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It's getting heated; I'll just clear a few things up. The thread is about US treatment of Japanese Americans during WW2, subsequent apologies, and the question of whether those apologies are sufficient reparation.
My contention is that with racially/nationally motivated acts like this, apologies and throwing money at people is not sufficient, and the best reparation is to try to prevent something like this happening again. I then suggested that lessons have not been learned, because tensions about race and national identity are rising all the time, stoked by the president. Further, I would suggest that any politicians (of either side) who don't call him out on this are complicit.
That's all. I'm not going after Trump supporters. I'm saying that a lesson needs to be learned, and it's not being learned.

I also notice that you didn't respond to my reply about a Muslim ban. So, straight up, was there, or was there not a Muslim ban?  How about you address this one and only this one point.
Regarding the Muslim travel ban, I said I wasn't going to post a load of charts and statistics, but I did link out to some.

how about now you tell us how many acts of violence against Trump supporters?
Is this count correct? 419?
https://www.attacksontrumpsupporters.com
Also I said I wasn't going after Trump supporters, and that some of the acts on the list I posted were by Trump-opponents against Trump-supporters.
Saying that there are a lot of attacks on Trump supporters just reinforces my point. Trump incites hatred. He gets people fighting against each other. People from both sides. Indeed his constant banging on about Mexicans and Muslims and whoever else helps to create and reinforce those sides in the first place. If there is no racism, then there are no 'sides', people are just people irrespective of skin colour, religion, or nation of birth.

If you punch someone in the face, then say sorry and give them a dollar, then punch someone else in the face a couple of minutes later, then the apology and the compensation look kind of meaningless.
^^ My whole argument can be distilled to this.
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The state assembly of California maybe sees things differently to you.

They believe they implemented the Roosevelt policy when it was presented rather than take  stand against it therefore were complicit. That is one reason why they probably apologised. Anti-Japanese sentiment was very high in those days so we do not know which sort of pressure the state of California was under and from which angles - but if they are complicit it stands to reason they should apologise.

The state of California was already discriminating against the Japanese as far back as 1913 when they passed the Alien Land Law to stop them buying farmland and 7 years later in 1920 they passed a law to stop anybody with Japanese ancestry from buying farmland so maybe they were not under pressure from any political angle and instead were happy to implement their racist policies before, during and after the second world war and if that is the case then again an apology from them to their victims is probably something they wanted to do: https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10732322-181/california-apologizes-for-japanese-american


One solid reason why the state assembly shouldn't apologize is they were not responsible for the decisions, or the implementations of those prison camps. The federal government was.

Looking into it further, I think you are right on some points and so am I.

The approximate 1/3 of the group who were actually Japanese citizens - I do not see what could have been done with them except intern them.

For the others, it does appear CA had state - level racist policies.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

Of 127,000 Japanese Americans living in the continental United States at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, 112,000 resided on the West Coast.[9] About 80,000 were Nisei (literal translation: "second generation"; American-born Japanese with U.S. citizenship) and Sansei ("third generation"; the children of Nisei). The rest were Issei ("first generation") immigrants born in Japan who were ineligible for U.S. citizenship under U.S. law.[10]

Japanese Americans were incarcerated based on local population concentrations and regional politics. More than 112,000 Japanese Americans living on the West Coast were forced into interior camps. However, in Hawaii, where 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were also interned.[11] The internment is considered to have resulted more from racism than from any security risk posed by Japanese Americans.[12][13] California defined anyone with 1/16th or more Japanese lineage as sufficient to be interned.[14] Colonel Karl Bendetsen, the architect behind the program, went so far as saying anyone with "one drop of Japanese blood" qualified.[15]
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The state assembly of California maybe sees things differently to you.

They believe they implemented the Roosevelt policy when it was presented rather than take  stand against it therefore were complicit. That is one reason why they probably apologised. Anti-Japanese sentiment was very high in those days so we do not know which sort of pressure the state of California was under and from which angles - but if they are complicit it stands to reason they should apologise.

The state of California was already discriminating against the Japanese as far back as 1913 when they passed the Alien Land Law to stop them buying farmland and 7 years later in 1920 they passed a law to stop anybody with Japanese ancestry from buying farmland so maybe they were not under pressure from any political angle and instead were happy to implement their racist policies before, during and after the second world war and if that is the case then again an apology from them to their victims is probably something they wanted to do: https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10732322-181/california-apologizes-for-japanese-american


One solid reason why the state assembly shouldn't apologize is they were not responsible for the decisions, or the implementations of those prison camps. The federal government was.
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I understand exactly why Cnut237 is posting historical past issues and present day dangers some words and behaviours of Trump pose but the counter argument I see from several users does not carry an weight because it mostly consists of "others have said something and Trump has been on the receiving end".

That argument is petty and appropriate for this thread, it seems to be used as an excuse for diversion tactics. I created this thread to discuss the possible reasons for the state assembly of California to apologise for voting with the Roosevelt administration to have prison camps for Japanese Americans....


One solid reason why the state assembly shouldn't apologize is they were not responsible for the decisions, or the implementations of those prison camps. The federal government was.
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I understand exactly why Cnut237 is posting historical past issues and present day dangers some words and behaviours of Trump pose but the counter argument I see from several users does not carry an weight because it mostly consists of "others have said something and Trump has been on the receiving end".

