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Topic: [WTS] Memory foam mattresses, valued at $2700 USD for $400 USD worth of BTC - page 2. (Read 4806 times)

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Gerald Davis
I have already gotten confirmation from Nature's Sleep that the order is fraudulent and will not ship. If I can get them to send me an email stating this, will that suffice?

Sure.  have them send a copy directly to [email protected] and I will release the escrow.
If they can't/won't I forward me a copy and I will release escrow once I confirm it with them.

You can confirm via blockchain I haven't moved the escrow:
https://blockchain.info/address/1BAs2AZuGf7BW2upeAH3MYXPTfU9GhtaZy

I know this may be annoying but I wouldn't be very good escrow agent if I simply returned funds based on the statements of a single party.  It doesn't mean I don't trust you but I need to be impartial.  I hope you understand.

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I dont think anything the seller says now will be the truth, hes just going to try and scam his way in to receiving the funds. (what if he says it shipped and i received it, etc)

To avoid an automatic release back to you in 72 hours I would want to see a Fedex tracking # showing shipment (not just pending) along with confirmation from the company on shipment.  If that isn't provided then funds will be released back automatically in 72 hours. Even if it does ship, funds will not go to the seller they will just stay in escrow until resolved.
legendary
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DAT, if theres more info you need from me let me know. Nature's Sleep has offered to sell me the same mattress for $599, which is very nice of them.

lolwut,
I trust you and this does smell like a scam but it becomes my rep and the escrow agent needs to be impartial.   If I return the escrow, the item ships anyways, and the order was valid well that is a pretty good "reverse scam" and my rep as an escrow agent suffers.

Your funds are safe and while this may be unpopular I hope you understand I am going to wait 72 hours, or until I get verified proof that the order is canceled, or the seller agrees to a release (whichever comes first) before releasing the funds.

Congrats on catching a potentially very expensive scam (if it is a scam my guess is the company would be looking for $2700 in damages).

longtimenosee,
if you have any information to make in your defense feel free to post it here or by PM.  Barring shipment confirmation I will be returning the funds to lolwut in 72 hours.   If the item ships then I can't release the funds but they won't be going to the seller until we get some solid evidence the deal is on the up and up.

mods,
can we get a scammer tag to warn other potential buyers (and escrow agents who get annoyed when caught up in dumb shit like this Smiley )

I have already gotten confirmation from Nature's Sleep that the order is fraudulent and will not ship. If I can get them to send me an email stating this, will that suffice? I dont think anything the seller says now will be the truth, hes just going to try and scam his way in to receiving the funds. (what if he says it shipped and i received it, etc)
donator
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Gerald Davis
DAT, if theres more info you need from me let me know. Nature's Sleep has offered to sell me the same mattress for $599, which is very nice of them.

lolwut,
I trust you and this does smell like a scam but it becomes my rep and the escrow agent needs to be impartial.   If I return the escrow, the item ships anyways, and the order was valid well that is a pretty good "reverse scam" and my rep as an escrow agent suffers.

Your funds are safe and while this may be unpopular I hope you understand I am going to wait 72 hours, or until I get verified proof that the order is canceled, or the seller agrees to a release (whichever comes first) before releasing the funds.

Congrats on catching a potentially very expensive scam (if it is a scam my guess is the company would be looking for $2700 in damages).

longtimenosee,
if you have any information to make in your defense feel free to post it here or by PM.  Barring shipment confirmation I will be returning the funds to lolwut in 72 hours.   If the item ships then I can't release the funds but they won't be going to the seller until we get some solid evidence the deal is on the up and up.

mods,
can we get a scammer tag to warn other potential buyers (and escrow agents who get annoyed when caught up in dumb shit like this Smiley )
donator
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Gerald Davis
Yeah it takes a few things; An escrow provider to make the scammer start the process, and a smart buyer that knows what a red flag looks like. Grin

That I will agree with.  Escrow is good because without it the carder could have gotten funds anyways but it does require a smart buyer.
legendary
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if windixie or publix or whatever prints a coupon that says buy 1 get 1 free but forgets to say "1 per household" or some kind of stipulation would you consider it illegal if someone notices it and goes to the store with 5-10 of those coupons? Or even bundles those coupons with others....just to give you an example.

