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legendary
Activity: 1062
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No, I want the hardware to support it.
I don't need the hardware to line my wallet.


The fact that mayor software developers should get free samples of the products they develop for shouldn't have to be discussed.

What has to be done that Kano gets a BitBurnerXX asap?

As far as I know, Zefir sent a bunch of unclaimed chips with the current shipment. Could some of these be used?

Unclaimed doesn't mean unowned. You are basically suggesting that Burnin/Zefir steal chips and give them to someone else.
full member
Activity: 154
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Thanks Smiley So theoretically even if he is shipped the entire batch of chips (10,000) and people are only ordering BitburnerX (10 chip) boards, he should be able to complete them within a week.
However I think it's more realistic to expect at least 50% of the orders to be for BitburnerXX boards and then some of the chips shipped to other manufacturers so as a rough estimation all orders for batch 1 chips should be completed within 3 days or so.

As for your PSU question any 500Watt or higher PSU should do, my personal preference is to always go for single rail just to not have to worry about load spread and so forth. I don't think you would have any connector limitations whatever you choose, even if you don't have enough pci-e cables on the PSU itself you can always use the molex-to-pcie converters so that shouldn't be an issue?!



legendary
Activity: 974
Merit: 1000

No, I want the hardware to support it.
I don't need the hardware to line my wallet.


The fact that mayor software developers should get free samples of the products they develop for shouldn't have to be discussed.

What has to be done that Kano gets a BitBurnerXX asap?

As far as I know, Zefir sent a bunch of unclaimed chips with the current shipment. Could some of these be used?

full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
You are here ---------> but you're not all there.
My payment cleared today, good start of the day. Now all I need is a photo of burnin receiving the chips from zefir and I'll be ecstatic for the entire weekend Cheesy

How long should it take to complete all batch1 orders, given that not all chips have been shipped to burnin, I roughly estimated he needs to produce ~500 bitburners.

Did he say he's going to have the boards premade and just slap chips & heat sinks on them?

Can't wait to hold my bitburners in my arms Cheesy

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Timescale:
Shipping could begin after about week of receiving the chips.
Production capability ~1000 modules per week.

Burnin said he expects to receive the chips from Zefir by Monday.
full member
Activity: 154
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My payment cleared today, good start of the day. Now all I need is a photo of burnin receiving the chips from zefir and I'll be ecstatic for the entire weekend Cheesy

How long should it take to complete all batch1 orders, given that not all chips have been shipped to burnin, I roughly estimated he needs to produce ~500 bitburners.

Did he say he's going to have the boards premade and just slap chips & heat sinks on them?

Can't wait to hold my bitburners in my arms Cheesy
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
You are here ---------> but you're not all there.
Where to buy CAN-BUS Stacking cable? (besides directly from burnin's site)
Googling "CAN-BUS Stacking Cable" isn't much help.  Some instructions for the
DIY stacking cable kit would be great as well.

Also can anyone recommend a power supply for a rig with 4 20chip boards?

legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
So ... burnin ... you gonna contact myself and ckolivas at some time to send us one each? Smiley
We support the hardware coz we have the hardware ...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2689800

Edit: oh and in case anyone was thinking of using an RPi (like I have and do use) make sure you use Arch not Raspbian
http://www.kano-kun.net/?p=87
Raspbian fails badly with USB1.1 devices.
Thanks for the clear tutorial for RPi - would have saved me a lot of time if I knew about it before!  I will check out Arch but I've actually been using stock Raspian with my CM1s and have no problems at all.

Unfortunately though due to this "unless you give us free hardware" policy I can no longer use cgminer with my CM1s so have had to switch camps to the BFGminer which remains open and cooperative with any hardware manufacturer.  I understand that you want to test hardware directly but many people have offered to debug, provide you whatever info you need, and even provide remote access to systems with miners - yet it seems you actually just want free hardware Sad  If that's your commercial model, then I get it - just wish I knew upfront before buying into cgminer.

CGMiner used to work like a dream, then they rewrote the USB stack and broke it (but is much more efficient for those it works for) - and now won't fix it because nobody gave kano a free CM1.  Cautionary tale  - other miners are available  ;-)

Damn, I didn't block you from reading that blog post of mine and force you to give me BTC ... what was I thinking??!?!?!??!

No, I want the hardware to support it.
I don't need the hardware to line my wallet.

Next week I'll have 130GH/s of hardware.
This week I have 70GH/s of hardware.
ckolivas has over 200GH/s of hardware.