That argument is petty and appropriate for this thread, it seems to be used as an excuse for diversion tactics. I created this thread to discuss the possible reasons for the state assembly of California to apologise for voting with the Roosevelt administration to have prison camps for Japanese Americans.


Instead of posting all of Trump’s let’s-incite-some-racial-hatred tweets, let’s have a look at the effects of what he says. There was that ABC investigation which found 36 criminal cases where Trump was invoked in direct connection with violent acts, threats of violence or allegations of assault. By comparison, they found zero criminal cases where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of Obama or even George W Bush.
I’ve highlighted the Mexican and Muslim bits, but really he doesn’t discriminate in his hatred: they’re all bad.

~snip~


So then is Bernie Sander's to blame for the man who shot Congressman Scalise and the others at the softball game? Is Sander's to blame for the guy who drove his car into Trump supporters? No.

Your entire list is bogus because it doesn't deal with the key issue: who decides who enters the US? US citizens or everyone else. IF it's US citizens, through their elected officials, pass laws then these laws should be followed.

~snip~

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,,,, attempt at record for longest post all clip and paste, nothing original ....

I also notice that you didn't respond to my reply about a Muslim ban. So, straight up, was there, or was there not a Muslim ban?  How about you address this one and only this one point.

How about you answer my very reasonable question? I'll repeat it.

36 is all you have? Even with the sidestepping of the actual original assertion of "demonization"?

I know you want to have a fair and unbiased look at demonization, so how about now you tell us how many acts of violence against Trump supporters?


Is this count correct? 419?

https://www.attacksontrumpsupporters.com

I won't waste peoples' time posting them all, but here are a few samples.

202.02.07 – CA: College Republicans tabling at the University of California, Santa Cruz on Feb. 7, 2020, were accosted by passersby who ripped their signs, spit on their Betsy Ross flag, tussled with them physically, and yelled obscenities
2020.02.08 – CA: A man set fire to two American flags in the bed of a pickup truck at an Orange County high school, and is facing felony arson charges
2020.02.06 – FL: Cane sword-wielding man arrested after being accused of threatening Trump supporters
2020.01.20 – FL: Florida man stabs and kills Trump-loving boss in fight, deputies say
2019.11.18 – NC: Young Democratic Socialists member Sprays Paint into Eyes of Conservative on NC State Campus
2019.10.31 – MI: University of Michigan Student Destroys Turning Point USA Recruiting Table
2019.10.25 – FL: Florida man sentences to 90 days for battery in connection with spitting, hitting man’s MAGA hat
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In my opinion any acts of violence carried out against Trump supporters cannot negate the point of Trump stoking racial and religious tensions.


no demonization
No demonization

Instead of posting all of Trump’s let’s-incite-some-racial-hatred tweets, let’s have a look at the effects of what he says. There was that ABC investigation which found 36 criminal cases where Trump was invoked....

36 is all you have? Even with the sidestepping of the actual original assertion of "demonization"?

I know you want to have a fair and unbiased look at demonization, so how about now you tell us how many acts of violence against Trump supporters?
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Did they also made German camps, and Italian camps? Surely the other axis countries would have supporters in American soil wouldn't they? Or was is something especially racist against Japanese?

Definitely too late, the victims of the State segregation are mostly gone by now...
There were children during those segregation so there are still victims that are still alive today. I even watched an interview with some of the survivors.
I don't think that SoCal is opening old wounds rather it is a public reminder that there are mistakes that were made that should not be repeated. Racial segregation has been the problem of USA for a long time but they don't address that much because there are bigots and racist that slip through the cracks and proliferate the idea of racism which is a toxic behavior that can spread like wildfire in a community.
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ww2 was an age where many germans and japanese where nationalists, they declared war on their neigbours in order to obtain financial gains,

they didn't used a free market, in order to obtain shares in productive processes, like they did after world war 2.

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Ideally, yes. In practice, given the number of cases, that's too impractical:
Yes 82,000 or so survivors and next of kin is a lot but it would not have been an impossible task back in the late 80's.

Governments tend to deal in cold hard numbers. They will have committed a certain amount to reparations. Any investigations into the merits of each case would likely have come out of that $20k per person. The most efficient way to deal with it is same amount per person, and then process any appeals later if there aren't too many.

That is all about logistics and dollars, though. It won't bring back the dead or heal ruined lives. The best reparation that can be made is to learn the lesson about why it occurred, and prevent it from ever happening again. My last post with that huge list of racially motivated crimes influenced by Trump may not appear to be relevant to the discussion, but actually it is absolutely central.
Trump is definitely central to the discussion and is relevant because of the precedent he has set by the ridiculous fearmongering tactics he employed to woo the far right and to get publicity for his so-called tough stance. Why would somebody who grew up hearing stories of the Japanese American prison camps be creating racial division while he hold office of the President?

If you imprison people from a racial motivation in the 1940s, then say sorry and pay compensation in the 1980s, and then another forty years later we have a president who is actively encouraging racial division, then no lessons have been learned. If the government aren't reining Trump in, then they are complicit.

