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Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 08:07:40 AM

No, I don't say wireless radiation (edit. lol. wireless and radiation is pretty the same) is impossible.
I only say that you always have losses if you transform one energy state for another.
And when this occures, there is almost always some heat involved.

I see, it's off-topic so let's don't derail this thread.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 03, 2015, 08:00:58 AM

Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 07:57:35 AM

It does, when you want to transform the energy into something else.
You cannot mine radiation so you have to convert it first to something useful.
In this process you always have losses, whether mechanical wear, EM radiation, IR radiation or whatever.

Ah, so http://www.wirelesspowersupply.net is scam! Cheesy

No, I don't say wireless radiation (edit. lol. wireless and radiation is pretty the same) is impossible.
I only say that you always have losses if you transform one energy state for another.
And when this occures, there is almost always some heat involved.

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Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 07:57:35 AM

It does, when you want to transform the energy into something else.
You cannot mine radiation so you have to convert it first to something useful.
In this process you always have losses, whether mechanical wear, EM radiation, IR radiation or whatever.

Ah, so http://www.wirelesspowersupply.net is scam! Cheesy

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 03, 2015, 07:52:27 AM

Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 07:49:41 AM

You just invented a perpetimum mobile.
Grin

lol

No.

Even if 100.0% of radiated energy was caught then it still wouldn't violate laws of physics.

It does, when you want to transform the energy into something else.
You cannot mine radiation so you have to convert it first to something useful.
In this process you always have losses, whether mechanical wear, EM radiation, IR radiation or whatever.

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Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 07:49:41 AM

You just invented a perpetimum mobile.
Grin

lol

No.

Even if 100.0% of radiated energy was caught then it still wouldn't violate laws of physics.

PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 03, 2015, 07:48:23 AM

Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 07:33:47 AM

Antennas also become warm.
A microwave oven is one high powered antenna, although there is only gibberish being sent to the product.

This led me to a thought... When Bitcoin mining rigs become very efficient (heat-wise) they will still radiate energy that can be "caught" and used for other things. An obvious countermeasure is to place other mining rigs powered solely by EM radiation around the main rig. This will lead to concentration of mining equipment in the same location, which is not very decentralization-friendly...

You just invented a perpetimum mobile.
Grin

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Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 07:33:47 AM

Antennas also become warm.
A microwave oven is one high powered antenna, although there is only gibberish being sent to the product.

This led me to a thought... When Bitcoin mining rigs become very efficient (heat-wise) they will still radiate energy that can be "caught" and used for other things. An obvious countermeasure is to place other mining rigs powered solely by EM radiation around the main rig. This will lead to concentration of mining equipment in the same location, which is not very decentralization-friendly...

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 03, 2015, 07:26:36 AM

Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 06:28:23 AM

A current touch a wire is never without resistance unless chilled to super conductivity temperatures, close to zero Kelvin.
Whenever there is resistance there is heat.

Besides, a clever mofo could possibly make a microwave oven from the EM radiation

I'm talking about wires behaving as antennas.

Antennas also become warm.
A microwave oven is one high powered antenna, although there is only gibberish being sent to the product.

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Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 06:28:23 AM

A current touch a wire is never without resistance unless chilled to super conductivity temperatures, close to zero Kelvin.
Whenever there is resistance there is heat.

Besides, a clever mofo could possibly make a microwave oven from the EM radiation

I'm talking about wires behaving as antennas.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 03, 2015, 06:23:48 AM

Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 06:00:40 AM

However, this technique will make mining more efficient but cannot make efficiency 100% so there will always be some heat dissipation although much less than current values.

Shift of dissipation to radio spectrum (caused by current going through wires) won't help you much, unless you take part in radioelectronic warfare and want to disrupt enemy's communications.

A current through a wire is never without resistance unless chilled to super conductivity temperatures, close to zero Kelvin.
Whenever there is resistance there is heat.

Besides, a clever mofo could possibly make a microwave oven from the EM radiation

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Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 06:00:40 AM

However, this technique will make mining more efficient but cannot make efficiency 100% so there will always be some heat dissipation although much less than current values.