You really think I'm gonna make a fortune off a what? less than 5GH/s device?
I certainly have no doubt we wouldn't be sent a reasonable amount of hardware to cover our time supporting and working on it, so I'd think at best it what we'd get would probably be a single board with 10 chips ... ... ... if anything at all ...

Feel free to support it yourself, just know that if you come asking for support for hardware we don't have, you know what to expect.
I'm really not sure why you think that statement is an issue at all.
Yet you are saying we should help you for free ... coz that is really all your post says in big, bold, blinking lights.
Did you ever donate to me for that cairnsmore1 code I wrote most of that you've been using?
No.
Have I stopped you from using it?
No.
Do I expect otherwise from you?
Now - No.
Yes you'll have to hide your name if you ever ask for support.

I imagine Avalon should be a good example for how well that works.
From January to June their support was ... ?
In June when ckolivas (had to pay 50BTC) got an Avalon, they are now mining at over 80GH/s instead of the older closer to 70GH/s they've been doing since Jan - though Avalon knew they could do that.

As for the CM1's, I wrote the first proper support for the CM1s in cgminer without any support from you or CM1.
The only code change Yohan ever did for cgminer was to change the baud rate from 115200 to 57600, as was required originally for the first CM1s, and he didn't release the source until I stated he must.

To support the 0x8350 CM1s in the current cgminer will require hardware coz it is no longer a simple brain dead serial device - it is an 8 end point (4 pair) device that even I haven't written any support for such devices yet in my usbutils library coz I've never had a device with that chip in it. It will require a design change in my usbutils library. Not a big deal, but there's no way in hell I'm gonna do that without having the hardware.
Though I have already put in the basic information required for a CM1 in the code ... months ago ... just not the extra required to do it fully.

Oh and as for original avalon ... yep I've broken the avalon code twice so far (ckolivas fixed it) coz I don't have one (and I don't want one made by that company)
Of course ckolivas tests on his ... but ... well ... it's not something I can test every time I've editing code coz I don't have the hardware.

Let me clarify all this specifically to you: "Fuck off" Smiley

P.S. yes anyone else reading this and finds my reply unexpected - this is what I'm like - and this is nothing new from me on this forum Smiley
Oh well Tongue
sr. member
Activity: 378
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Makes sense.

Where can i find the link for the burnin's cgminer fork? Digged around 30 pages, couldn't find it....


Did burnin fork cgminer ? I though his board emulated Avalon and you could just use the main branch.
Avalon can't adjust its voltage so I don't know how that would work.
sr. member
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Makes sense.

Where can i find the link for the burnin's cgminer fork? Digged around 30 pages, couldn't find it....

full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
Yes batch number before order number. It would be stupid to wait with the chips in the corner just because of the order numbers.
newbie
Activity: 46
Merit: 0
Thanks!

Quick question - im part of Zefirs batch #1 - 200 chips coming directly to you

I ordered on your site tonight - order number #737

Since this will be one of the first batches that will arrive with you - will i be one of the first processed?

If the above is true - how quickly do you expect the chips to be stamped onto the PCB's and shipped back to me?

Cheers, and thanks a ton for your hard work!

As far as I know, batch# comes before order#  ;-)
...can't find Burnins statement at the moment, but i remember it-
imho that's the only reasonable way

So actually, your chips are already on their way to burnin!
I would assume, that the assembly process won't take longer than a week, somewhere in this thread a number was given, how many pieces per day can be assembled-  though i don't have the number in my mind now  =/
With that and the amount of chips in this first batch reaching burnin, you could estimate the time until you got your boards

best regards,
Florian
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Thanks!

Quick question - im part of Zefirs batch #1 - 200 chips coming directly to you

I ordered on your site tonight - order number #737

Since this will be one of the first batches that will arrive with you - will i be one of the first processed?

If the above is true - how quickly do you expect the chips to be stamped onto the PCB's and shipped back to me?

Cheers, and thanks a ton for your hard work!
sr. member
Activity: 243
Merit: 250
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I was making a hasted decision when ordering and paying before.

Please cancel order #548
Please accept orders #728, #729, #730, #731, #732 as replacements.

I have already paid order #548 to the amount of €2,132.48
I have this time around entered my VAT number (I run Bitcoincommodities.com, VAT number is DE279330777).
However, at checkout I still had VAT included. I placed the orders anyways.
Please send me new invoices for the new orders without VAT.