If you punch someone in the face, then say sorry and give them a dollar, then punch someone else in the face a couple of minutes later, then the apology and the compensation look kind of meaningless.
That is another great way to characterise the whole issue. Asking for votes by creating racial division or any form of hierarchical superiority is something disgraceful in itself but in the case of Trump he seems to be happy revelling in the support he is getting from the centre-right and far right. Did he learn anything from the past?
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no demonization
No demonization

Instead of posting all of Trump’s let’s-incite-some-racial-hatred tweets, let’s have a look at the effects of what he says. There was that ABC investigation which found 36 criminal cases where Trump was invoked....

36 is all you have? Even with the sidestepping of the actual original assertion of "demonization"?

I know you want to have a fair and unbiased look at demonization, so how about now you tell us how many acts of violence against Trump supporters?
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I also believe reparations should have been based on a case-by-case basis simply because each case was probably different in one way or another.

Ideally, yes. In practice, given the number of cases, that's too impractical:

5 years later in 1988 the Civil Liberties Act came in to force and Congress backed reparation payments of $20,000 to each living survivor (or next of kin) along with a signed apology from the then US President Ronald Reagan. A total of around 82,000 people received payments.

Governments tend to deal in cold hard numbers. They will have committed a certain amount to reparations. Any investigations into the merits of each case would likely have come out of that $20k per person. The most efficient way to deal with it is same amount per person, and then process any appeals later if there aren't too many.

That is all about logistics and dollars, though. It won't bring back the dead or heal ruined lives. The best reparation that can be made is to learn the lesson about why it occurred, and prevent it from ever happening again. My last post with that huge list of racially motivated crimes influenced by Trump may not appear to be relevant to the discussion, but actually it is absolutely central.

If you imprison people from a racial motivation in the 1940s, then say sorry and pay compensation in the 1980s, and then another forty years later we have a president who is actively encouraging racial division, then no lessons have been learned. If the government aren't reining Trump in, then they are complicit.

If you punch someone in the face, then say sorry and give them a dollar, then punch someone else in the face a couple of minutes later, then the apology and the compensation look kind of meaningless.
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I also believe reparations should have been based on a case-by-case basis simply because each case was probably different in one way or another.

At the time of being arrested and sent to a prison camp if a somebody had land or assets worth hundreds of thousands of USD$ confiscated, they or their next of kin should have been compensated in a different manner to somebody that was say for example an unemployed person in their early 50's lodging in an outhouse or say for an example a full time student in higher education who had all financial needs taken care of by their family.

For example, how can one compare the financial reparation to a woman who was incarcerated in a prison camp for over 3 years alongside her young children to that with a businessman who was forced to sell his business empire for just 6 cents for every $1 it was worth before being sent to a prison camp?


They did not allow Germans or Italians to have a ham radio.

They did not jail them.

Having some Italian ancestors I am pretty sure of this to be a fact.

Japanese owned some good pieces of land in California some of it was stolen. So it was a land grab more than anything.

This is the most disgusting part to me to be honest. If you are to put people in cages, that's horrible and that's one thing. But while they're gone, you're not just allowed to take their land -- or say they're not paying their taxes and seize their land.

They're not paying their fucking taxes cause you put them into a cage, so that's god damn despicable and that is why repatriations should've been done on a case by cases basis. But what's done is done, nothing more this generation can do then apologize and try to compensate the estates (and with that, their next of kin).
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no demonization
No demonization

Instead of posting all of Trump’s let’s-incite-some-racial-hatred tweets, let’s have a look at the effects of what he says. There was that ABC investigation which found 36 criminal cases where Trump was invoked in direct connection with violent acts, threats of violence or allegations of assault. By comparison, they found zero criminal cases where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of Obama or even George W Bush.
I’ve highlighted the Mexican and Muslim bits, but really he doesn’t discriminate in his hatred: they’re all bad.
Please note that I’m not going after Trump supporters here; some of these attacks were by Trump supporters, some were by Trump opponents. My point is that he actively encourages a general climate of hatred.


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Aug. 19, 2015: In Boston, after he and his brother beat a sleeping homeless man of Mexican descent with a metal pole, Steven Leader, 30, told police "Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported." The victim, however, was not in the United States illegally. The brothers, who are white, ultimately pleaded guilty to several assault-related charges and were each sentenced to at least two years in prison.

Dec. 5, 2015: After Penn State University student Nicholas Tavella, 19, was charged with "ethnic intimidation" and other crimes for threatening to "put a bullet" in a young Indian man on campus, his attorney argued in court that Tavella was just motivated by "a love of country," not "hate." "Donald Trump is running for President of the United States saying that, 'We've got to check people out more closely,'" Tavella's attorney argued in his defense. Tavella, who is white, ultimately pleaded guilty to ethnic intimidation and was sentenced to up to two years in prison.

April 28, 2016: When FBI agents arrested 61-year-old John Martin Roos in White City, Oregon, for threatening federal officials, including then-President Barack Obama, they found several pipe bombs and guns in his home. In the three months before his arrest, Roos posted at least 34 messages to Twitter about Trump, repeatedly threatening African Americans, Muslims, Mexican immigrants and the "liberal media," and in court documents, prosecutors noted that the avowed Trump supporter posted this threatening message to Facebook a month earlier: "The establishment is trying to steal the election from Trump. ... Obama is already on a kill list ... Your [name] can be there too." Roos, who is white, has since pleaded guilty to possessing an unregistered explosive device and posting internet threats against federal officials. He was sentenced to more than five years in prison.

