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legendary
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WTF
January 05, 2012, 06:43:34 PM
#51
Damn.
legendary
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January 05, 2012, 06:34:58 PM
#50
Even if you're bearish, I don't know why you would sell immediately after a run like that.

I agree, that's weird.  Sometimes when there's a big buy, a bot will do an equally big sell immediately after.  I don't understand that strategy.

This time the sell was relatively puny (~2600 btc sold after ~20k btc bought), and it was minutes afterward, so probably not a bot.

[12:43] Jan04 17:39:35 | Bid: 5.29     | Ask: 5.321    | Last: 5.32098  | Volume: 108690
[12:45] Jan04 17:41:11 | Bid: 5.33847  | Ask: 5.7      | Last: 5.69619  | Volume: 125090
[12:46] Jan04 17:42:43 | Bid: 5.6972   | Ask: 5.7      | Last: 5.7      | Volume: 127795
[12:49] Jan04 17:45:47 | Bid: 5.39216  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.39664  | Volume: 130249
[12:51] Jan04 17:47:20 | Bid: 5.39077  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.23     | Volume: 130462
[12:52] Jan04 17:48:52 | Bid: 5.35035  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.39327  | Volume: 130700

I guess it may be "operator" error. He noticed large buy up to 5.70 and wanted to sell into it. Not realizing the spread is huge ....


*Eureka*.  Just realized that these are bitcoinica stop or trailing stop orders placed to sell at a higher price.  Stop orders become market orders when a target price is breached, so they just get dumped onto the thin bid depth after the upward spike.

These sellers should use limit orders instead, or (if bitcoinica offered them) stop-limit orders.

Shh... its a secret.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
rippleFanatic
January 05, 2012, 06:26:39 PM
#49
Even if you're bearish, I don't know why you would sell immediately after a run like that.

I agree, that's weird.  Sometimes when there's a big buy, a bot will do an equally big sell immediately after.  I don't understand that strategy.

This time the sell was relatively puny (~2600 btc sold after ~20k btc bought), and it was minutes afterward, so probably not a bot.

[12:43] Jan04 17:39:35 | Bid: 5.29     | Ask: 5.321    | Last: 5.32098  | Volume: 108690
[12:45] Jan04 17:41:11 | Bid: 5.33847  | Ask: 5.7      | Last: 5.69619  | Volume: 125090
[12:46] Jan04 17:42:43 | Bid: 5.6972   | Ask: 5.7      | Last: 5.7      | Volume: 127795
[12:49] Jan04 17:45:47 | Bid: 5.39216  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.39664  | Volume: 130249
[12:51] Jan04 17:47:20 | Bid: 5.39077  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.23     | Volume: 130462
[12:52] Jan04 17:48:52 | Bid: 5.35035  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.39327  | Volume: 130700

I guess it may be "operator" error. He noticed large buy up to 5.70 and wanted to sell into it. Not realizing the spread is huge ....


*Eureka*.  Just realized that these are bitcoinica stop or trailing stop orders placed to sell at a higher price.  Stop orders become market orders when a target price is breached, so they just get dumped onto the thin bid depth after the upward spike.

These sellers should use limit orders instead, or (if bitcoinica offered them) stop-limit orders.
donator
Activity: 3108
Merit: 1166
January 04, 2012, 03:46:26 PM
#48
UK, is totally .
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1077
January 04, 2012, 03:40:49 PM
#47
gentlemen on thUSD the party seams to be over, the bear killed the music band and 1btc is 5,349

i can sell you cheap one just for $5,000.00   due to volatility offer expires in 30minutes
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legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
January 04, 2012, 02:57:51 PM
#46
gentlemen on thUSD the party seams to be over, the bear killed the music band and 1btc is 5,349

i can sell you cheap one just for $5,000.00   due to volatility offer expires in 30minutes
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
January 04, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
#45
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
January 04, 2012, 02:52:28 PM
#44
Anyone pondered the whole 'Iran's currency dropping 30% in value in a week' as a possible driving force for this spike? Iran only allows citizens to convert $2000USD in foreign currency at standard rate and people are hustling for a store of value/conduit to a different store of value.

But how do you convert Iranian Rial to Bitcoin without going through USD/EUR/GBP... first?