Shift of dissipation to radio spectrum (caused by current going through wires) won't help you much, unless you take part in radioelectronic warfare and want to disrupt enemy's communications.

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Quote from: adam3us on January 03, 2015, 04:45:47 AM

Satoshi invented a new element called bitcoinium, and all alt-coins are made of it too;

Not sure what to make of that analogy. It sounds homeopathic.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 03, 2015, 05:49:45 AM

Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 05:42:11 AM

Electric heating is finally able to become efficient thanks to bitcoin.

Unfortunatelly, tech progress moves in a direction that leads to non-heating bitcoin mining rigs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_circuit.

Interesting read.
However, this technique will make mining more efficient but cannot make efficiency 100% so there will always be some heat dissipation although much less than current values.

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Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 05:42:11 AM

Electric heating is finally able to become efficient thanks to bitcoin.

Unfortunatelly, tech progress moves in a direction that leads to non-heating bitcoin mining rigs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_circuit.

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Quote from: adam3us on January 03, 2015, 04:45:47 AM

Quote from: DaNksta on January 02, 2015, 05:02:18 PM

I fail to see the point of this rant.... nothing useful or particularly insightful...

Satoshi invented a new element called bitcoinium, and all alt-coins are made of it too; if you pay above par for bitcoinium you're getting ripped off.

Adam

You actually sum up a bunch of facts which were already running through my head in random order.
Thanks for confirming the thought.

I'm dreaming about electric cooking plates running miners underneath.
Or those store heaters they always have at the entrance blowing warm air.

Electric heating is finally able to become efficient thanks to bitcoin.

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Quote from: DaNksta on January 02, 2015, 05:02:18 PM

I fail to see the point of this rant.... nothing useful or particularly insightful...

Satoshi invented a new element called bitcoinium, and all alt-coins are made of it too; if you pay above par for bitcoinium you're getting ripped off.

Adam

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I fail to see the point of this rant.... nothing useful or particularly insightful...

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Quote from: adam3us on January 02, 2015, 10:30:35 AM

There's a difference between decentralisation and fragmentation. You can have a system that is decentralised, but if you have many mini-systems they wont be very decentralised, nor secure by definition; and much utility value comes from the network-effect of the larger system also.

You start writing like a bolshevik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_centralism . I'm pointing this just to make sure you are aware. I still enjoy your writing and read most of it.

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Quote from: adam3us on January 01, 2015, 08:58:48 PM

... scifi, ... The universal AI...

Hmm, we might be approaching The Singularity sooner than we think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVtUw5wToA

Hopefully, a little bit of humor allows our brains to cool down and start thinking better

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 02, 2015, 09:17:55 AM

Quote from: adam3us on January 01, 2015, 08:58:48 PM

Lets conduct a scifi thought experiment, and talk about Bitcoin...

I have just noticed "researching decentralization" in your forum signature. If we consider Bitcoin as the first step to decentralization then creation of millions small "Bitcoins" (let's call them altcoins) seems to be the second step in the same direction. But for an unknown reason you keep promoting only Bitcoin and trying to construct other systems on top of it. It would be great to know why...

There's a difference between decentralisation and fragmentation. You can have a system that is decentralised, but if you have many mini-systems they wont be very decentralised, nor secure by definition; and much utility value comes from the network-effect of the larger system also.

It depends what you view bitcoin is, but I've come to view it as a generalised unit of proof of work measured in normalised electricity x time. And from that point of view it doesnt seem possible to make a new unit, only to improve the unit (if its still an electronic proof of use of electricity at a given time, its always a bitcoin definitionally as it is the word to describe that thing). As in the parable marking a bitcoin (a standardised electricity-time unit by definition) with a logo or brand and trying to sell it for above par with branding isnt creating decentralisation nor value.

Btw its really hard to improve bitcoin algorithmically or protocol. The implementation has some known things left to improve, and they have a pretty comprehensive wishlist. If people want to work on improving bitcoin there is a github, developer mailing list, etc. They're always looking for quality assurance, code security review, documentation writers, and protocol & code review.

Adam

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