Topic: [WTB] BTC for Paypal (Read 1422 times)
I filed a claim showing proof seller ceased communication and 'virtual item' never arrived. Paypal issued a refund after 10/11 days.
Paypal is always reversible unless you can prove 100% the goods were received but even then..
OP just file a claim, say it was unauthorized.
OP just file a claim, say it was unauthorized.
Yes I meant paypal = reversible / btc = irreversible.
Yeah, I thought so lol. Anyway, I think I'm going to stop now, we're starting to derail this thread and I think I made my point, PP is bad to use for BTC exchanges (although it's not that good in general IMHO).
Yes I meant paypal = reversible / btc = irreversible.
You don't seem to know how paypal works, or have any/a lot of paypal experience.
If people are saying that you should not use paypal for buying btc, it is because paypal transactions are irreversible, and not btc transactions.
If people are saying that you should not use paypal for buying btc, it is because paypal transactions are irreversible, and not btc transactions.
I'll assume you meant that they are reversible. And as a matter of fact I do have quite a lot of experience with PP, especially in regards to BTC. I was here when the scams actually started...
Finally, the fact that they are reversible is only part of the issue. If PP actually went to any means to verify whether the "goods" being BTC were actually sent and didn't always side with the buyer we wouldn't have an issue. The problem is that PP doesn't bother, and hence they simply reverse the transaction and the seller gets nothing.
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Great, so you found an exception. A single exception doesn't really void the rule (especially when are talking about human constructed "rules"). There is a reason why people always tell you to avoid selling your BTC for PP. It's so much easier for a seller to get screwed than a buyer.
"I said you are wrong. It works in both directions." How does what work in both directions? A seller cannot claim they got "hacked" and still retain the money they got sent. All a seller can do is provide as much evidence that they actually sent the good and then cross their fingers. The problem is that Paypal general sides with the buyer, so it's far better to be a buyer than a seller on PP.
Great, so you found an exception. A single exception doesn't really void the rule (especially when are talking about human constructed "rules"). There is a reason why people always tell you to avoid selling your BTC for PP. It's so much easier for a seller to get screwed than a buyer.
"I said you are wrong. It works in both directions." How does what work in both directions? A seller cannot claim they got "hacked" and still retain the money they got sent. All a seller can do is provide as much evidence that they actually sent the good and then cross their fingers. The problem is that Paypal general sides with the buyer, so it's far better to be a buyer than a seller on PP.
You don't seem to know how paypal works, or have any/a lot of paypal experience.
If people are saying that you should not use paypal for buying btc, it is because paypal transactions are irreversible, and not btc transactions.
I said you are wrong. It works in both directions.
30 sec search:
http://askville.amazon.com/Brought-ebay-refund/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4243978
Brought something off ebay, never came, no refund. What to do?
I recently brought a PDA from ebay and after I paid, I looked at the tracking once in a while and one day it said shipped. When I checked the package isn't there. I asked everyone in my family about it, no go. Check the post office, no go. Asked the seller about it, all he replies to me is saying it is shipped. I contacted him many time so after a while of getting no where, I opened a dispute on Paypal. Same thing happened he only reply saying it is shipped. So soon I end the communication and handed it over to Paypal. After their "investigation", they closed the claim and emailed me delineating my claim. Called Paypal about just a few moment ago and they said they won't do anything about it anymore. What should I do?
Asked by Devillords 73 months ago
30 sec search:
http://askville.amazon.com/Brought-ebay-refund/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4243978
Brought something off ebay, never came, no refund. What to do?
I recently brought a PDA from ebay and after I paid, I looked at the tracking once in a while and one day it said shipped. When I checked the package isn't there. I asked everyone in my family about it, no go. Check the post office, no go. Asked the seller about it, all he replies to me is saying it is shipped. I contacted him many time so after a while of getting no where, I opened a dispute on Paypal. Same thing happened he only reply saying it is shipped. So soon I end the communication and handed it over to Paypal. After their "investigation", they closed the claim and emailed me delineating my claim. Called Paypal about just a few moment ago and they said they won't do anything about it anymore. What should I do?
Asked by Devillords 73 months ago
Great, so you found an exception. A single exception doesn't really void the rule (especially when are talking about human constructed "rules"). There is a reason why people always tell you to avoid selling your BTC for PP. It's so much easier for a seller to get screwed than a buyer.
"I said you are wrong. It works in both directions." How does what work in both directions? A seller cannot claim they got "hacked" and still retain the money they got sent. All a seller can do is provide as much evidence that they actually sent the good and then cross their fingers. The problem is that Paypal general sides with the buyer, so it's far better to be a buyer than a seller on PP.
