[WTS] Shares/Hardware 5 x Avalon Batch 2

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

Quote from: TomKeddie on November 08, 2013, 12:01:41 PM

Quote from: emanymton on April 21, 2013, 07:05:59 AM

deposit of 250btc has been paid for all 5 units.
transaction id: 18bcb8cf-b0b9-462f-9048-982b3df56370.
the remaining balance will be paid when the shipping is confirmed Tongue

Saving this post, this guys is not responding after receiving my money.

I'm sorry? You must be kidding, or maybe you are quoting the wrong guy. (that's probable, since that you have nothing to do with this sale for what i can understand).
I have full and complete proof of having refunded that deposit (i could have keep it, but i didn't do it.).

emanymton itself can confirm it.

Thanks for the joke, but try again at a later time, please.

TomKeddie

full member

Activity: 176

Merit: 100

Quote from: emanymton on April 21, 2013, 07:05:59 AM

deposit of 250btc has been paid for all 5 units.
transaction id: 18bcb8cf-b0b9-462f-9048-982b3df56370.
the remaining balance will be paid when the shipping is confirmed Tongue

Saving this post, this guys is not responding after receiving my money.

sagiko

newbie

Activity: 58

Merit: 0

@cedivad

Received the full refund (and the extra bits). Thanks.

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

I sold one unit escrowed to bresso trough John K. and another 3 without escrow to an undefined guy that will post here in the following hours.
I have one unit left, that i'm using for the shares, i sold 10 out of 125 of it. I'm thinking about keeping that unit for myself and to refund the shares. I think that it would be a mess to handle the shares for only one unit, since that i will have to do it for a long time. Worst case, dear shares buyer, i will refund you.

Looks like that the sale went fast once that i lowered the price!

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

Quote from: sagiko on May 02, 2013, 08:02:13 AM

Sent 10btc. Transaction ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/164ddbdc21093ebd6b45387754564c622e9e0ef7b0f87618f685fa72f8546c13

Thanks for the trust! Payments will be made to the sending address, just to recall it for others...

sagiko

newbie

Activity: 58

Merit: 0

Sent 10btc. Transaction ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/164ddbdc21093ebd6b45387754564c622e9e0ef7b0f87618f685fa72f8546c13

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

Quote from: starsoccer9 on May 02, 2013, 07:04:48 AM

please correct me if im wrong but isnt a avalon 60ghash. so why cants I just buy 60ghashs for 120btc and then get the unit shipped to me?

No, they mine at roughly 67GH. For 125BTC, you can have it shipped to you, yes.

@sagiko: thanks!

starsoccer9

legendary

Activity: 1630

Merit: 1000

please correct me if im wrong but isnt a avalon 60ghash. so why cants I just buy 60ghashs for 120btc and then get the unit shipped to me?

sagiko

newbie

Activity: 58

Merit: 0

Alright, 10btc from me. Will send that later today.

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

Because having 125 btc now is worth more than 200 20 days from now if you think that the btc price is gonna crash.
125btc is the price of an Avalon, I'm not sure about the hashing speed, it should be around 67GH. With 10btc you buy ~5.36GH, it could be a little more or a little less.

sagiko

newbie

Activity: 58

Merit: 0

I might just bite the bullet - based on your current discount 10BTC for (1/12.5 of the Avalon) ~5GHs?

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

UP again. The price for the shares is now of 125 btc/Avalon, or ~2btc/GH. The price is lower without escrow because I don't want to miss some trading opportunities that are coming up in the market.
Shipped hardware with escrow price is still of 200btc each.
Shipped hardware without escrow, 125btc/each.

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

UP.
(and discounts avalible if you don't want to use an escrow, so that i can trade with such btc meanwhile)

ArcologyPrime

newbie

Activity: 36

Merit: 0

I'm not saying that escrow.com is not trusted, i'm saying that i don't trust them to handle this kind of business. This is not a domain name transfer. Do we agree with this point?

Yes, it's not a domain name transfer, and that is their primary business online and if you've never done physical property with them, I can understand your reluctance somewhate, but since the BTC escrow process I've seen most commonly use doesnt deliver by proxy, I fail to see the difference, other than that I don't have to pay service fees to get it in BTC.

I understand that putting money into the BTC ecosystem is indeed a problem. You could try to do it off-excanges, like with TangibleCryptography, that is a very trusted member of this community.

Interesting; I didn't see any way to buy BTC this way, though, just sell them for cash.

I'm sorry for these problems, and fell free to call me crazy, but i prefer 100BTC mined from the Avalons over 20kUSD anytime, escrow or not, etc.
That's your perogative; If I lived in europe I might feel the same way.

I'll see if I can get some money into bitcoins in a way that doesn't increase my blood pressure.

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

Quote from: ArcologyPrime on April 23, 2013, 03:37:26 PM

I thought the idea behind bitcoin mining was to get as much hashrate under the control of as many different people as possible to preserve the system. If the people who wish to sell aren't interested in selling to those who aren't already in the system, that's not going to ever happen.

