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August 23, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
#9
So until there is a satisfying solution for this, I predict we won't have libertarian/ancap "utopia".

Don't have kids if you can't afford it.



Yeah, only the socially advantaged should have kids.  So, in a few generations we can weed out the dead weight.

Wink  kidding

Honestly, I think there should be some objective standards for allowing reproduction.  I'm not so sure about freedom of reproduction if it results in suffering.

sry for the hijack.
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August 23, 2012, 08:02:02 AM
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So until there is a satisfying solution for this, I predict we won't have libertarian/ancap "utopia".

Don't have kids if you can't afford it.
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August 23, 2012, 07:50:10 AM
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Women are inherently disadvantaged on a free market. Because they need to take breaks during pregnancies and the time after
Or, alternatively, they are inherently advantaged because they have the option to become pregnant and men have no such option. A woman does not have to become pregnant unless she believes the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
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August 23, 2012, 07:26:13 AM
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@Matthew Yup: Thesis · Antithesis · Synthesis. Funnily, many leftists claim their idea of "socialism" is already a synthesis, and I struggle to explain them it isn't. Some kind of multi-faceted society where we'd form voluntary collectives maybe is, but I'm not sure if and how this would work out in the long-term.

@muyuu So you're essentially saying that because women have to negotiate more "off-time" than men, they'd either be incentivized to not  have any children at all, which would result in the human species to become extinct, or they are disadvantaged, as I said in my OP. "And it has been so for centuries", this is the patriarchy that many "progressives" want to get away from.
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August 23, 2012, 07:09:57 AM
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Women are inherently disadvantaged on a free market. Because they need to take breaks during pregnancies and the time after, women need more security and support. They also feel more connected and responsible for the newborn than men (who seem to "run away" more often than women) and thus have to bear more risk. Hence they are more "social" and are thus drawn to models of society many here would call "socialist".

The insensitivity of many libertarians and ancaps for this set of problems is one aspect that scares many "normal" folks (and leftists) away. I don't like the "big state" solution either, but the "free market" fails to resolve this. Also, women might complain that raising children is hard work, and an undoubtedly necessary service for society, but it is unrewarded by a market because what they do is taken for granted and the market cannot really provide a way to compensate them.

So until there is a satisfying solution for this, I predict we won't have libertarian/ancap "utopia".

There is no contradiction between free markets and negotiated benefit conditions. The same goes for pensions. It's a matter of saving up and negotiating with your employer where it may apply. A female who would only commit in company endeavours short term because she will retire to have children, cannot expect the same treatment as one who wouldn't, because they don't have the same market value and forcing it will only devalue the net sum of them all. This can be securitised (maternity insurance).

But they'd rather have the rest of the society pay for it. Also, the raising of children is not an expense for females. It's an expense for the whole family and it has been so for centuries.
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August 23, 2012, 06:55:01 AM
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GAIZ..I HAVE A THEORY.


We're born and raised under a communist dictatorship, we're shoved out into the free market, then we become libertarians, finally dying as defeatists.

The reason why there is no perfect system probably is because more than one system is required.
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August 23, 2012, 06:51:11 AM
#3
Women are inherently disadvantaged on a free market. Because they need to take breaks during pregnancies and the time after, women need more security and support. They also feel more connected and responsible for the newborn than men (who seem to "run away" more often than women) and thus have to bear more risk. Hence they are more "social" and are thus drawn to models of society many here would call "socialist".

The insensitivity of many libertarians and ancaps for this set of problems is one aspect that scares many "normal" folks (and leftists) away. I don't like the "big state" solution either, but the "free market" fails to resolve this. Also, women might complain that raising children is hard work, and an undoubtedly necessary service for society, but it is unrewarded by a market because what they do is taken for granted and the market cannot really provide a way to compensate them.

So until there is a satisfying solution for this, I predict we won't have libertarian/ancap "utopia".

You make a good point, I don't think any system really handles maternity very well innately. But inside almost any system, a way to handle maternity leave and pregnancy in a humane and fairly can be set up.
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August 23, 2012, 06:15:40 AM
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Women are inherently disadvantaged on a free market. Because they need to take breaks during pregnancies and the time after, women need more security and support. They also feel more connected and responsible for the newborn than men (who seem to "run away" more often than women) and thus have to bear more risk. Hence they are more "social" and are thus drawn to models of society many here would call "socialist".

The insensitivity of many libertarians and ancaps for this set of problems is one aspect that scares many "normal" folks (and leftists) away. I don't like the "big state" solution either, but the "free market" fails to resolve this. Also, women might complain that raising children is hard work, and an undoubtedly necessary service for society, but it is unrewarded by a market because what they do is taken for granted and the market cannot really provide a way to compensate them.

So until there is a satisfying solution for this, I predict we won't have libertarian/ancap "utopia".

Sounds logical.
legendary
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August 23, 2012, 06:14:24 AM
#1
Women are inherently disadvantaged on a free market. Because they need to take breaks during pregnancies and the time after, women need more security and support. They also feel more connected and responsible for the newborn than men (who seem to "run away" more often than women) and thus have to bear more risk. Hence they are more "social" and are thus drawn to models of society many here would call "socialist".

The insensitivity of many libertarians and ancaps for this set of problems is one aspect that scares many "normal" folks (and leftists) away. I don't like the "big state" solution either, but the "free market" fails to resolve this. Also, women might complain that raising children is hard work, and an undoubtedly necessary service for society, but it is unrewarded by a market because what they do is taken for granted and the market cannot really provide a way to compensate them.

So until there is a satisfying solution for this, I predict we won't have libertarian/ancap "utopia".
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