Topic: [WTS] Casascius 25btc w Mandarin encipher - Fortuna equivalents [SOLD] (Read 1935 times)

Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 08:38:20 PM

Quote from: monkeynuts on May 18, 2015, 09:03:47 AM

Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

when i received this coin from fedex, there was a tax to pay the courier an additional $83.

it was 27.5btc + $83 tax.

50BTC premium for the rare translations from this coin.

The translations are not worth 50 BTC, in fact they are not worth anything in my opinion

dunno, i think someone might appreciate more about this particular coin.

In theory, someone might be willing to pay a slightly higher premium for the translations, however I don't think it is going to be 50 BTC.

Let me ask you this, if someone was selling a 1 BTC Casascius coin with similar translations would you be willing to pay 51 BTC for it? If not then why do you think your coin deserves such a premium? Remember that any premium for rarity is a flat value, not a percentage/multiple of the denomination of the coin

If the seller wants to sell the 1btc coin with similiar translation with mintage 2-5k, for 50btc. Basically it depends on how willing the buyer wants to pay for it. Rare translation on a common coin is probably less desirable than a rare translation on a rarer coin.

I would have to get back to you on the translations, however I do have a silver plus gold hologram Casascius single that is graded MS-67 by ANACS that I'd sell for a similar premium of 50 BTC, so for 50 BTC, hell I'll even give you a good deal and sell it to you for a premium of 40 btc.

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Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 18, 2015, 08:26:19 AM

1BTC error coin still for sale! Offers considered.

Minted in September. Someone needs to put this in a grading slab.

Yep, great early coin. Looks to me like an MS 64 +/- 1 if it was graded by ANACS.

In my mind this coin has a greater premium over face value than the 25 coin does. Every day, of every week,

Thanks. Was wondering what grade it might get from Anacs.

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Quote from: digicoinuser on May 18, 2015, 08:58:46 AM

Quote from: digicoinuser on May 17, 2015, 01:54:17 AM

Quickseller stated it above. Loaded 1BTC casascius coins that sell for 3BTC are receiving a premium of 2BTC for the coin. The premium is the amount over the face value loaded and not a multiple of the face value. This coin has to be exceptionally rare, especially in the buyers eye to gain a price of 75BTC with a premium of 50BTC.

I was just reading the casascius threads where the 1BTC coins were sold at 1.25BTC + 1BTC for shipping and 25BTC coins were sold at 28BTC + 1BTC for shipping. I'm not saying such a premium isn't warranted for this coin as I don't know the specifics of the backstory and previous ownership, but I'm guessing a 3BTC premium back in the day was probably like $30-40? Right now a 2BTC premium is around $475 which means there is quite a difference and we can just imagine what happens to a 50BTC premium, eh? Wink

(approx. $12,000)

How many of these coins were produced that make them this rare?

I disagree. A valuation multiple is how one arrives at the premium. You or Quicksilver or anyone can say - all casascius coins should be sold for the same nominal amount over face value - it could be BTC1, BTC2, BTC10, whatever. The relationship between that amount and face value is the valuation multiple.

You're right that the premium isn't a valuation multiple (they're different things). But I disagree with how you guys are approaching this. I believe the premium paid over face shouldn't be the same. E.g., by your rationale every Casascius coin should be sold for BTC2 over face value, so a BTC1 coin should sell for BTC3 and a BTC0.10 coin should sell for BTC2.10. That doesn't make any sense!

One thing I do agree on is getting the conversation and debate out there. Here's a link to the mintage -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius

Alright, I see a little over 800 for the mintage with ~250 being currently redeemed giving ~550 currently funded.

I wasn't arguing that the premium should be the same over face value for all denominations of casascius coins, if that is what Quicksilver was stating maybe I misunderstood. The fact is that $12,000 is quite a premium and the buyer really needs to want this coin more than a car or a luxury vacation. I could almost guarantee that if a serious buyer offered 50BTC for an ungraded 25BTC casascius someone would come out of the woodwork and sell theirs.

In any aspect, good luck with your sale wheresmycoin.

No the premium should not be the same for all denominations of coins, it should (and does) vary depending on the rarity and desirability (and condition) of the coin. With that being said, the rough premium of one denomination is going to be within a certain range of the premium of another coin. In other words, the premium of all the coins is going to be within a range. It is pretty rare to see a sale price with a premium of more then 3 BTC and one less then .3 BTC (for brass, if you only count silver coins then the smallest premium would be closer to 1.5 or so) for Casascius coins. If you were to strip out the value of the raw metal in the coin the premium range would be even smaller.

