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Topic: Would it cost anything to open a Channel on Lightning Network? - page 2. (Read 528 times)

newbie
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Merit: 1
Come on people the current crazy high transactions fees are making the development team rich who
wrote a system that the knew from day one would not scale and LN Hubs act like bankers and a Channel
is little more than a credit line with standing charges.

Yes sure they will keep banging on about it not being centralized and remaining trustless but look
at this picture https://blockchain.info/pools

2/3 of the core code is concerned with mining that created CPU wars and the joke is that
mining is not even needed as many people here that program will already know. 

That's right ten big mining pools now account for 90% of all transactions and this is how we ended
up with a monopoly and they have been allowed to get away with $45 in transaction fees.

People that fix cars don't want to see safe roads and with so little cream to spread around they
have taken to dropping bricks from motorway bridges on to the traffic below.

 



 
Actually the devs get no money by high transaction fees unless they are involved into the mining business. If there wouldnt be so many transactions each transaction would cost way less and surely Satoshi Nakamoto didnt expect Bitcoin to be this large at this point in time (I wish he would still be there for us). You are right though with your concern regarding the monopoly of mining. Its an unregulated market where the one that can mine for the lowest cost will take more and more of the global hashing power in the long run. Correct me if Im wrong.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
This is what I'm worried about too. If Lightning Network to be implemented, one day there will be no need for mining anymore.
Lightning Network can't exist without miners, and there will always be miners. If it's less profitable (unlikely!), the hashrate would get lower, and the remaining miners would still earn money.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Come on people the current crazy high transactions fees are making the development team rich who
wrote a system that the knew from day one would not scale and LN Hubs act like bankers and a Channel
is little more than a credit line with standing charges.

Yes sure they will keep banging on about it not being centralized and remaining trustless but look
at this picture https://blockchain.info/pools

2/3 of the core code is concerned with mining that created CPU wars and the joke is that
mining is not even needed as many people here that program will already know. 

That's right ten big mining pools now account for 90% of all transactions and this is how we ended
up with a monopoly and they have been allowed to get away with $45 in transaction fees.

People that fix cars don't want to see safe roads and with so little cream to spread around they
have taken to dropping bricks from motorway bridges on to the traffic below.

This is what I'm worried about too. If Lightning Network to be implemented, one day there will be no need for mining anymore.
Hopefully, we are not heading to a deadlock because of the benefits of all parties involved.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Ok, this is news to me too. I thought the channel gets closed, once the BTC in that channel are spend.
The payment channel has more than one side, if your side exhausted it's Bitcoins, that means the other side has all your Bitcoins, which is still part of the same channel.

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Who decides when the channel can be closed?
Anybody can at any time decide to close the channel, and finalize the transactions on-chain.

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I pressume this is automated and will close when it is not filled, but can the person who innitiated the channel, close the channel, if it is filled with other people's money?
Each transaction on LN requires an updated signature from all parties. When the channel is closed, these signatures are enough to decide who-gets-what on-chain. Whoever opened the channel can't take the money from other participants in that channel.

Disclaimer: I'm trying to understand how LN is going to work, and this post is based on my current understanding.
legendary
Activity: 3542
Merit: 1965
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
3. is good to know. I thought that once the BTC got liquidated from a channel (balance 0) the channel would automatically close. This will save a lot of fees when you are dealing with usual clients or friends then. But don't you need to make an on-chain transaction to refill your channel anyway?

Someone else on Lightning can send you money to refill the channel.

Ok, this is news to me too. I thought the channel gets closed, once the BTC in that channel are spend. It makes a bit more sense now that a channel can still be open for other, if they funded or refilled the channel.

Who decides when the channel can be closed? I pressume this is automated and will close when it is not filled, but can the person who innitiated the channel, close the channel, if it is filled with other people's money?
member
Activity: 210
Merit: 26
High fees = low BTC price
Come on people the current crazy high transactions fees are making the development team rich who
wrote a system that the knew from day one would not scale and LN Hubs act like bankers and a Channel
is little more than a credit line with standing charges.

Yes sure they will keep banging on about it not being centralized and remaining trustless but look
at this picture https://blockchain.info/pools

2/3 of the core code is concerned with mining that created CPU wars and the joke is that
mining is not even needed as many people here that program will already know. 

That's right ten big mining pools now account for 90% of all transactions and this is how we ended
up with a monopoly and they have been allowed to get away with $45 in transaction fees.

People that fix cars don't want to see safe roads and with so little cream to spread around they
have taken to dropping bricks from motorway bridges on to the traffic below.

 



 
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3080
3. is good to know. I thought that once the BTC got liquidated from a channel (balance 0) the channel would automatically close. This will save a lot of fees when you are dealing with usual clients or friends then. But don't you need to make an on-chain transaction to refill your channel anyway?

Someone else on Lightning can send you money to refill the channel.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1252
Yes, you can open channels, as many as you want, with a company or with an individual, and the fee will be that of a regular on-chain transaction. This has been the critique of lightning network haters, claiming that in order to do private LN transactions you would need to open a channel individually for each person.

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. Yes and yes

3. is good to know. I thought that once the BTC got liquidated from a channel (balance 0) the channel would automatically close. This will save a lot of fees when you are dealing with usual clients or friends then. But don't you need to make an on-chain transaction to refill your channel anyway?
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3080
1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. Yes and yes
Ucy
sr. member
Activity: 2674
Merit: 403
Compare rates on different exchanges & swap.
Can I please get answers to these questions  Smiley

1.  Would opening a Payment Channel on Lightning Network cost any fee?

2. Can one open a payment channel with an individual (& not just companies) ?

3.  Would payment channels continue to be opened or exist after its bitcoins has been exhausted?

4. Can I withdraw my bitcoin from  payment channel whenever I want?  If yes, does it cost anything to do this?
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