June 3, 2016: After 54-year-old Henry Slapnik attacked his African-American neighbors with a knife in Cleveland, he told police "Donald Trump will fix them because they are scared of Donald Trump," according to police reports. Slapnik, who is white, ultimately pleaded guilty to "ethnic intimidation" and other charges. It's unclear what sentence he received.

Aug. 16, 2016: In Olympia, Washington, 32-year-old Daniel Rowe attacked a white woman and a black man with a knife after seeing them kiss on a popular street. When police arrived on the scene, Rowe professed to being "a white supremacist" and said "he planned on heading down to the next Donald Trump rally and stomping out more of the Black Lives Matter group," according to court documents filed in the case. Rowe, who is white, ultimately pleaded guilty to charges of assault and malicious harassment, and he was sentenced to more than four years in prison.

Sept. 1, 2016: The then-chief of the Bordentown, New Jersey, police department, Frank Nucera, allegedly assaulted an African American teenager who was handcuffed. Federal prosecutors said the attack was part of Nucera's "intense racial animus," noting in federal court that "within hours" of the assault, Nucera was secretly recorded saying "Donald Trump is the last hope for white people." The 60-year-old Nucera has been indicted by a federal grand jury on three charges, including committing a federal hate crime. Nucera, who is white, has pleaded not guilty and is awaiting trial. He retired two years ago.

September 2016: After 40-year-old Mark Feigin of Los Angeles was arrested for posting anti-Muslim and allegedly threatening statements to a mosque's Facebook page, his attorney argued in court that the comments were protected by the First Amendment because Feigin was "using similar language and expressing similar views" to "campaign statements from then-candidate Donald Trump." Noting that his client "supported Donald Trump," attorney Caleb Mason added that "Mr. Feigin's comments were directed toward a pressing issue of public concern that was a central theme of the Trump campaign and the 2016 election generally: the Islamic roots of many international and U.S. terrorist acts." Feigin, who is white, ultimately pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of sending harassing communications electronically. He was sentenced to probation.

Oct. 13, 2016: After the FBI arrested three white Kansas men for plotting to bomb an apartment complex in Garden City, Kansas, where many Somali immigrants lived, one of the men's attorneys insisted to a federal judge that the plot was "self-defensive" because the three men believed "that if Donald Trump won the election, President Obama would not recognize the validity of those results, that he would declare martial law, and that at that point militias all over the country would have to step in." Then, after a federal grand jury convicted 47-year-old Patrick Stein and the two other men of conspiracy-related charges, Stein's attorney argued for a lighter sentence based on "the backdrop" of Stein's actions: Trump had become "the voice of a lost and ignored white, working-class set of voters" like Stein, and the "climate" at the time could propel someone like Stein to "go to 11," attorney Jim Pratt said in court. Stein and his two accomplices were each sentenced to at least 25 years in prison.

Nov. 3, 2016: In Tampa, Florida, David Howard threatened to burn down the house next to his "simply because" it was being purchased by a Muslim family, according to the Justice Department. He later said under oath that while he harbored a years-long dislike for Muslims, the circumstances around the home sale were "the match that lit the wick." He cited Trump's warnings about immigrants from majority-Muslim countries. "[With] the fact that the president wants these six countries vetted, everybody vetted before they come over, there's a concern about Muslims," Howard said. Howard, who is white, ultimately pleaded guilty to a federal civil rights violation, and the 59-year-old was sentenced to eight months in prison.

Nov. 10, 2016: A 23-year-old man from High Springs, Florida, allegedly assaulted an unsuspecting Hispanic man who was cleaning a parking lot outside of a local food store. "[H]e was suddenly struck in the back of the head," a police report said of the victim. "[The victim] asked the suspect why he hit him, to which the suspect replied, 'This is for Donald Trump.' The suspect then grabbed [the victim] by the jacket and proceeded to strike him several more times," according to the report. Surveillance video of the incident "completely corroborated [the victim's] account of events," police said. The suspect was arrested on battery charges, but the case was dropped after the victim decided not to pursue the matter, police said. Efforts by ABC News to reach the victim for further explanation were not successful.

Nov. 12, 2016: In Grand Rapids, Michigan, while attacking a cab driver from East Africa, 23-year-old Jacob Holtzlander shouted racial epithets and repeatedly yelled the word, "Trump," according to law enforcement records. Holtzlander, who is white, ultimately pleaded guilty to a charge of ethnic intimidation, and he was sentenced to 30 days in jail.

Jan. 3, 2017: In Chicago, four young African-Americans -- sisters Brittany and Tanishia Covington, Jordan Hill and Tesfaye Cooper -- tied up a white, mentally disabled man and assaulted him, forcing him to recite the phrases "F--k Donald Trump" and "F--k white people" while they broadcast the attack online. Each of them ultimately pleaded guilty to committing a hate crime and other charges, and three of them were sentenced to several years in prison.