Well, the point is to have them in the hands of trustful people - and i trust myself not do try to do a 51% attack.

Quote from: ArcologyPrime on April 23, 2013, 03:37:26 PM

Escrow.com not trusted? They were doing escrows for domain names years before bitcoin existed, and have been in the escrow business in the real world since 1998. No offense to JohnK and the other bitcoin escrows, but I'm new to this forum and I'm not about to convert $25-50k us into bitcoins (at significant overhead) just to use their services. If i had funds in Mt. Gox or btc-e already, sure, but to purchase capital? No way.

I'm not saying that escrow.com is not trusted, i'm saying that i don't trust them to handle this kind of business. This is not a domain name transfer. Do we agree with this point?
I understand that putting money into the BTC ecosystem is indeed a problem. You could try to do it off-excanges, like with TangibleCryptography, that is a very trusted member of this community.

I'm sorry for these problems, and fell free to call me crazy, but i prefer 100BTC mined from the Avalons over 20kUSD anytime, escrow or not, etc.

Sorry for wasting your time.

Quote from: alwind on April 23, 2013, 03:45:30 PM

Did you already sell some shares?

I was contacted before for 22BTC of shares, however he has yet do make the payment, so maybe he changed idea. (he wanted me to lend him money so that he could bid a bigger amount...)

alwind

full member

Activity: 155

Merit: 100

Quote from: ArcologyPrime on April 23, 2013, 03:37:26 PM

Quote from: cedivad on April 23, 2013, 03:17:45 PM

I'm sorry, but that's not gonna happen. (want BTC, not USD; want a trusted escrow in this community to verify that they are in fact working Avalon miners, not a third party website i have no trust in it, regardless of their shiny banners).

Thanks anyway for your interest.

Escrow.com not trusted? They were doing escrows for domain names years before bitcoin existed, and have been in the escrow business in the real world since 1998. No offense to JohnK and the other bitcoin escrows, but I'm new to this forum and I'm not about to convert $25-50k us into bitcoins (at significant overhead) just to use their services. If i had funds in Mt. Gox or btc-e already, sure, but to purchase capital? No way.

I thought the idea behind bitcoin mining was to get as much hashrate under the control of as many different people as possible to preserve the system. If the people who wish to sell aren't interested in selling to those who aren't already in the system, that's not going to ever happen.

Its his choice how he wants to sell it.

Did you already sell some shares?

ArcologyPrime

newbie

Activity: 36

Merit: 0

Quote from: cedivad on April 23, 2013, 03:17:45 PM

I'm sorry, but that's not gonna happen. (want BTC, not USD; want a trusted escrow in this community to verify that they are in fact working Avalon miners, not a third party website i have no trust in it, regardless of their shiny banners).

Thanks anyway for your interest.

Escrow.com not trusted? They were doing escrows for domain names years before bitcoin existed, and have been in the escrow business in the real world since 1998. No offense to JohnK and the other bitcoin escrows, but I'm new to this forum and I'm not about to convert $25-50k us into bitcoins (at significant overhead) just to use their services. If i had funds in Mt. Gox or btc-e already, sure, but to purchase capital? No way.

I thought the idea behind bitcoin mining was to get as much hashrate under the control of as many different people as possible to preserve the system. If the people who wish to sell aren't interested in selling to those who aren't already in the system, that's not going to ever happen.

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

Quote from: ArcologyPrime on April 23, 2013, 03:12:50 PM

Escrows for this kind of hardware have you ship directly to the consumer. The cash is released to you on proof of delivery. They send it to me, signature required, I open, verify the item, then sign for it, you get your money. I'm pretty sure escrow.com doesn't care where you're from, that is the service I was intending to use.

I'm sorry, but that's not gonna happen. (want BTC, not USD; want a trusted escrow in this community to verify that they are in fact working Avalon miners, not a third party website i have no trust in it, regardless of their shiny banners).

Thanks anyway for your interest.

ArcologyPrime

newbie

Activity: 36

Merit: 0

Escrows for this kind of hardware have you ship directly to the consumer. The cash is released to you on proof of delivery. They send it to me, signature required, I open, verify the item, then sign for it, you get your money. I'm pretty sure escrow.com doesn't care where you're from, that is the service I was intending to use.

cedivad

legendary

Activity: 1176

Merit: 1001

Quote from: ArcologyPrime on April 23, 2013, 03:02:56 PM

These avalons are to arrive in Italy, correct? If so, how difficult will it be to ship to the US?

Would you accept payment in USD via escrow?

I prefer to use BTC, regardless of the bitcoin price going up or down during the escrow process. Shipping them back to the US should be fast and painless (you don't have to pay customs etc), however we have to find an US escrow that will reship the units to you.

Topic: [WTS] Shares/Hardware 5 x Avalon Batch 2 (Read 2112 times)