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Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 18, 2015, 08:26:19 AM

1BTC error coin still for sale! Offers considered.

Minted in September. Someone needs to put this in a grading slab.

Yep, great early coin. Looks to me like an MS 64 +/- 1 if it was graded by ANACS.

In my mind this coin has a greater premium over face value than the 25 coin does. Every day, of every week,

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Quote from: digicoinuser on May 17, 2015, 01:54:17 AM

Quickseller stated it above. Loaded 1BTC casascius coins that sell for 3BTC are receiving a premium of 2BTC for the coin. The premium is the amount over the face value loaded and not a multiple of the face value. This coin has to be exceptionally rare, especially in the buyers eye to gain a price of 75BTC with a premium of 50BTC.

I was just reading the casascius threads where the 1BTC coins were sold at 1.25BTC + 1BTC for shipping and 25BTC coins were sold at 28BTC + 1BTC for shipping. I'm not saying such a premium isn't warranted for this coin as I don't know the specifics of the backstory and previous ownership, but I'm guessing a 3BTC premium back in the day was probably like $30-40? Right now a 2BTC premium is around $475 which means there is quite a difference and we can just imagine what happens to a 50BTC premium, eh? Wink

(approx. $12,000)

How many of these coins were produced that make them this rare?

I disagree. A valuation multiple is how one arrives at the premium. You or Quicksilver or anyone can say - all casascius coins should be sold for the same nominal amount over face value - it could be BTC1, BTC2, BTC10, whatever. The relationship between that amount and face value is the valuation multiple.

You're right that the premium isn't a valuation multiple (they're different things). But I disagree with how you guys are approaching this. I believe the premium paid over face shouldn't be the same. E.g., by your rationale every Casascius coin should be sold for BTC2 over face value, so a BTC1 coin should sell for BTC3 and a BTC0.10 coin should sell for BTC2.10. That doesn't make any sense!

One thing I do agree on is getting the conversation and debate out there. Here's a link to the mintage -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius

Alright, I see a little over 800 for the mintage with ~250 being currently redeemed giving ~550 currently funded.

I wasn't arguing that the premium should be the same over face value for all denominations of casascius coins, if that is what Quicksilver was stating maybe I misunderstood. The fact is that $12,000 is quite a premium and the buyer really needs to want this coin more than a car or a luxury vacation. I could almost guarantee that if a serious buyer offered 50BTC for an ungraded 25BTC casascius someone would come out of the woodwork and sell theirs.

In any aspect, good luck with your sale wheresmycoin.

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1BTC error coin still for sale! Offers considered.

Minted in September. Someone needs to put this in a grading slab.

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 16, 2015, 10:23:43 PM

Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 09:12:56 PM

Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 08:38:20 PM

Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

when i received this coin from fedex, there was a tax to pay the courier an additional $83.

it was 27.5btc + $83 tax.

50BTC premium for the rare translations from this coin.

The translations are not worth 50 BTC, in fact they are not worth anything in my opinion

dunno, i think someone might appreciate more about this particular coin.

In theory, someone might be willing to pay a slightly higher premium for the translations, however I don't think it is going to be 50 BTC.

Let me ask you this, if someone was selling a 1 BTC Casascius coin with similar translations would you be willing to pay 51 BTC for it? If not then why do you think your coin deserves such a premium? Remember that any premium for rarity is a flat value, not a percentage/multiple of the denomination of the coin

If the seller wants to sell the 1btc coin with similiar translation with mintage 2-5k, for 50btc. Basically it depends on how willing the buyer wants to pay for it. Rare translation on a common coin is probably less desirable than a rare translation on a rarer coin.

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Quote from: digicoinuser on May 17, 2015, 01:54:17 AM

Quote from: Possum577 on May 17, 2015, 01:21:57 AM

Jesus 75btc for a 25btc coin that's unreal Shocked

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Actually, given that BTC1 casascius coins go for 2-3 times the value of the bitcoin loaded on the coin, the BTC75 price tag isn't that far off for a BTC25 coin. I wish we had more information on what these coins have sold for in the past.

Quickseller stated it above. Loaded 1BTC casascius coins that sell for 3BTC are receiving a premium of 2BTC for the coin. The premium is the amount over the face value loaded and not a multiple of the face value. This coin has to be exceptionally rare, especially in the buyers eye to gain a price of 75BTC with a premium of 50BTC.