Jan. 25, 2017: At JFK International Airport in New York, a female Delta employee, wearing a hijab in accordance with her Muslim faith, was "physically and verbally" attacked by 57-year-old Robin Rhodes of Worcester, Mass., "for no apparent reason," prosecutors said at the time. When the victim asked Brown what she did to him, he replied: "You did nothing, but ... [Expletive] Islam. [Expletive] ISIS. Trump is here now. He will get rid of all of you." Rhodes ultimately pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of "menacing," and he was sentenced to probation.

Feb. 19, 2017: After 35-year-old Gerald Wallace called a mosque in Miami Gardens, Florida, and threatened to "shoot all y'all," he told the FBI and police that he made the call because he "got angry" from a local TV news report about a terrorist act. At a rally in Florida the day before, Trump falsely claimed that Muslim refugees had just launched a terrorist attack in Sweden. Wallace's attorney, Katie Carmon, later tried to convince a federal judge that the threat to kill worshippers could be "protected speech" due to the "very distinctly political climate" at the time. "There are courts considering President Trump's travel ban ... and the president himself has made some very pointed statements about what he thinks about people of this descent," Carmon argued in court. Gerald Sloane Wallace's attorney cited Trump as part of his defense in a June 2017 court hearing. Wallace, who is African American, ultimately pleaded guilty to obstructing the free exercise of his victims' religious beliefs, and he was sentenced to one year in prison.

Feb. 23, 2017: Kevin Seymour and his partner Kevin price were riding their bicycles in Key West, Florida, when a man on a moped, 30-year-old Brandon Davis of North Carolina, hurled anti-gay slurs at them and "intentionally" ran into Seymour's bike, shouting, "You live in Trump country now," according to police reports and Davis' attorney. Davis ultimately pleaded guilty to a charge of battery evidencing prejudice, but in court, he expressed remorse and was sentenced to four years of probation.

May 3, 2017: In South Padre Island, Texas, 35-year-old Alexander Jennes Downing of Waterford, Connecticut, was captured on cellphone video taunting and aggressively approaching a Muslim family, repeatedly shouting, "Donald Trump will stop you!" and other Trump-related remarks. Police arrested downing, of Waterford, Connecticut, for public intoxication. It's unclear what came of the charge.

May 11, 2017: Authorities arrested Steven Martan of Tucson, Arizona, after he left three threatening messages at the office Rep. Martha McSally, R-Ariz. In one message, he told McSally he was going to "blow your brains out," and in another he told her that her "days are numbered." He later told FBI agents "that he was venting frustrations with Congresswoman McSally's congressional votes in support of the President of the United States," according to charging documents. Martan's attorney, Walter Goncalves Jr., later told a judge that Martan had "an alcohol problem" and left the messages "after becoming intoxicated" and "greatly upset" by news that McSally "agreed with decisions by President Donald Trump." Martan, 58, has since pleaded guilty to three counts of retaliating against a federal official and was sentenced to more than one year in prison.

Oct. 22, 2017: A 44-year-old California man threatened to kill Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., for her frequent criticism of Trump and her promise to "take out" the president. Anthony Scott Lloyd left a voicemail at the congresswoman's Washington office, declaring: "If you continue to make threats towards the president, you're going to wind up dead, Maxine. Cause we'll kill you." After pleading guilty to one count of threatening a U.S. official, Lloyd asked the judge for leniency, saying he suffered from addiction-inducing mental illness and became "far too immersed in listening to polarizing political commentators and engaging in heated political debates online." His lawyer put it this way to the judge: "Mr. Lloyd was a voracious consumer of political news online, on television and on radio … [that are] commonly viewed as 'right wing,' unconditionally supportive of President Trump, and fiercely critical of anyone who opposed President Trump's policies." The judge sentenced Lloyd to six months of house arrest and three years of probation.

April 6, 2018: The FBI arrested 38-year-old Christopher Michael McGowan of Roanoke, Virginia, for allegedly posting a series of Twitter threats against Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., over several months. In one posting in December 2017, McGowan wrote to Goodlatte: "I threatened to kill you if you help Trump violate the constitution," according to charging documents. In another alleged post, the self-described Army veteran wrote: "If Trump tries to fire [special counsel Robert] Mueller I WILL make an attempt to execute a citizens arrest against [Goodlatte] and I will kill him if he resist." In subsequent statements to police, he said he drinks too much, was "hoping to get someone's attention over his concerns about the current status of our country," and did not actually intend to harm Goodlatte, court documents recount. A federal grand jury has indicted McGowan on one count of transmitting a threat over state lines, and it's unclear if he has entered a plea as he awaits trial.

July 6, 2018: Martin Astrof, 75, approached a volunteer at the campaign office of Rep. Lee Zeldin, R-N.Y., in Suffolk County, New York, and "state[d] he was going to kill supporters of U.S. congressman Lee Zeldin and President Donald Trump," according to charging documents. Astrof was arrested and ultimately pleaded guilty to reckless endangerment. He was sentenced to one year of probation.

August 2018: After the Boston Globe called on news outlets around the country to resist what it called "Trump's assault on journalism," the Boston Globe received more than a dozen threatening phone calls. "You are the enemy of the people," the alleged caller, 68-year-old Robert Chain of Encino, California, told a Boston Globe employee on Aug. 22. "As long as you keep attacking the President, the duly elected President of the United States ... I will continue to threat[en], harass, and annoy the Boston Globe." A week later, authorities arrested Chain on threat-related charges. After a hearing in his case, he told reporters, "America was saved when Donald J. Trump was elected president." Chain has pleaded guilty to seven threat-related charges, and he is awaiting sentencing.