If you want to refund the total amount for order #548 and want me to make new payments, I would agree.
I would also agree to only refuding the left-over after the recalculation for the total of all orders regarding VAT.

I am terribly, terribly sorry for messing this up.
I was eagerly awaiting the opening of your store, which didn't work out as planned, and when I next had the opportunity to place my orders it was after a full day of brewing (and, of course, tasting!) very, very smooth beer at a local brewery.

It's all my fault.
I hope you can still manage to help me out, here.


Burnin will ship the Bitburners from Germany to Germany.
In this case he have to charge the VAT.
There is no other way.


that is not true.

in fact, he could send appropriate MwSt papers with the receipt even when shipping to Germany, and with those papers you can show the goods on your way out of Germany (and EU), and then ask for the refund from the german custom officers.

if you are a citizen of a non-EU country.

He is German and therefore has to pay VAT even when ordering as a company.
Then he can then get the VAT back from the Finanzamt.

whats the expected hashing rate at 450mhz? 450m/hash? right?
450Mhash multiplied by the number of chips on the board.
sr. member
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whats the expected hashing rate at 450mhz? 450m/hash? right?


legendary
Activity: 1232
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I was making a hasted decision when ordering and paying before.

Please cancel order #548
Please accept orders #728, #729, #730, #731, #732 as replacements.

I have already paid order #548 to the amount of €2,132.48
I have this time around entered my VAT number (I run Bitcoincommodities.com, VAT number is DE279330777).
However, at checkout I still had VAT included. I placed the orders anyways.
Please send me new invoices for the new orders without VAT.

If you want to refund the total amount for order #548 and want me to make new payments, I would agree.
I would also agree to only refuding the left-over after the recalculation for the total of all orders regarding VAT.

I am terribly, terribly sorry for messing this up.
I was eagerly awaiting the opening of your store, which didn't work out as planned, and when I next had the opportunity to place my orders it was after a full day of brewing (and, of course, tasting!) very, very smooth beer at a local brewery.

It's all my fault.
I hope you can still manage to help me out, here.


Burnin will ship the Bitburners from Germany to Germany.
In this case he have to charge the VAT.
There is no other way.


that is not true.

in fact, he could send appropriate MwSt papers with the receipt even when shipping to Germany, and with those papers you can show the goods on your way out of Germany (and EU), and then ask for the refund from the german custom officers.

if you are a citizen of a non-EU country.
hero member
Activity: 493
Merit: 500
Hooray for non-equilibrium thermodynamics!
Yes, we're veering off topic.  It can be done, very cheaply even in the UK.
Citibank UK EURO Current Account (Monthly fee about £8 or free if you push £1800 per month through it)
Transferwise (referral link) http://transferwise.com/u/6de1 to convert GBP into EUR (pretty much at the wholesale spot rate plus a couple of quid)
SEPA transfer from Citi EURO account to wherever (e.g. Bitstamp) - FREE.

The downside is it takes about 5 days to get GBP into BTC, especially if I've not got a float in the EUR account.

Thanks tigerbit, that's useful to know. Back to the topic in hand now (sorry for the bank rant, it's just one of those things that gets on my nerves!)
member
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Hi SebastianJu, I'm not sure about how others get their BTC, but I've not been able to find a cheap way to buy them from the UK yet - maybe others have suggestions (via CurrencyFair??, this seems as though it would be slow though). I've had good experiences with bitstamp and their fees are quite reasonable, but we get ripped off by UK banks for the SEPA transfers and GBP-EUR exchange required to get funds to bitstamp. UK banks seem to have some special arrangement that enables them to ignore European agreements on SEPA transfers and so they charge large fees for this (mine charges a flat fee for each transfer that means only reasonably sizeable transfers make sense, otherwise the % charge may be several %). If you add on top of that the poor GBP-EUR exchange rates that the banks offer then it can easily cost 5% or more to buy BTC. Unfortunately very little of that goes to BTC-friendly causes, most goes straight to the bank Angry. It actually makes me quite angry that our banks can "opt-out" of the SEPA, but this is probably not the place for me to rant about this Grin.


Yes, we're veering off topic.  It can be done, very cheaply even in the UK.
Citibank UK EURO Current Account (Monthly fee about £8 or free if you push £1800 per month through it)
Transferwise (referral link) http://transferwise.com/u/6de1 to convert GBP into EUR (pretty much at the wholesale spot rate plus a couple of quid)
SEPA transfer from Citi EURO account to wherever (e.g. Bitstamp/Burnin) - FREE.