I was just reading the casascius threads where the 1BTC coins were sold at 1.25BTC + 1BTC for shipping and 25BTC coins were sold at 28BTC + 1BTC for shipping. I'm not saying such a premium isn't warranted for this coin as I don't know the specifics of the backstory and previous ownership, but I'm guessing a 3BTC premium back in the day was probably like $30-40? Right now a 2BTC premium is around $475 which means there is quite a difference and we can just imagine what happens to a 50BTC premium, eh? Wink

(approx. $12,000)

How many of these coins were produced that make them this rare?

I disagree. A valuation multiple is how one arrives at the premium. You or Quicksilver or anyone can say - all casascius coins should be sold for the same nominal amount over face value - it could be BTC1, BTC2, BTC10, whatever. The relationship between that amount and face value is the valuation multiple.

You're right that the premium isn't a valuation multiple (they're different things). But I disagree with how you guys are approaching this. I believe the premium paid over face shouldn't be the same. E.g., by your rationale every Casascius coin should be sold for BTC2 over face value, so a BTC1 coin should sell for BTC3 and a BTC0.10 coin should sell for BTC2.10. That doesn't make any sense!

One thing I do agree on is getting the conversation and debate out there. Here's a link to the mintage -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius

It depends on the coin 100%

2013 Brass command hardly any premium due to supply and desirability. Some coins command huge premiums while others do not regardless of how many were minted. Take a look at the 2011 brass singles for example. The 2011 Series 1 (error hologram) has one of the largest premiums while the 2011 Series 2 (much less minted) command no where near the same.

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Quote from: digicoinuser on May 17, 2015, 01:54:17 AM

a BTC0.10 coin should sell for BTC2.10.

I have one that I will sell for that price if anyone is interested.

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Quote from: Possum577 on May 17, 2015, 01:21:57 AM

Quote from: bitmarket.io on May 17, 2015, 01:05:11 PM

Jesus 75btc for a 25btc coin that's unreal Shocked

.

Actually, given that BTC1 casascius coins go for 2-3 times the value of the bitcoin loaded on the coin, the BTC75 price tag isn't that far off for a BTC25 coin. I wish we had more information on what these coins have sold for in the past.

Quickseller stated it above. Loaded 1BTC casascius coins that sell for 3BTC are receiving a premium of 2BTC for the coin. The premium is the amount over the face value loaded and not a multiple of the face value. This coin has to be exceptionally rare, especially in the buyers eye to gain a price of 75BTC with a premium of 50BTC.

I was just reading the casascius threads where the 1BTC coins were sold at 1.25BTC + 1BTC for shipping and 25BTC coins were sold at 28BTC + 1BTC for shipping. I'm not saying such a premium isn't warranted for this coin as I don't know the specifics of the backstory and previous ownership, but I'm guessing a 3BTC premium back in the day was probably like $30-40? Right now a 2BTC premium is around $475 which means there is quite a difference and we can just imagine what happens to a 50BTC premium, eh? Wink

(approx. $12,000)

How many of these coins were produced that make them this rare?

I disagree. A valuation multiple is how one arrives at the premium. You or Quicksilver or anyone can say - all casascius coins should be sold for the same nominal amount over face value - it could be BTC1, BTC2, BTC10, whatever. The relationship between that amount and face value is the valuation multiple.

You're right that the premium isn't a valuation multiple (they're different things). But I disagree with how you guys are approaching this. I believe the premium paid over face shouldn't be the same. E.g., by your rationale every Casascius coin should be sold for BTC2 over face value, so a BTC1 coin should sell for BTC3 and a BTC0.10 coin should sell for BTC2.10. That doesn't make any sense!

One thing I do agree on is getting the conversation and debate out there. Here's a link to the mintage -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius

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Still sticking to the asking price in op.

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Multiples of face value don't work comparing between different denoms

It's Mark ups over face values due to rarity, condition or desirability

It is exactly the face value of these particular coins that makes it harder to gain a significant mark up. Just not enough folks into physical crypto, with that kind of loose change

As for the translations. If you get 75 for that coin, I can only assume that somewhere in the address there is also 'MUG'. Translated into mandarin as sucker. I have had to check the calendar to make sure it's not April 1st. Thanks for the chuckles.

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Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 17, 2015, 09:54:10 AM

Currently, out of all cas coins, only the 25BTC has been way undervalued.

good chance to invest in this coin now before the premium price catches on later, which I think the chances are pretty high.

I really doubt anyone is going to pay extra 50BTC premium for the coin man

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Currently, out of all cas coins, only the 25BTC has been way undervalued.

good chance to invest in this coin now before the premium price catches on later, which I think the chances are pretty high.

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I should make a price guide for these coins lol..