Oct. 4, 2018: The Polk County Sheriff's Office in Florida arrested 53-year-old James Patrick of Winter Haven, Florida, for allegedly threatening "to kill Democratic office holders, members of their families and members of both local and federal law enforcement agencies," according to a police report. In messages posted online, Patrick detailed a "plan" for his attacks, which he said he would launch if then-nominee Brett Kavanaugh was not confirmed as a Supreme Court justice, the police report said. Seeking Patrick's release from jail after his arrest, Patrick's attorney, Terri Stewart, told a judge that her client's "rantings" were akin to comments from "a certain high-ranking official" -- Trump. The president had "threatened the North Korean people -- to blow them all up. It was on Twitter," Stewart said, according to the Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Patrick has been charged with making a written threat to kill or injure, and he has pleaded not guilty. His trial is pending.

Late October 2018: Over the course of a week, Florida man Cesar Sayoc allegedly mailed at least 15 potential bombs to prominent critics of Trump and members of the media. Sayoc had been living in a van plastered with pro-Trump stickers, and he had posted several pro-Trump messages on social media. Federal prosecutors have accused him of "domestic terrorism," and Sayoc has since pleaded guilty to 65 counts, including use of a weapon of mass destruction. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison. "We believe the president's rhetoric contributed to Mr. Sayoc's behavior," Sayoc's attorney told the judge at sentencing.

Dec. 4, 2018: Michael Brogan, 51, of Brooklyn, New York, left a voicemail at an unidentified U.S. Senator's office in Washington insisting, "I'm going to put a bullet in ya. … You and your constant lambasting of President Trump. Oh, reproductive rights, reproductive rights." He later told an FBI agent that before leaving the voicemail he became "very angry" by "an internet video of the Senator, including the Senator's criticism of the President of the United States as well as the Senator's views on reproductive rights." "The threats were made to discourage the Senator from criticizing the President," the Justice Department said in a later press release. Brogan has since pleaded guilty to one count of threatening a U.S. official, and he is awaiting sentencing.

Jan. 17, 2019: Stephen Taubert of Syracuse, New York, was arrested by the U.S. Capitol Police for threatening to kill Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., and for threatening to "hang" former President Barack Obama. Taubert used "overtly bigoted, hateful language" in his threats, according to federal prosecutors. On July 20, 2018, Taubert called the congresswoman's Los Angeles office to say he would find her at public events and kill her and her entire staff. In a letter to the judge just days before Taubert's trial began, his defense attorney, Courtenay McKeon, noted: "During that time period, Congresswoman Waters was embroiled in a public feud with the Trump administration. … On June 25, 2018, in response to Congresswoman Waters' public statements, President Trump tweeted: 'Congresswoman Maxine Waters, an extraordinarily low IQ person, has … just called for harm to supporters … of the Make America Great Again movement. Be careful what you wish for Max!'" As McKeon insisted to the judge: "This context is relevant to the case." A federal jury ultimately convicted Taubert on three federal charges, including retaliating against a federal official and making a threat over state lines. He was sentenced to nearly four years in prison.

Jan. 22, 2019: David Boileau of Holiday, Florida, was arrested by the Pasco County Sheriff's Office for allegedly burglarizing an Iraqi family's home and "going through" their mailbox, according to a police report. After officers arrived at the home, Boileau "made several statements of his dislike for people of Middle Eastern descent," the report said. "He also stated if he doesn't get rid of them, Trump will handle it." The police report noted that a day before, Boileau threw screws at a vehicle outside the family's house. On that day, Boileau allegedly told police, "We'll get rid of them one way or another." Boileau, 58, has since pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of trespassing, and he was sentenced to 90 days in jail.

Feb. 15, 2019: The FBI in Maryland arrested a Marine veteran and U.S. Coast Guard lieutenant, Christopher Paul Hasson, who they said was stockpiling weapons and "espoused" racist and anti-immigrant views for years as he sought to "murder innocent civilians on a scale rarely seen in this country." In court documents, prosecutors said the 49-year-old "domestic terrorist" compiled a "hit list" of prominent Democrats. Two months later, while seeking Hasson's release from jail before trial, his public defender, Elizabeth Oyer, told a federal judge: "This looks like the sort of list that our commander-in-chief might have compiled while watching Fox News in the morning. … Is it legitimately frustrating that offensive language and ideology has now become part of our national vocabulary? Yes, it is very frustrating. But … it is hard to differentiate it from the random musings of someone like Donald Trump who uses similar epithets in his everyday language and tweets." Hasson faces weapons-related charges and was being detained as he awaits trial. He has pleaded not guilty.

Feb. 15, 2019: Police in Falmouth, Massachusetts, arrested 41-year-old Rosiane Santos after she "verbally assault[ed]" a man for wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat in a Mexican restaurant and then "violently push[ed] his head down," according to police reports. Apparently intoxicated, "she stated that [the victim] was a 'motherf----r' for supporting Trump," one of the responding officers wrote. "She also stated that he shouldn't be allowed in a Mexican restaurant with that." Santos was in the United States unlawfully, federal authorities said. Police arrested her on charges of "simple assault" and disorderly conduct. She has since admitted in local court that there are "sufficient facts" to warrant charges, and she has been placed on a form of probation.

