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full member
Activity: 181
Merit: 100
January 18, 2012, 07:23:06 PM
#24
well I'm actually quite surprised on the reactions over here. I mean, yes, I made profits in ranges > 1k USD, and yes, there was a bit of luck with it, however, I didnt realize that people on bitcoinica did never imagine that speculation meant possible loss too.

If you read the forums today, it just seems like the possibility to lose was something totally new to them...

If you think about it, this explains the behaviour. Since they vastly underestimated the probability of loss, they didn't think it strange to trade on gigantic leverage. Nobody who thinks an own mistake likely or sees uncertainties about the market would do heavy margin trading on a crazy market like this one.

Myself, I wouldn't claim to trade safely enough to go all-in, let alone risk even more than that! I don't know what kind of track record one would need to qualify for 1:3 or higher margin trading on Bitcoin, but I doubt such a person is present. Maybe such a person doesn't even exist.

This is why I believe that the current volatility has actually strengthened the market.  It will make the leveraged traders think twice before plunging in, reducing volatility (zhou's move also helps).

It is true that in this environment, every gigantic blunder reduces the likelihood of another one.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
bitcoin hundred-aire
January 18, 2012, 07:05:55 PM
#23
well I'm actually quite surprised on the reactions over here. I mean, yes, I made profits in ranges > 1k USD, and yes, there was a bit of luck with it, however, I didnt realize that people on bitcoinica did never imagine that speculation meant possible loss too.

If you read the forums today, it just seems like the possibility to lose was something totally new to them...

If you think about it, this explains the behaviour. Since they vastly underestimated the probability of loss, they didn't think it strange to trade on gigantic leverage. Nobody who thinks an own mistake likely or sees uncertainties about the market would do heavy margin trading on a crazy market like this one.

Myself, I wouldn't claim to trade safely enough to go all-in, let alone risk even more than that! I don't know what kind of track record one would need to qualify for 1:3 or higher margin trading on Bitcoin, but I doubt such a person is present. Maybe such a person doesn't even exist.

This is why I believe that the current volatility has actually strengthened the market.  It will make the leveraged traders think twice before plunging in, reducing volatility (zhou's move also helps).
legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1002
January 18, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
#22
well I'm actually quite surprised on the reactions over here. I mean, yes, I made profits in ranges > 1k USD, and yes, there was a bit of luck with it, however, I didnt realize that people on bitcoinica did never imagine that speculation meant possible loss too.

If you read the forums today, it just seems like the possibility to lose was something totally new to them...

If you think about it, this explains the behaviour. Since they vastly underestimated the probability of loss, they didn't think it strange to trade on gigantic leverage. Nobody who thinks an own mistake likely or sees uncertainties about the market would do heavy margin trading on a crazy market like this one.

Myself, I wouldn't claim to trade safely enough to go all-in, let alone risk even more than that! I don't know what kind of track record one would need to qualify for 1:3 or higher margin trading on Bitcoin, but I doubt such a person is present. Maybe such a person doesn't even exist.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
January 18, 2012, 06:50:25 PM
#21
well I'm actually quite surprised on the reactions over here. I mean, yes, I made profits in ranges > 1k USD, and yes, there was a bit of luck with it, however, I didnt realize that people on bitcoinica did never imagine that speculation meant possible loss too.

If you read the forums today, it just seems like the possibility to lose was something totally new to them...
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1009
Legen -wait for it- dary
January 18, 2012, 06:40:14 PM
#20
made about 100 btc, when I saw 6.20 broken down I sold all and set buy orders at 5.50 and 5, didn't know it would fall even further, but anyway, easy coin and I helped stop this spike down a little, too Smiley

See? It's people like us who prevented a total collapse by forced liquidation.  Wink
We, as speculators, cushion the swings. It's stupid people with brilliant ideas ( Roll Eyes) that cause them, and bitcoinica that amplifies them.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1010
Borsche
January 18, 2012, 05:07:00 PM
#19
made about 100 btc, when I saw 6.20 broken down I sold all and set buy orders at 5.50 and 5, didn't know it would fall even further, but anyway, easy coin and I helped stop this spike down a little, too Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1009
Legen -wait for it- dary
January 18, 2012, 10:13:29 AM
#18
I managed to make both BTC and USD. You just had to be in the right position and patient.

