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sr. member
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January 17, 2016, 06:08:20 PM
#36
The total sqft of the building is not 1000sqft. This building does that fall under high intensity usage, so the rate will be under <3cents/kWh



Are there 2 separate meters?  One for the location next door and one for this location?

How are we to be sure the PUD uses the square foot used by the "metered" space?



You will have to ask the PUD, I can not speak for them.
legendary
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January 17, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
#35
The total sqft of the building is not 1000sqft. This building does that fall under high intensity usage, so the rate will be under <3cents/kWh

Are there 2 separate meters?  One for the location next door and one for this location?

How are we to be sure the PUD uses the square feet used by the "metered" space or for the entire building with multiple meters?

sr. member
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January 17, 2016, 06:01:43 PM
#34
What I'm about to point out is NOT to create an argument.  It's not to put anyone in a negative light.  I'm simply creating discussion in the forum to make sure all members of the bitcoin mining community are protected and KNOW what they are possibly getting into.  I too am interested in the place.  

HOWEVER, BEFORE COMMITTING TO THIS LOCATION, ONE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:

This is the most important paragraph of the following article:  http://www.govtech.com/dc/articles/High-Capacity-Data-Centers-Blindsided-by-Increase-in-Utilities-Charges.html

Urged by staff, commissioners agreed in December 2014 to impose a moratorium on all new applications for large amounts of power — 1 average megawatt or more — to give staff time to study how to handle a potential spike in demand. The moratorium was later refined to only “high-density” applicants whose businesses would use 250 kilowatt hours of electricity per square foot of space per year, but less than 5 average megawatts overall. Users of more than 5 megawatts need a power contract with the PUD.

Now here is the math:

400 Amp service in the location.  If one uses 80% of the 400 amps to be safe, this would be 320 amps.

320 Amps x 240 Volts = 76,800 Watts OR 76.8 kW

Your demand would be 76.8 kW per hour x 730 hours in a month = 56,064 kWh in a month (730 hours)

56,064 kWh x 12 months in a year = 672,768 kWH

Now, the paragraph wants us to divide the 672,768 kWh in a year by the square feet of the location.  The square feet of the location is 1,000 feet.

672,768 kWh divided by 1,000 square feet = 672.768 kWh per square foot in a year.  THIS IS MORE THAN THE 250 kWh OF ELECTRICITY ALLOWED.

Again, this was NOT to create an argument.  I'm not trying to become enemies with anyone.  I'm simply trying to create discussion to determine if it is worth it or not.

I'm actually interested in the place and I have requested an application to fill out.  However, I'm not following through if I find out it is in Chelan County.  It is sounding more and more like Chelan County may have to be avoided like the plague.

Best Regards,

David

The total sqft of the building is not 1000sqft. This building does that fall under high intensity usage, so the rate will be under <3cents/kWh
legendary
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January 17, 2016, 05:59:16 PM
#33
What I'm about to point out is NOT to create an argument.  It's not to put anyone in a negative light.  I'm simply creating discussion in the forum to make sure all members of the bitcoin mining community are protected and KNOW what they are possibly getting into.  I too am interested in the place.  

HOWEVER, BEFORE COMMITTING TO THIS LOCATION, ONE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:

This is the most important paragraph of the following article:  http://www.govtech.com/dc/articles/High-Capacity-Data-Centers-Blindsided-by-Increase-in-Utilities-Charges.html

Urged by staff, commissioners agreed in December 2014 to impose a moratorium on all new applications for large amounts of power — 1 average megawatt or more — to give staff time to study how to handle a potential spike in demand. The moratorium was later refined to only “high-density” applicants whose businesses would use 250 kilowatt hours of electricity per square foot of space per year, but less than 5 average megawatts overall. Users of more than 5 megawatts need a power contract with the PUD.

Now here is the math:

400 Amp service in the location.  If one uses 80% of the 400 amps to be safe, this would be 320 amps.

320 Amps x 240 Volts = 76,800 Watts OR 76.8 kW

Your demand would be 76.8 kW per hour x 730 hours in a month = 56,064 kWh in a month (730 hours)

56,064 kWh x 12 months in a year = 672,768 kWH

Now, the paragraph wants us to divide the 672,768 kWh in a year by the square feet of the location.  The square feet of the location is 1,000 feet.

672,768 kWh divided by 1,000 square feet = 672.768 kWh per square foot in a year.  THIS IS MORE THAN THE 250 kWh OF ELECTRICITY ALLOWED.

Again, this was NOT to create an argument.  I'm not trying to become enemies with anyone.  I'm simply trying to create discussion to determine if it is worth it or not.

I'm actually interested in the place and I have requested an application to fill out.  However, I'm not following through if I find out it is in Chelan County.  It is sounding more and more like Chelan County may have to be avoided like the plague.

Best Regards,

David

EDIT:  I think, for starters, we need to know the location or at least the county it is in.
newbie
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January 17, 2016, 04:16:57 PM
#32
Definitely wished I lived closer to take advantage of this... hard to find datacenters where I am located.
sr. member
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January 17, 2016, 03:50:18 PM
#31
is the lease triple net? lease length?

No. 1 year
sr. member
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January 17, 2016, 03:49:56 PM
#30
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<3cent/kWh electric rate

Is the rate static or does it vary with season?

Static
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January 17, 2016, 03:34:52 PM
#29
is the lease triple net? lease length?
newbie
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January 17, 2016, 12:59:21 PM
#28
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<3cent/kWh electric rate

Is the rate static or does it vary with season?
hero member
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January 17, 2016, 12:16:05 PM
#27
Any pics to get a better idea of space for those interested?  Or would that impose on the other tenant/s? 
It is a great opportunity for someone just wished I lived on the other side of the mountains.
sr. member
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January 16, 2016, 11:18:10 PM
#26
couple last questions. sorry for so many.
any windows if so size / type? how many doors & what size / type? How many separate meters for the 3 panels? any neighbors and if so what kind of businesses? building is made of what?

There are a few large windows and a door. Don't know exact sizes. You will have 1 meter. Masonry building. There is a business next door.
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January 16, 2016, 11:13:38 PM
#25
couple last questions. sorry for so many.
any windows if so size / type? how many doors & what size / type? How many separate meters for the 3 panels? any neighbors and if so what kind of businesses? building is made of what?
sr. member
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January 16, 2016, 11:08:38 PM
#24
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January 16, 2016, 11:06:15 PM
#23
who is paying the cooling?
sr. member
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January 16, 2016, 10:33:29 PM
#22
is the cooling being powered from the same panels?

No
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January 16, 2016, 10:31:52 PM
#21
is the cooling being powered from the same panels?
sr. member
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January 16, 2016, 09:58:39 PM
#20
and what is the cooling capacity? raised floor?

No raised floor. I don't have an exact number for you. But it has cooled 100kW before.
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January 16, 2016, 09:54:52 PM
#19
and what is the cooling capacity? raised floor?
sr. member
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January 16, 2016, 06:23:04 PM
#18
commercial space or residential?

Commercial
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January 16, 2016, 06:22:24 PM
#17
commercial space or residential?
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