. User must have the knowledge and desire to secure their account so that it is not easy for hacker to retrieve all the fund of our wallet.

30-40 second I think it wont be a problem every time we login the site. Account and fund security is becoming more important and should be the main priority and the website wolf.bet has given user to get it.

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Quote from: deisik on July 19, 2020, 09:15:38 AM

Maybe, they just enabled 2FA for everything related to coin transfers without giving it too much thought other than following the general idea behind this authentication method (i.e. protecting user accounts from hacks). And now we are looking for some hidden motives, and come up with ever fancier guesses, assumptions and far-fetched conclusions. That reminds me of a category of readers who are always on the lookout for new layers of meaning in literary works -- to a great surprise of their authors who didn't mean anything of the kind

2FA is the thing should be mandatory on all platforms because of security on user accounts, the reputation of platforms as well. Why do I mention about the reputation here? If user accounts are hacked and compromised, they will open support tickets that increase pressure on support team unnecessary (with 2FA, the pressure will be less). Some of them do know their faults but they will do blame on the owners and such unfair, bad reacts will bring bad effects on the platform's reputation.

The good platform will solve it definitely but such accusations always create something bad.

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on July 19, 2020, 07:19:43 AM

Fair enough. Enforcing the 2FA whether you'll for the free claim or not. I guess just understand it and give them the favor.

Enforcement of 2FA for free claim reduces the usages of bot. Some don't like it because without bot they will miss some claim rounds but it is fair enough for the casino owner.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on July 18, 2020, 12:37:01 PM

Quote from: Taskford on July 18, 2020, 04:24:34 AM

Good explanation though many still doesn't want to do the 2FA since it's bit time eater for someone, But before I used not to like this feature but when hacking strikes I always make sure this thing set up on my account so maybe its good that all players will put it for safety and I'm sure wolfbet see this one that's why they implement the 2FA. But in anycase maybe its best that they explain it to their users so they could fully understand the new implementation.

Inputting a couple of numbers for the 2FA or confirming an email which is also a type of 2FA isn't time-consuming for me. People that think it's a time-consuming thing, they have to rethink. It conducts to give additional security and if those times come, the one that you have mentioned such as hacks, you are safe. Well, they have a say with it. It's for the faucet which they think is inappropriate but, there's no problem if it's during the withdrawal.

Yes, you do not need to spend that tiny amount of time when you are logging in with picking up your phone, opening up, clicking 2fa, seeing what the numbers are and writing it on the computer. That is probably around 30 seconds, probably not that much. What do you get in return? You are getting 100x better security that will make sure that you will never be hacked unless something major leaks out or you get your phone copied or something.

So yes, it is 30 seconds more each time you login (just stay logged in?) and considering how much advantages it provides, and how easy it is nowadays for hackers to hack stuff, I would say that it totally worths it if you ask me. Of course that is your own decision, if you want your account to be more vulnerable, don't do it.

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