Topic: Would i be better off waiting for the 16nm miners? - page 2. (Read 3674 times)

Avalon is a project name. My company is Canaan-creative. Bitcoin mining is still my primary job.

LK / BW is totally different form Innosilicon. As I know, LK/BW is designing the chips under their own control.  

Good luck to their first chips.  

ng

you say soo many miners like i get fuzzed betewewn the S5 S6 S7 and the A ant miners are best the A or S and major difrences?

Thanks all for elaborating. Innosilicon's job on A1 project was to do the proper ASIC and and ship them to whoever wanna design the miners . By the way, we are free to ship in the open market from day 1 and we never shipped one region with better quality ASIC than another region. Any such claim is just fking lie and malicious. Why would we do that? Never! European region to us, are just as important as any other regions in the world. The two chip Reference board we did for A1 we did was only served to evaluate and demo our ASIC and not for production use. As it turned out, companies like Bitmine had very little prior engineering experience and they are not competent to handle the miner production in the end. All in all, engineering is all about knowledge, process and experience. Hard lessons are learnt and it is never easy to get-rich-quickly if you don't really know it.

BTW, Martin from IMET is a cheater and liar. He begged us to ship him a few thousand ASICs to make boards back in March 2014 and promised to pay later. After ASIC arrived, he disappeared. His A1 Miner was too extreme and too hot to be reliable.  He should not be trusted.

After A1 phase, we did 28nm A2 ASIC PLUS the official A2 Terminator miner design together so that there won't be another Bitmine like miner fiasco which hurt ASIC sales, which was better.

The latest development is that we are moving on to the A3 ASIC and A4 ASIC design already. Both in 14nm and already taped out with over 60% power saving over the 28nm generation. Anyone interested in those are free to contact us. I guess we are the 1st to move to 14nm at this point and we are confident A3 and A4 are both gonna work great.

Thanks all for the spirited debate and sharing. God bless!

Lk - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lk-group-limited-will-start-bitcoin-miner-14nm-asic-project-1033676

BW  - https://www.bw.com/pool/miner

They teamed up with BW.   There are some big moves that happened.  Are you still with avalon?

Lk - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lk-group-limited-will-start-bitcoin-miner-14nm-asic-project-1033676

BW  - https://www.bw.com/pool/miner

They teamed up with BW.   There are some big moves that happened.  Are you still with avalon?

sources?  

I have already decided to put my antminer U3 on for lottery mining, have named it blocky incase he finds me a block!... 63GH/s... I am interested in mining in a pool as well with a bigger rig as well... Would I be better off waiting for a later miner? I seem to find the antminer s7 is very high priced given the difficulty level keeps rising. I want to do it mainly for fun but also I do want to minimize losses if possible. Either getting a later rig or use that moment to cash in on the price drop of the s7?


What do you guys recommend? hang fire and wait? or go for it?

Jacob

Because they are the only company who have publicly announced consumer sales of 14nm mining chips with their A3's, unlike Bitmain and SP-Tech who are staying with 28nm for the time being.

Because they are the only company who have publicly announced consumer sales of 14nm mining chips with their A3's, unlike Bitmain and SP-Tech who are staying with 28nm for the time being.

Also, why you metioned Innosilicon? I haven't hear about them for really a long time. 

ng,

Thank you for coming in and commenting on many of the threads, it is nice to have industry insight from professionals such as yourself.

I personally believe that the "arms race" with Bitfury and KNC is more PR and marketing than real facts. All we really know for certain is that they are increasing their hashrate, not that they are meeting the specs that they claim. 

Would you agree that with the low price of electricity many of these large farms are likely able to obtain, the $/GH can be just as or more relevant as the W/GH in terms of profit? For that reason, I wouldn't think 14/16nm is going to be a cost-effective before the next ~12 months given it's infancy compared to 28nm at this time.  If it was, one would think Innosilicon would have taped out by now.

I think Bitcoin mining will finally move to 14/16nm at early or mid 2016, in the retail market.

The major barriers for us to move to 14/16nm node are the cost is ~X2 and the manufacture time is ~X2.5 compare to 28nm. This means you spend even more on same THs on the chips, and get them months later. Also, cash before order.

The only benefit is ~30-50% power saving. Do you really think this is worthy?

also, ALL bitcoin chip designs are cell based. This impossible to do a  good "full custom" design in 1or 2years. The word "Full custom" turns into a advertisement words now.

 

ng

My opinion is we wont see any 16nm until 2016 so if you want to wait that long to get into mining or you take the S7 which as of right now is the best option available to the public

droid, do you have a source for the comment that 16nm is not much more efficient than the 28nm BM1385.

All the sources I have seen say there is a considerable performance difference, especially with the 16 nanometer 3D FinFET chips. The target figures at the chip level being quoted by KNC and Bitfury are 0.07J/GHs and 0.06J/GHs respectively.  The BM1385 is 0.216J/GHs.  

Presumably only KNC knows the actual specs of the 16nm miners they seem to be rolling out.  The last 4 weeks have seen a 10-15 petahash  increase in the KNC pool.

In summary the 16nm chips could be between 2 and 3 times more efficient and likely around 0.1J/GHs at the system level.  But for the immediate future they will not be available to the public.

from what ive heard the 16nm chips are not that much more efficient than the 28nm fully custom BM1385