Is there really no way to get rial into the system? International wire transfers? Why are there so many currencies listed on bitcoinwatch if no one accepts their deposit? Their limit is in converting to cash.
newbie
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January 04, 2012, 02:43:04 PM
#43
You buy video cards?
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legendary
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January 04, 2012, 02:41:27 PM
#42
Anyone pondered the whole 'Iran's currency dropping 30% in value in a week' as a possible driving force for this spike? Iran only allows citizens to convert $2000USD in foreign currency at standard rate and people are hustling for a store of value/conduit to a different store of value.

But how do you convert Iranian Rial to Bitcoin without going through USD/EUR/GBP... first?
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
January 04, 2012, 02:30:15 PM
#41
Anyone pondered the whole 'Iran's currency dropping 30% in value in a week' as a possible driving force for this spike? Iran only allows citizens to convert $2000USD in foreign currency at standard rate and people are hustling for a store of value/conduit to a different store of value.
hero member
Activity: 1138
Merit: 523
January 04, 2012, 02:18:58 PM
#40
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I guess it may be "operator" error. He noticed large buy up to 5.70 and wanted to sell into it. Not realizing the spread is huge ....

It's more likely someone with a stupendously large bitcoinica position trying to guard it by attempting to take advantage of Zhoutong's new algorithm and it's new "no spike liquidation" feature so they can push things down and in that way avoid being Zhoutonged at least in the short term  Wink
hero member
Activity: 531
Merit: 505
January 04, 2012, 01:53:43 PM
#39
I guess it may be "operator" error. He noticed large buy up to 5.70 and wanted to sell into it. Not realizing the spread is huge ....
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1001
rippleFanatic
January 04, 2012, 01:51:53 PM
#38
Even if you're bearish, I don't know why you would sell immediately after a run like that.

I agree, that's weird.  Sometimes when there's a big buy, a bot will do an equally big sell immediately after.  I don't understand that strategy.

This time the sell was relatively puny (~2600 btc sold after ~20k btc bought), and it was minutes afterward, so probably not a bot.

[12:43] Jan04 17:39:35 | Bid: 5.29     | Ask: 5.321    | Last: 5.32098  | Volume: 108690
[12:45] Jan04 17:41:11 | Bid: 5.33847  | Ask: 5.7      | Last: 5.69619  | Volume: 125090
[12:46] Jan04 17:42:43 | Bid: 5.6972   | Ask: 5.7      | Last: 5.7      | Volume: 127795
[12:49] Jan04 17:45:47 | Bid: 5.39216  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.39664  | Volume: 130249
[12:51] Jan04 17:47:20 | Bid: 5.39077  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.23     | Volume: 130462
[12:52] Jan04 17:48:52 | Bid: 5.35035  | Ask: 5.39327  | Last: 5.39327  | Volume: 130700
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
January 04, 2012, 01:32:57 PM
#37
THEY are trying to hide the Bitcoin price from you so you get left behind... Wink
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
January 04, 2012, 01:30:50 PM
#36
Damn, where to look at asks&bids? Everything is down now.

BitcoinCharts are frozen few hours ago. MtGoxLive does not show its page at all. Clark's page does not show trades.

That stupid MtGox own graph does not show latest values neither.

So much to watch now .. but where?
This is what I'm using, it's pretty simple but it's something. http://www.livebitcointicker.com/?exch=mtgox&rr=15&pl=90
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1001
rippleFanatic
January 04, 2012, 01:30:44 PM
#35
In bitcoinica's defense, it seems to be able to track the mtgox price when none of the other tickers can.
newbie
Activity: 21
Merit: 0
January 04, 2012, 01:29:45 PM
#34
hero member
Activity: 531
Merit: 505
January 04, 2012, 01:23:27 PM
#33
Damn, where to look at asks&bids? Everything is down now.

BitcoinCharts are frozen few hours ago. MtGoxLive does not show its page at all. Clark's page does not show trades.

That stupid MtGox own graph does not show latest values neither.

So much to watch now .. but where?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
January 04, 2012, 01:13:33 PM
#32
I'd be willing to bet that this recent wild swing is the doings of bitcoinica replenishing reserves...

... any takers?  2 BTC bet?

from where?  but point well taken.  with a surging mkt and a Bullseye event, no one trades as everyone goes long.  so how would they make money on fees?

they'd need to access more USD's or fiat from somewhere to let the longs buy as well as the shorts.
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