Feb. 25, 2019: An 18-year-old student at Edmond Santa Fe High School in Edmond, Oklahoma, was captured on cellphone video "confronting a younger classmate who [was] wearing a 'Make America Great Again' hat and carrying a 'Trump' flag," according to a press release from the local school system. "The [older] student then proceeds to grab the flag and knock the hat off of his classmate's head." The 18-year-old student was charged in local court with assault and battery, according to Edmond City Attorney Steve Murdock. The student has since pleaded guilty and was placed on probation, Murdock added.

March 16, 2019: Anthony Comello, 24, of Staten Island, New York, was taken into custody for allegedly killing Francesco "Franky Boy" Cali, the reputed head of the infamous Gambino crime family. It marked the first mob boss murder in New York in 30 years, law enforcement officials told ABC News the murder may have stemmed from Comello's romantic relationship with a Cali family member. Court documents since filed in state court by Comello's defense attorney, Robert Gottlieb, said Comello suffers from mental defect and was a believer in the "conspiratorial fringe right-wing political group" QAnon. In addition, Gottlieb wrote: "Beginning with the election of President Trump in November 2016, Anthony Comello's family began to notice changes to his personality. … Mr. Comello became certain that he was enjoying the protection of President Trump himself, and that he had the president's full support. Mr. Comello grew to believe that several well-known politicians and celebrities were actually members of the Deep State, and were actively trying to bring about the destruction of America." Comello has been charged with one count of murder and two counts of criminal possession of a weapon. His trial is pending, and he has pleaded not guilty.

April 5, 2019: The FBI arrested a 55-year-old man from upstate New York for allegedly threatening to kill Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., one of the first two Muslim women elected to the U.S. Congress. She is an outspoken critic of Trump, and Trump has frequently launched public attacks against her and three other female lawmakers of color. Two weeks before his arrest, Patrick Carlineo Jr. allegedly called Omar's office in Washington labeling the congresswoman a "terrorist" and declaring: "I'll put a bullet in her f----ing skull." When an FBI agent then traced the call to Carlineo and interviewed him, Carlineo "stated that he was a patriot, that he loves the President, and that he hates radical Muslims in our government," according to the FBI agent's summary of the interview. Federal prosecutors charged Carlineo with threatening to assault and murder a United States official. Carlineo is awaiting trial, although his defense attorney and federal prosecutors are working on what his attorney called another "possible resolution" of the case.

April 13, 2019: 27-year-old Jovan Crawford, of Gaithersburg, Maryland, and 25-year-old Scott Roberson Washington, D.C., assaulted and robbed a black man wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat while walking through his suburban Maryland neighborhood. Before punching and kicking him, "The two suspects harassed [the victim] about the hat and asked why he was wearing it. [The victim] told them he has his own beliefs and views," according to charging documents filed after their arrest by Montgomery County, Maryland, police. Crawford later received a text message noting that, "They jumped some trump supporter," the charging documents said. Crawford and Roberson have since pleaded guilty to assault charges and are awaiting sentencing.

April 18, 2019: The FBI arrested John Joseph Kless of Tamarac, Florida, for calling the Washington offices of three prominent Democrats and threatening to kill each of them. At his home, authorities found a loaded handgun in a backpack, an AR-15 rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. In later pleading guilty to one charge of transmitting threats over state lines, Kless admitted that in a threatening voicemail targeting Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., he stated: "You won't f---ing tell Americans what to say, and you definitely don't tell our president, Donald Trump, what to say." Tlaib, a vocal critic of Trump, was scheduled to speak in Florida four days later. Kless was awaiting sentencing. In a letter to the federal judge, he said he "made a very big mistake," never meant to hurt anyone, and "was way out of line with my language and attitude."

April 24, 2019: The FBI arrested 30-year-old Matthew Haviland of North Kingstown, Rhode Island, for allegedly sending a series of violent and threatening emails to a college professor in Massachusetts who publicly expressed support for abortion rights and strongly criticized Trump. In one of 28 emails sent to the professor on March 10, 2019, Haviland allegedly called the professor "pure evil" and said "all Democrats must be eradicated," insisting the country now has "a president who's taking our country in a place of more freedom rather than less." In another email the same day, Haviland allegedly wrote the professor: "I will rip every limb from your body and … I will kill every member of your family." According to court documents, Haviland's longtime friend later told the FBI that "within the last year, Haviland's views regarding abortion and politics have become more extreme … at least in part because of the way the news media portrays President Trump." Haviland has been charged with cyberstalking and transmitting a threat in interstate commerce. His trial is pending.

June 5, 2019: The FBI arrested a Utah man for allegedly calling the U.S. Capitol more than 2,000 times over several months and threatening to kill Democratic lawmakers, whom he said were "trying to destroy Trump's presidency." "I am going to take up my second amendment right, and shoot you liberals in the head," 54-year-old Scott Brian Haven allegedly stated in one of the calls on Oct. 18, 2018, according to charging documents. When an FBI agent later interviewed Haven, he "explained the phone calls were made during periods of frustration with the way Democrats were treating President Trump," the charging documents said. The FBI visit, however, didn't stop Haven from making more threats, including: On March 21, 2019, he called an unidentified U.S. senator's office to say that if Democrats refer to Trump as Hitler again he will shoot them, and two days later he called an unidentified congressman's office to say he "was going to take [the congressman] out … because he is trying to remove a duly elected President." A federal grand jury has since charged Haven with one count of transmitting a threat over state lines. Haven pleaded not guilty and was awaiting trial.