This^

I fared pretty well too! Up about (censored).   Tongue

Patients is a virtue!
I figured out early yesterday that I was on the wrong side. So I waited, and got opposite the movements, and had my personal best day here.
I'm sure it was more luck than anything. Roll Eyes
I was going all in/out during the madness. I'm a glutton for risk I guess. Yet, I stay away from leverage!
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1001
rippleFanatic
January 17, 2012, 08:50:49 PM
#17
i seriously doubt there are any ppl making any money with this volatility and illiquidity on the exchanges. 
Oh, zhoutong most certainly is! The bank always wins!

i really wonder about this.  whenever he liquidates someone it means their acct moved into negative territory and HE has to take the loss in those situations where he had to provide liquidity from his reserves when there was no matching order to be found.

multiply this over many accts both up and down in this huge whipsaw and he could get wiped out, i think.

He wouldnt have lost a dime. He made a fortune I am sure. The shorts and the longs all got liquidated= pure profit. It is for this reason I question his integrity and wonder if he is the one moving the market with his now large collection of USD and BTC. He certainly has the means to do this unlike anyone else.

Most is probably not his profit; it goes to the people with profitable positions.  The ones with deep enough pockets / big margin maintenance, who can survive the spikes.  Hard to know to what extent zhou can profit off the spread, beyond his commission.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
January 17, 2012, 08:47:10 PM
#16
I only lost  $170 compared to the $1400 I would have lost when it was $4.80 and potentially fallen even farther.


optimism glass is half full/half empty

Lucky on that one!
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
January 17, 2012, 08:43:24 PM
#15
Come on 4.9!!! need to rebuy some bitcoins cheap! Grin
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
January 17, 2012, 08:42:59 PM
#14
i seriously doubt there are any ppl making any money with this volatility and illiquidity on the exchanges. 
Oh, zhoutong most certainly is! The bank always wins!

i really wonder about this.  whenever he liquidates someone it means their acct moved into negative territory and HE has to take the loss in those situations where he had to provide liquidity from his reserves when there was no matching order to be found.

multiply this over many accts both up and down in this huge whipsaw and he could get wiped out, i think.

He wouldnt have lost a dime. He made a fortune I am sure. The shorts and the longs all got liquidated= pure profit. It is for this reason I question his integrity and wonder if he is the one moving the market with his now large collection of USD and BTC. He certainly has the means to do this unlike anyone else.
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
January 17, 2012, 08:41:25 PM
#13
I only lost  $170 compared to the $1400 I would have lost when it was $4.80 and potentially fallen even farther.


optimism glass is half full/half empty
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
January 17, 2012, 08:41:12 PM
#12
I managed to make both BTC and USD. You just had to be in the right position and patient.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
January 17, 2012, 08:40:37 PM
#11
i seriously doubt there are any ppl making any money with this volatility and illiquidity on the exchanges. 
Oh, zhoutong most certainly is! The bank always wins!

i really wonder about this.  whenever he liquidates someone it means their acct moved into negative territory and HE has to take the loss in those situations where he had to provide liquidity from his reserves when there was no matching order to be found.

multiply this over many accts both up and down in this huge whipsaw and he could get wiped out, i think.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
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January 17, 2012, 08:39:41 PM
#10
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1001
rippleFanatic
January 17, 2012, 08:39:32 PM
#9
i seriously doubt there are any ppl making any money with this volatility and illiquidity on the exchanges. 
Oh, zhoutong most certainly is! The bank always wins!

Also mtgox market makers / bots.  For them, nothing better than large spreads.
full member
Activity: 181
Merit: 100
January 17, 2012, 08:37:52 PM
#8
I managed to make some BTC at least.. I think the major losers are bitcoinica users.
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
January 17, 2012, 08:37:43 PM
#7
I wonder if mtgox rolled back the huge sell order somehow.
N12
donator
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1010
January 17, 2012, 08:36:36 PM
#6
i seriously doubt there are any ppl making any money with this volatility and illiquidity on the exchanges. 
Oh, zhoutong most certainly is! The bank always wins!
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 508
Firstbits: 1waspoza
January 17, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
#5
Well ppl said that bouncing between 6,5 -7,2 is boring, so now we have some fun in the market.
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