25's recently sold for 27.5 - I know of 4 @ that price - They do not come up for sale often

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I'm going to follow the view of most the people in the thread...
The coin itself may be worth 2-3 BTC over face value.
The fact that it's address/transactions can be translated into something are really a reason for anyone to pay more.
I'm not going to pretend that it's not cool, but it's a bit far fetched, especially for a 50 BTC premium.

Good luck with the sale though!

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Quote from: TookDk on May 16, 2015, 06:25:08 PM

Quote from: gentlemand on May 16, 2015, 05:55:27 PM

That might be a coin with an unfortunate history.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charlie-shrem-is-scammer-watch-out-817069

Not that the seller has done anything wrong.

I believe it was culexevilman who bought that coin from Charlie.
But of cause, I do not know if wheresmycoin bought it later from culexevilman?

Hey Took, long time no speak hows tricks my man

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It still doesn't warrant that price tag does it?

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Last recorded I remember was PsychoticBoy who sold his for 28, I remember he was trying for a long time to get 30 both here and on #bitcoinotc, but had to move on the price because he needed the money for personal stuff. I would be extremely surprised if this one will go for above 30 BTC. The coin are super nice, but very hard to move.

Nevertheless I wish wheresmycoin goodluck with the sale

I'm fine thanks for asking, glad you are too

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I'll second that, good luck with your sale wheresmycoin

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Quote from: Possum577 on May 17, 2015, 01:21:57 AM

Jesus 75btc for a 25btc coin that's unreal Shocked

.

Actually, given that BTC1 casascius coins go for 2-3 times the value of the bitcoin loaded on the coin, the BTC75 price tag isn't that far off for a BTC25 coin. I wish we had more information on what these coins have sold for in the past.

Quickseller stated it above. Loaded 1BTC casascius coins that sell for 3BTC are receiving a premium of 2BTC for the coin. The premium is the amount over the face value loaded and not a multiple of the face value. This coin has to be exceptionally rare, especially in the buyers eye to gain a price of 75BTC with a premium of 50BTC.

I was just reading the casascius threads where the 1BTC coins were sold at 1.25BTC + 1BTC for shipping and 25BTC coins were sold at 28BTC + 1BTC for shipping. I'm not saying such a premium isn't warranted for this coin as I don't know the specifics of the backstory and previous ownership, but I'm guessing a 3BTC premium back in the day was probably like $30-40? Right now a 2BTC premium is around $475 which means there is quite a difference and we can just imagine what happens to a 50BTC premium, eh? Wink

(approx. $12,000)

How many of these coins were produced that make them this rare?

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Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 09:12:56 PM

Jesus 75btc for a 25btc coin that's unreal Shocked

.

Actually, given that BTC1 casascius coins go for 2-3 times the value of the bitcoin loaded on the coin, the BTC75 price tag isn't that far off for a BTC25 coin. I wish we had more information on what these coins have sold for in the past.

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Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 08:38:20 PM

Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

when i received this coin from fedex, there was a tax to pay the courier an additional $83.

it was 27.5btc + $83 tax.

50BTC premium for the rare translations from this coin.

The translations are not worth 50 BTC, in fact they are not worth anything in my opinion

dunno, i think someone might appreciate more about this particular coin.

In theory, someone might be willing to pay a slightly higher premium for the translations, however I don't think it is going to be 50 BTC.

Let me ask you this, if someone was selling a 1 BTC Casascius coin with similar translations would you be willing to pay 51 BTC for it? If not then why do you think your coin deserves such a premium? Remember that any premium for rarity is a flat value, not a percentage/multiple of the denomination of the coin

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Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 08:38:20 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 16, 2015, 08:52:06 PM

Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

when i received this coin from fedex, there was a tax to pay the courier an additional $83.

it was 27.5btc + $83 tax.

50BTC premium for the rare translations from this coin.

The translations are not worth 50 BTC, in fact they are not worth anything in my opinion

dunno, i think someone might appreciate more about this particular coin.

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Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 08:38:20 PM

Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 08:38:20 PM

Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

when i received this coin from fedex, there was a tax to pay the courier an additional $83.

it was 27.5btc + $83 tax.

50BTC premium for the rare translations from this coin.

I will just assume you are trolling us with that statement...you can not be serious.

i've confirmed through the whole address list for all 25BTC(ver 1 and ver 2) from uberbills. Only this coin has the rare translation.

so you won't be paying for nothing on the premium.

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Quote from: wheresmycoin on May 16, 2015, 08:38:20 PM

Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

when i received this coin from fedex, there was a tax to pay the courier an additional $83.

it was 27.5btc + $83 tax.

50BTC premium for the rare translations from this coin.