Not really, your example only shows that the seller gets screwed which is what I said. It's a very rare and unlikely possibility that a buyer ever gets screwed if they decide to issue a chargeback on either getting hacked or not receiving their goods and PP does not side with them. I really would like someone to explain to me how a buyer can ever actually get screwed using PP?
I said you are wrong. It works in both directions.
30 sec search:
http://askville.amazon.com/Brought-ebay-refund/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4243978
Brought something off ebay, never came, no refund. What to do?
I recently brought a PDA from ebay and after I paid, I looked at the tracking once in a while and one day it said shipped. When I checked the package isn't there. I asked everyone in my family about it, no go. Check the post office, no go. Asked the seller about it, all he replies to me is saying it is shipped. I contacted him many time so after a while of getting no where, I opened a dispute on Paypal. Same thing happened he only reply saying it is shipped. So soon I end the communication and handed it over to Paypal. After their "investigation", they closed the claim and emailed me delineating my claim. Called Paypal about just a few moment ago and they said they won't do anything about it anymore. What should I do?
Asked by Devillords 73 months ago
He can't charge back 
Paypal doesn't bother to check IPs etc, if you cry that a hacker stole your account, PP will be more than happy to issue a chargeback. PP always sides with the buyer and never the seller, so if you have half a brain and just lie your ass off they will take it at face value.
Both buyers and sellers can be fucked up.
You should search on internet, people selling on eBay, delivering products and getting charged back.
This is false.
Not really, your example only shows that the seller gets screwed which is what I said. It's a very rare and unlikely possibility that a buyer ever gets screwed if they decide to issue a chargeback on either getting hacked or not receiving their goods and PP does not side with them. I really would like someone to explain to me how a buyer can ever actually get screwed using PP?
He can't charge back
Paypal doesn't bother to check IPs etc, if you cry that a hacker stole your account, PP will be more than happy to issue a chargeback. PP always sides with the buyer and never the seller, so if you have half a brain and just lie your ass off they will take it at face value.
Both buyers and sellers can be fucked up.
You should search on internet, people selling on eBay, delivering products and getting charged back.
This is false.
He can't charge back
Paypal doesn't bother to check IPs etc, if you cry that a hacker stole your account, PP will be more than happy to issue a chargeback. PP always sides with the buyer and never the seller, so if you have half a brain and just lie your ass off they will take it at face value.
So just charge back.
It is not possible to charge back:
1) payments sent as gift.
2) payments for virtual goods (like bitcoins).
He can't charge back
Only working way to charge back is:
- fraudulent use of paypal account.
And of course, you need to do it before sending the money (from an other IP/country....).
So just charge back.
Use an exchange instead - much safer.
however if needed I will institute an investigation with the local authorities into this individual.
Regards,
ltiv
Regards,
ltiv
Let me know how that works out for you.
And if you have any more $$ to piss away, since you can just make it back, let me know. I'll at least say thank you...
This will end in tears.
Still, this state of mind is where there is so much scamming and why so many new to BTC, try to get in get scammed and never come back.
You really should have lurked more and done something same. Suspect everything is a scam.
I have been scammed, communications ceased right after payment. Etio, or should I say 'Julian Mcfaddan' continues to come online however refuses to pursue in proceeding to send out the required amount of BTC, really not a big issue. I have proceeded to make necessary steps with Paypal, however if needed I will institute an investigation with the local authorities into this individual.
Regards,
ltiv
This will end in tears.
Payment sent for 0.5BTC over an hour ago, still awaiting delivery.
You should never send first to a new member that has nothing to lose by scamming.
PM him and wait more time. Update your post if it is fixed out ....
But you should:
Use escrow.
Trade with trusted people (like the fucking link I sent you, with a trusted guy who do not scam). I bought some coins from him already.
i could do a small transaction .10 btc?
Pm me
That's fine as well! I've just sent you a pm containing the details along with a mathematical workout of the total payment, will be awaiting your reply!Pm me
let us know how it turns out
i could do a small transaction .10 btc?
Pm me
That's fine as well! I've just sent you a pm containing the details along with a mathematical workout of the total payment, will be awaiting your reply!Pm me
let us know how it turns out
Payment sent for 0.5BTC over an hour ago, still awaiting delivery.
You should never send first to a new member that has nothing to lose by scamming.
PM him and wait more time. Update your post if it is fixed out ....
But you should:
Use escrow.
Trade with trusted people (like the fucking link I sent you, with a trusted guy who do not scam). I bought some coins from him already.
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