The downside is it takes about 5 days to get GBP into BTC, especially if I've not got a float in the EUR account.

Other UK alternative is Bitbargain https://bitbargain.co.uk/tutorial?r=tigerbit
Sometimes there are sellers that are selling close to MtGox bid price, but volumes are lower obviously.  More expensive, but safe and FAST - UK faster payments or Barclays PingIT mean transactions often take just a matter of minutes.
hero member
Activity: 493
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Hooray for non-equilibrium thermodynamics!
Where has one to pay 5%? oO I only know this from localbitcoins because work is involved to get fiat in hands. For example using bitstamp is 0.5% fee only. Thats pretty normal for exchanges. The bitcoin price is low there too because many cash bitcoins out there. They have a fast and working cashout, not like mtgox. So you could buy bitcoins for a lower price there. In fact for the normal price that bitinstant is using too.

Bitpay exchange rate is more normal than the one at mtgox. Check out bitcoincharts to see the average price. I believe mtgox price is higher because they have so much problems with paying out cash. It takes weeks and months to get your money to your bank account. So no one is selling at mtgox and the price is higher than normal.

It takes fucking forever to get btc with USD on exchanges

Why? I normally send euro and it reaches very fast. I wonder why it shouldnt work for usd. I mean bitstamp IS even in USD only.


Hi SebastianJu, I'm not sure about how others get their BTC, but I've not been able to find a cheap way to buy them from the UK yet - maybe others have suggestions (via CurrencyFair??, this seems as though it would be slow though). I've had good experiences with bitstamp and their fees are quite reasonable, but we get ripped off by UK banks for the SEPA transfers and GBP-EUR exchange required to get funds to bitstamp. UK banks seem to have some special arrangement that enables them to ignore European agreements on SEPA transfers and so they charge large fees for this (mine charges a flat fee for each transfer that means only reasonably sizeable transfers make sense, otherwise the % charge may be several %). If you add on top of that the poor GBP-EUR exchange rates that the banks offer then it can easily cost 5% or more to buy BTC. Unfortunately very little of that goes to BTC-friendly causes, most goes straight to the bank Angry. It actually makes me quite angry that our banks can "opt-out" of the SEPA, but this is probably not the place for me to rant about this Grin.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
I was making a hasted decision when ordering and paying before.

Please cancel order #548
Please accept orders #728, #729, #730, #731, #732 as replacements.

I have already paid order #548 to the amount of €2,132.48
I have this time around entered my VAT number (I run Bitcoincommodities.com, VAT number is DE279330777).
However, at checkout I still had VAT included. I placed the orders anyways.
Please send me new invoices for the new orders without VAT.

If you want to refund the total amount for order #548 and want me to make new payments, I would agree.
I would also agree to only refuding the left-over after the recalculation for the total of all orders regarding VAT.

I am terribly, terribly sorry for messing this up.
I was eagerly awaiting the opening of your store, which didn't work out as planned, and when I next had the opportunity to place my orders it was after a full day of brewing (and, of course, tasting!) very, very smooth beer at a local brewery.

It's all my fault.
I hope you can still manage to help me out, here.


Burnin will ship the Bitburners from Germany to Germany.
In this case he have to charge the VAT.
There is no other way.



True, that is what I thought. That Vat will be deducted by your company accountant in tax return.
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
I was making a hasted decision when ordering and paying before.

Please cancel order #548
Please accept orders #728, #729, #730, #731, #732 as replacements.

I have already paid order #548 to the amount of €2,132.48
I have this time around entered my VAT number (I run Bitcoincommodities.com, VAT number is DE279330777).
However, at checkout I still had VAT included. I placed the orders anyways.
Please send me new invoices for the new orders without VAT.

If you want to refund the total amount for order #548 and want me to make new payments, I would agree.
I would also agree to only refuding the left-over after the recalculation for the total of all orders regarding VAT.

I am terribly, terribly sorry for messing this up.
I was eagerly awaiting the opening of your store, which didn't work out as planned, and when I next had the opportunity to place my orders it was after a full day of brewing (and, of course, tasting!) very, very smooth beer at a local brewery.

It's all my fault.
I hope you can still manage to help me out, here.


Burnin will ship the Bitburners from Germany to Germany.
In this case he have to charge the VAT.
There is no other way.


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