The translations are not worth 50 BTC, in fact they are not worth anything in my opinion

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Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

when i received this coin from fedex, there was a tax to pay the courier an additional $83.

it was 27.5btc + $83 tax.

50BTC premium for the rare translations from this coin.

I will just assume you are trolling us with that statement...you can not be serious.

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 16, 2015, 05:55:27 PM

That might be a coin with an unfortunate history.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charlie-shrem-is-scammer-watch-out-817069

Not that the seller has done anything wrong.

I believe it was culexevilman who bought that coin from Charlie.
But of cause, I do not know if wheresmycoin bought it later from culexevilman?

Hey Took, long time no speak hows tricks my man

.

It still doesn't warrant that price tag does it?

charlie has two 25BTC coins. Each of us both bought one directly from charlie.

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Quote from: TookDk on May 16, 2015, 06:25:08 PM

Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

when i received this coin from fedex, there was a tax to pay the courier an additional $83.

it was 27.5btc + $83 tax.

50BTC premium for the rare translations from this coin.

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Ill give you 27.5BTC + cover all the shipping costs for the 25btc coin

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 16, 2015, 05:55:27 PM

That might be a coin with an unfortunate history.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charlie-shrem-is-scammer-watch-out-817069

Not that the seller has done anything wrong.

I believe it was culexevilman who bought that coin from Charlie.
But of cause, I do not know if wheresmycoin bought it later from culexevilman?

Hey Took, long time no speak hows tricks my man

.

It still doesn't warrant that price tag does it?

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Last recorded I remember was PsychoticBoy who sold his for 28, I remember he was trying for a long time to get 30 both here and on #bitcoinotc, but had to move on the price because he needed the money for personal stuff. I would be extremely surprised if this one will go for above 30 BTC. The coin are super nice, but very hard to move.

Nevertheless I wish wheresmycoin goodluck with the sale

thanks! this looks to be a different coin, with some important translations from the addy.

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Quote from: bitmarket.io on May 16, 2015, 05:54:33 PM

75BTC

LOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL

i'll offer you 27 for it

i purchased it directly from charlie for 27.5.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on May 16, 2015, 04:43:22 PM

50 bitcoin premium on the 25? Dont know what you are getting at with the addy and because you bought it from charlie doesnt put a premium on it. If you need the btc I would start around 30 and work from there. Are you willing to come off of your price?

50 bitcoin premium is also for the two auspicious mandarin translation from the casascius addy, as mentioned in main OP.

Can someone confirm the translation?

Not looking to reduce pricing at the moment. Need the $ to pay for some legal fees.

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Quote from: Blazed on May 16, 2015, 01:11:40 PM

Quote from: notserp on May 16, 2015, 01:09:58 PM

lol 75btc for the 25b coin, sellers have a hard time selling them for 27btc.

Exactly...

I offer 26.5 for it though + cover insured shipping. Also can you post an up close of the front of the 25?

photo uploaded

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Not sure why these are such a tough sell with the low markup and low mint numbers. I will admit they are by far the ugliest coin Casascius made.

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 16, 2015, 05:55:27 PM

That might be a coin with an unfortunate history.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charlie-shrem-is-scammer-watch-out-817069

Not that the seller has done anything wrong.

I believe it was culexevilman who bought that coin from Charlie.
But of cause, I do not know if wheresmycoin bought it later from culexevilman?

Hey Took, long time no speak hows tricks my man

.

It still doesn't warrant that price tag does it?

I am doing good, and you?

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Last recorded I remember was PsychoticBoy who sold his for 28, I remember he was trying for a long time to get 30 both here and on #bitcoinotc, but had to move on the price because he needed the money for personal stuff. I would be extremely surprised if this one will go for above 30 BTC. The coin are super nice, but very hard to move.

Nevertheless I wish wheresmycoin goodluck with the sale

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 16, 2015, 05:55:27 PM

That might be a coin with an unfortunate history.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charlie-shrem-is-scammer-watch-out-817069

Not that the seller has done anything wrong.

I believe it was culexevilman who bought that coin from Charlie.
(and yes, you can't blame the person who bought the coin from Charlie)

None of my goddamn business anyway. It's a fine coin. Kudos to the seller if they achieve that price.

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 16, 2015, 05:55:27 PM

That might be a coin with an unfortunate history.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charlie-shrem-is-scammer-watch-out-817069

Not that the seller has done anything wrong.

I believe it was culexevilman who bought that coin from Charlie.
But of cause, I do not know if wheresmycoin bought it later from culexevilman?

Hey Took, long time no speak hows tricks my man

.

It still doesn't warrant that price tag does it?

lol no..

Upping my offer to 27.25BTC

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