I said "great, give me your address and I will ship the item back to you if I receive it"

Ok let me see what I can do first on my end to cancel it first, Never had to deal with a cancellation...really wish this would have been addressed from the beginning though. If they tell me its possible for me to cancel it then there should be no issue. Give me about an hour to get home and call them. But as I said. Everyone wins, they did get paid at a bulk rate, I make a few dollars, you get a discount and they get free marketing...But give me an hour

lets see what happens next!
legendary
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100% legal exploit....lol
rjk
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1ngldh
legendary
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I already used my voucher to place your order, now it will be a hassle to have it switched over since I don't have any open orders right now. If you were having concerns you should have addressed them before I placed your order. I am not sure what you said when you called but I thought it went without saying that if someone is able to get that good of a discount on a product then that means they know something you do not, im not sure what you said when you contacted them. If it were a fraudulent order and they so easily told you so then I am sure they would not plan on delivering the product. That goes without saying doesn't it? So when they do ship it let me know what you think then Wink As far as how its done, I will say that it is not fraudulent but an exploitation in a system which is 100% legal. Either way they win, i win, the customer wins. But let me know how you want to proceed soon, ideally within the next 3-4 hours because once they ship it then I technically am screwed and have to have you reship back to me  Sad
legendary
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I just got off the phone with the company again. They verified this order IS FRAUDULENT. He ordered 2 kings and 2 queens on the same gift code. He has placed over 100 gift card orders using the same name. So either their website has been compromised or he has been carding up a storm.

the info he used for the orders:


[email protected]
786-863-9087
ip: 32.132.254.101

he's using att prepaids for phone/web to place each order. can we have a mod check the ip hes been using to access the forum? my guess is hes using tor.

DAT, if theres more info you need from me let me know. Nature's Sleep has offered to sell me the same mattress for $599, which is very nice of them.
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Damn good catch. I was waiting until your order cleared before I purchased one.
rjk
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1ngldh
...wow. Goddamn carders leaching off of the Bitcoin community. Good thing we have trusted escrow providers.

Well the bad news is escrow doesn't provide any protection from carders.
If lolwut received the item and asked me to clear the escrow then I would have.

It would be 30-180 days later before either the company requests a demand notice for $2700 or the Police show up at his doorstep.

If anything this shows the limitation of escrow and the long reach of reversible transactions.

You're my hero  Grin
Yeah it takes a few things; An escrow provider to make the scammer start the process, and a smart buyer that knows what a red flag looks like. Grin
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legendary
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...wow. Goddamn carders leaching off of the Bitcoin community. Good thing we have trusted escrow providers.

Well the bad news is escrow doesn't provide any protection from carders.
If lolwut received the item and asked me to clear the escrow then I would have.

It would be 30-180 days later before either the company requests a demand notice for $2700 or the Police show up at his doorstep.

If anything this shows the limitation of escrow and the long reach of reversible transactions.

You're my hero  Grin
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1079
Gerald Davis
...wow. Goddamn carders leaching off of the Bitcoin community. Good thing we have trusted escrow providers.

Well the bad news is escrow doesn't provide any protection from carders.
If lolwut received the item and asked me to clear the escrow then I would have.

It would be 30-180 days later before either the company requests a demand notice for $2700 or the Police show up at his doorstep.

If anything this shows the limitation of escrow and the long reach of reversible transactions.
legendary
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lets hope he did a good job covering his tracks, because I'm very good at finding things.

Looks like the ip he was using belongs to an ATT tower in Lake Mary, Florida. That's about 20 minutes from where I live. More info to come.
legendary
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...wow. Goddamn carders leaching off of the Bitcoin community. Good thing we have trusted escrow providers.

yeah, as soon as i saw my info on billing and shipping and the gift code, i had to call the mfgr.
rjk
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1ngldh
...wow. Goddamn carders leaching off of the Bitcoin community. Good thing we have trusted escrow providers.
legendary
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*** FRAUD ALERT ***

After the seller received confirmation the funds were in escrow, he sent me portion of what looked to be a receipt. The receipt showed My name and address as the billing and shipping info. Then he showed this:

Payment Information:
Payment Method: Prepaid
Items
Qty   Item #   Description   Price Each   Total
1   NS51200-GKG    12” Nature’s Sleep Memory Foam Mattress - King
$2,700.00   $2,700.00
Subtotal:   $2,700.00
Less Coupon  KFRV****:   ($2,700.00)
Subtotal:   $0.00
Tax :   $0.00
Shipping (FedEx Services):   $405.00
Free Shipping:   ($405.00)
Shipping Subtotal:   $0.00
Total:   $0.00
Balance Due:   $0.00


So I called Nature's Sleep at 877-557-5337. They have been having lots of issues with people using stolen credit cards to buy gift codes, then using the gift codes to place orders for people. They also said he ordered multiple mattresses with the same card. So if anyone else here orderes from him please speak up!!

Thats enough red flags for me, but theres more.

Nature's Sleep gave me his IP and email. His ip is a mobile device and it has only been used once on their entire website (my order). I am waiting to speak with someone in their IT department, as well as having them find out where the code he used came from. If this is just a coincidence, i apolgize in advance, but I'm quite doubtful.

(I will remove this post if this turns out to be an honest order.)
hero member
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There's no option for queen sized, is there?
legendary
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finally getting a good nights sleep!!!!
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