Aug. 3, 2019: A gunman opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, killing 22 people and injuring 24 others. The FBI labeled the massacre an act of "domestic terrorism," and police determined that the alleged shooter, 21-year-old Patrick Crusius, posted a lengthy anti-immigrant diatribe online before the attack. "We attribute that manifesto directly to him," according to El Paso police chief Greg Allen. Describing the coming assault as "a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas," the screed's writer said "the media" would "blame Trump's rhetoric" for the attack but insisted his anti-immigrant views "predate Trump" -- an apparent acknowledgement that at least some of his views align with some of Trump's public statements. The writer began his online essay by stating that he generally "supports" the previous writings of the man who killed 51 Muslim worshippers in New Zealand earlier this year. In that case, the shooter in New Zealand said he absolutely did not support Trump as "a policy maker and leader" -- but "[a]s a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure." Crusius has been charged with capital murder by the state of Texas.

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Approximately 120,000 Japanese Americans were forced in to prison camps during World War 2 under the Executive Order of Franklin D Roosevelt which was backed by California State.

Executive Order #9066 was signed on 2nd February 1942 because there were fears the Japanese American population would help Japan during the war. Those incarcerated were forced to live in one of the 10 camps which were ringed by barbed wire and had armed guards. Many victims died because of medical negligence, many died at the hands of the guards that were supposed to ensure nobody escaped.

In 1976 the then US President Gerald Ford issued an apology for those camps and in 1983 the Commission of Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians (CWRIC) came to the conclusion the camps were not "military necessity" but were effectively driven by "racial prejudice, wartime hysteria and a failure of political leadership". They also stated "A grave injustice was done to American citizens and resident aliens of Japanese ancestry who, without individual review or any probative evidence against them"

5 years later in 1988 the Civil Liberties Act came in to force and Congress backed reparation payments of $20,000 to each living survivor (or next of kin) along with a signed apology from the then US President Ronald Reagan. A total of around 82,000 people received payments.

The Federal government has apologised on several occasions and now the State Assembly of California has apologised too. Even though reparations have been made and the issues date back to the second world war but has this move on part the state of California opened old wounds rather than heal them? Is it too little too late?

How do you think the average American would feel about this? And how would that compare to the feelings of survivors and families of those camps?

usa was in a war with japan back then, there where important reasons for that, us population didn't trusted the japanese.

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Stop it. There is no demonization of Muslims nor of Mexicans. There was no Muslim travel ban. How can any thinking person think that it was a "Muslim" travel ban.

I was going to reply with a list of Trump's tweets about Mexican rapists, and some stats from here about the Muslim travel ban... but I really can't be bothered.
No demonization? Seriously? You've heard he's building a wall to keep the Mexicans out, right?

No!!! The wall is not to keep Mexicans out. The wall is to stop people from illegally crossing the border. What makes this concept so difficult to understand?

There is a legal process for entering the United States. By the way Mexico also has laws as to how one may legally enter the country. As does Japan and China and Korea and Russia and Turkey and Egypt and ... EVERY FUKIN COUNTRY.
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I am not suggesting anything of the sort, rather asking questions to ascertain public opinion about the subject.

It is true as you pointed out the governments of the past have apologised even though they were not involved in nor stood by but what exactly does the apology of the state assembly of California mean and why did they do it at this moment in time?


I mean I don't know what else you want the government to do? They've lost major lawsuits relating to the topic, and they've paid out major reparations to those that are still alive and to the families of those that suffered. They've apologized time and time again for what was done.

But they're apologizing for something that none of them were involved in, and none of them stood by. What more do you want these people to do? As you cant change the past. What would be enough?

I mean the State of Assembly of California is going to make the apology because the Japanese internment camps were setup in their state and most likely done in a combination of efforts between the state of California and the US federal government. Which is why the California state assembly did this (and I doubt it was only done once, probably multiple times) and I know that the US federal government has apologized and paid reparations as well.
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One of the articles I read was about a Japanese American family owning a big farm which was thankfully not confiscated by the state but while the owners were sent to prison camps that particular farm was taken over by a neighbour that operated it on his own accord for a fixed profit that he wanted then when the owners were released from the prison he returned their land to them and explained what he took and handed over the rest. Others were not fortunate.

Another case was when a Japanese American prominent businessman was forced to sell his assets just for the miserly sum of just six cents to the dollar before he was forced in to a prison camp.

So yes, sadly land grab did play a part in the equation somewhere.


Did they also made German camps, and Italian camps? Surely the other axis countries would have supporters in American soil wouldn't they? Or was is something especially racist against Japanese?

Definitely too late, the victims of the State segregation are mostly gone by now...

They did not allow Germans or Italians to have a ham radio.

They did not jail them.

Having some Italian ancestors I am pretty sure of this to be a fact.

Japanese owned some good pieces of land in California some of it was stolen. So it was a land grab more than anything.
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