Calling others to use your advertised service, promote them outside your signature area, defending it in scam accusations and etc - this is what can be called shilling IMO.
Best way of putting it right there, bravo.
Topic: Would you consider wearing signature = shilling? - page 2. (Read 572 times)
Best way of putting it right there, bravo.
I think we should divide advertising and shilling. I don't think that simply wearing paid signature can be called shilling. I wanted to give comparison with billboards on streets, but I see it's already giving. Or it can be ad banners on website. I don't think that it can be called shilling. I would call it passive advertising.
While shilling is active form of advertising. Calling others to use your advertised service, promote them outside your signature area, defending it in scam accusations and etc - this is what can be called shilling IMO.
While shilling is active form of advertising. Calling others to use your advertised service, promote them outside your signature area, defending it in scam accusations and etc - this is what can be called shilling IMO.
Signature campaigns and shilling aren't the same. Those signature campaigns are like advertising someone's product/services through the use of your signature space. It means they rent this signature space; this could be like advertising on billboards on which the company needs to pay you because you own that billboard space.
However, I think signature campaigns can only be considered as shilling if the one who wears it makes falsely claims or over-advertising the product/service.
As of now, I don't see anyone shilling their sig camps, I beleive this is because of the strict forum rules, specifically sig campaign rules and guidelines that we are following.
However, I think signature campaigns can only be considered as shilling if the one who wears it makes falsely claims or over-advertising the product/service.
As of now, I don't see anyone shilling their sig camps, I beleive this is because of the strict forum rules, specifically sig campaign rules and guidelines that we are following.
For me,
Shilling = "Badly advertise anything for own benefits".
Usually, I wouldn't consider the Signature Campaign as a shill, but it's not limited to. For example, you wore a Signature that allowed you to use your referral links. Campaign post requirements are 25/week, but you are making 100 or above posts per week to gain referral and financial benefits, then I will consider it is a shill. But everyone's opinion wouldn't be the same, some users thought whoever wears a Signature he is shilling. We can't really prevent any thoughts.
Shilling = "Badly advertise anything for own benefits".
Usually, I wouldn't consider the Signature Campaign as a shill, but it's not limited to. For example, you wore a Signature that allowed you to use your referral links. Campaign post requirements are 25/week, but you are making 100 or above posts per week to gain referral and financial benefits, then I will consider it is a shill. But everyone's opinion wouldn't be the same, some users thought whoever wears a Signature he is shilling. We can't really prevent any thoughts.
You misunderstood the use of shilling for incorporating it to signature campaign. You are being paid by signature campaign by means of displaying there signature whenever you do post. That's what they are really paying you when you join the campaign, the content quality is just part of it so that you will attract user to read your post which means your signature will be view more often.
Shilling is blatantly promoting something that will benefit you or you are being paid to post good feedback for them. Signature campaign doesn't work like that. Campaign manager never required to promote the project you are endorsing via posting in different thread.
I hope it helps to clear this misunderstanding.
Shilling is blatantly promoting something that will benefit you or you are being paid to post good feedback for them. Signature campaign doesn't work like that. Campaign manager never required to promote the project you are endorsing via posting in different thread.
I hope it helps to clear this misunderstanding.
The other day examplens said me I'm shilling for Roobet (beacause I have used their paid signature) while I barely did direct recommend Roobet to others in this forum (did IRL though).
I read the thread in which this happened and someone completely misinterpreted it what actually means to shill something. By the way, he thinks everyone who has a signature (paid or free) is shilling for some project - and there is something that is usually called advertising. So just because you have a signature doesn't mean you're shill, but if someone has that opinion, that's their problem.
A paid signature should be the privilege of those who have earned it through years of active participation in the forum, but also each member should think about their reputation when becoming a member of a paid campaign. Surely everyone will agree that it is not the same to advertise YoBit or Roobet.
Wearing a signature is a sort of advertisement for the site in question, in order to create publicity for it, this could be financially motivated or not. It works in the same way we have billboards, TV or radio ads, the owners have an advertisement space and may choose to sell it to a business to advertise their product. This of itself is not shilling as I'm neither endorsing the site or convincing users to register on them, they design their ad concept; either a signature or a 30 seconds TV commercial.
I on my part perform my due diligence to ensure I do not advertise a scam site, as there are users who would trust you based on your reputation.
The forum auctions signature space, but doesn't shill the advertised sites, infact a warning is included;
"Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction."
This is how everyone should view signatures both from the forum and personal users. Do your own research before registering regardless of who advertises it.
When would advertisment become shilling?
If I began to spam the forum with links to the site I'm advertising as well as giving glowing recommendations and reviews or if I jumped to defend then at every turn without due consideration, I could be termed a shill.
I on my part perform my due diligence to ensure I do not advertise a scam site, as there are users who would trust you based on your reputation.
The forum auctions signature space, but doesn't shill the advertised sites, infact a warning is included;
"Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction."
This is how everyone should view signatures both from the forum and personal users. Do your own research before registering regardless of who advertises it.
When would advertisment become shilling?
If I began to spam the forum with links to the site I'm advertising as well as giving glowing recommendations and reviews or if I jumped to defend then at every turn without due consideration, I could be termed a shill.
Wearing a signature for a service or company is some way of advertising without actually forcing or persuading anyone to use the service. The potential customer sees the advert and it's their choice to use the service or not. Shilling on the other hand as I understand is when someone aggressively markets a product to an extent of making up fake reviews about it. The person then goes ahead to persuade a potential customer into using the service promising that they will have a great experience or make huge returns. Someone can even reach an extent of making unsolicited PMs or spam the forum with links of the service they are trying to promote in different topics
Here is another definition I got about shilling
Here is another definition I got about shilling
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to help another person to persuade people to buy something, especially by pretending to be a satisfied customer
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/shillWhat's exactly shilling for a project refers to? I guess bringing the project name every now and then while you can write a post without mentioning the name of that project.
Would you consider wearing signature does also mean shilling for that project? Am I shilling for Roobet here? The other day examplens said me I'm shilling for Roobet (beacause I have used their paid signature) while I barely did direct recommend Roobet to others in this forum (did IRL though).
Would you consider wearing signature does also mean shilling for that project? Am I shilling for Roobet here? The other day examplens said me I'm shilling for Roobet (beacause I have used their paid signature) while I barely did direct recommend Roobet to others in this forum (did IRL though).
According to Google, "Shill" means: "an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others"
I wear an unpaid signature for a friend who runs a business I truly believe in. Does that make me a shill? I don't get any special benefits from it, so I don't think so. It's just advertising. You can get choose to get paid or not. I used to join paid signature campaigns, but that never meant I really believed in the project/business that paid me either.
Many here dislike paid signature campaigns for the simple reason it adds mostly useless, long-winded posts so that people can meet their minimum posting requirements. Some people here, believe it or not, depend on such campaigns to put food on their table, so I guess I am not one to complain about it. Ignore them if you don't like them. /shrug
There's my long winded-unpaid post about it.
What's exactly shilling for a project refers to? I guess bringing the project name every now and then while you can write a post without mentioning the name of that project.
Would you consider wearing signature does also mean shilling for that project? Am I shilling for Roobet here? The other day examplens said me I'm shilling for Roobet (beacause I have used their paid signature) while I barely did direct recommend Roobet to others in this forum (did IRL though).
Would you consider wearing signature does also mean shilling for that project? Am I shilling for Roobet here? The other day examplens said me I'm shilling for Roobet (beacause I have used their paid signature) while I barely did direct recommend Roobet to others in this forum (did IRL though).
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