Topic: www.bitcoinsnorway.com - Exchange & Wallet (Read 4580 times)

Vi skal legge ut oppdatert API informasjon ut etter påske. Bitcoininty, bitcoinscharts.com, osv. Vil også legge ut ordreboka/trades og kursutviklingen hos oss.

Jobber med saken.


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www.bitcoinsnorway.com

Eg har prøvd å finne ut av det APIet.  Fann litt dokumentasjon her, men dokumentasjonen er feil.

Rot-URLen til alle API-kalla er https://bitcoinsnorway.com:8400/ajax.  For å få ut ein ticker skulle eg altso kunne poste "{"instrument":"XBTUSD"}" til https://bitcoinsnorway.com:8400/ajax/v1/GetTicker.  Det går slik:

Eg tek "isAccepted":false som eit dårleg teikn.  Men i eit døme på eit anna kall lenger nede ser eg at dei har brukt "ins":"kode" i staden.  Prøvar det:

Sjå der, ja!  Eg tvilar litt på det volumet, men kursen står seg samanlikna med dei andre.  På same tid har vi (konvertert til NOK):
Lågaste bod, men konkurransedyktig ask.  Spread på 4,4% er den høgaste av dei eg samanliknar med.  Det kjem sjølvsagt gebyr i tillegg (for alle andre enn bitmynt.no, der er det ingen gebyr), so reell spread er 5,4%.  Problemet er at vi ikkje veit kor mykje som er til sals til den kursen.  Ordreboka er utilgjengeleg.  Meir om det, men legg merke til "sellOrderCount":7,"buyOrderCount":7  Og legg merke til: "high":5050.  Hmm.  Kan vi få ut handlane, tru?

Vi prøvar den dokumenterte måten:

Nei.  Men instrument-bugen har vi sett før, og når vi gjer g-en stor som i GetTicker:
Dette er ugyldig json.  Det manglar ein del hermeteikn i starten her.  Dokumentasjonen er meir feil, for tidsstempelet er definitivt ikkje "unix time stamp" og eg tippar "px" er det dokumentasjonen kallar "price".  Det held ikkje akkurat til eit volum på 308..

Det kan vere interessant å sjå ordreboka, men der har eg gitt opp.  Vi prøvar den dokumenterte måten:
Ingenting.  OK, den måten som eigentleg er dokumentert:
Ingenting no heller.  Fleire feil i dokumentasjonen, kanskje?  La oss prøve:
Hey!  Men "isAccepted":false.
Nei.  Nokon tips?

Er det nokon som faktisk handlar der?  Informasjonen eg klarar å trekkje ut tilseier at det ikkje er det, men eg mistenkjer at handelen føregår på ein annan måte enn gjennom ordreboka på børsen.  Med ein spread på 5,4% er det absolutt mogeleg å tene pengar på å vidareformidle ordrane til andre børsar.

Yes, there's a whole lot of "feeling" in what TheSmellyFootMan have to say. Which makes it so clear that he is not objective for a starter. He seems like quite the hot-head, and I guess this is not the only place he's trolling away like this.

He mixes the old and new sites of BitcoinsNorway, he is factually wrong (see my previous post) and bears way to much on his personal views to promote his obvious dislike for  BitcoinsNorway.

TheSmellyFootMan behaves like this is a game of whack-a-mole, hitting out at BitcoinsNorway wherever they pop their head up. The run an exchange now, not a "store" where you used to put coins in a basket.

I trade on the new BitcoinsNorway exchange. It works. They are very responsive (hours; by email *and* on this forum). I have trusted them with a decent amount of money, and its still there. Trades are executing. Based on my *experience* I am not the slightest worried. What about you? It would be nice to hear from people here who actually trade on their exchange, and don't simply sit on the fence with a whole lot of biased "feelings" about this and that.

I read them with great pleasure, thank you. I've been greatly skeptical towards bitcoinsnorge from their first announcement here, and I think TheFootman put several of my feelings into (many, many) words. And I don't think the replies he got proved him wrong.

blah blah blah

My god, what a fucking long rant!

Do you seriously expect anyone of us to read this book you just published here?

First, you are way off topic with this post. Your personal grudge against bitcoinsnorge.no seems to refer to their old website, and not the current exchange. If you read the first announce in this thread, its clear this refers to the new exchange service they are running, and not the old website where you presumably bought your bitcoins. Sure enough, run by the same people, but the technical implementation is very different.

I am not coming to BitcoinNorway's defence here necessarily. I just find your post completely unacceptable. You are wasting good people's time with your grudge and unwanted rant. Create a blog and post your crap there instead. If you are going to post here, try at least to be useful to the community. I am sorry about your bitcoins, lost opportunities and time or whatever, but your matter is between yourself and BitcoinsNorway and not the rest of us.

Second, the first point you make above is negated simply by the posts I have made earlier in this thread and the response from BitcoinsNorway which was to immediately accept responsibility and refund me for lost coins.

I will have no issue whatsoever if OP of this thread decides to delete all the posts made by TheSmellyFootMan and their responses. Its all just a waste of good screen space.

Can you imagine any possible reason that i write in english? Perhaps I don't understand Norwegian that well? I'm a frequent user of Google translate, but I don't think Google translate Norwegian is very pleasant to read.


Unless you are the sole owner of private keys for bitcoins, you do not own the bitcoins, and as such making a promise to sell said bitcoins to anyone is unethical unless you can provide the service in a timely manner. I never heard of an exchange 'lock a wallet'. Anyway, this is now a moot point.




Yes, is there anything from my post that indicates that I think otherwise?


No, I wish Bitcoin to succeed, but I'm not a big fan of opportunistic businessmen who don't act ethically.


That is your statement, you always twist something to your benefit. If you looked more honestly on the situation and admitted to doing errors and then proceeded in an honest way learning from your mistakes, it would be completely differently.

There's nothing wrong with making mistakes, there's nothing wrong with not being technical competent. What's wrong though is to not have the ability to learn from ones mistakes, not to admit to them and not having the ability to do some introspection.

Nobody is flawless or perfect.


Running a business means that comments will surface in public internet forums, and esp. so if customer issues are not handled in a timely manner. Contrary to your statement here, your privacy statement explicitly states that you will hand out private information according to your own discretion:


I'm not familiar with alphapoint, but it's strange to outsource everything to an american company relying on them to keep everything safe, when we know about the level of privacy breaches that are currently taking place in the US, ref. the Snowden revelations.


Your logic never stops to amaze me. This is a juvenile attempt of a low blow. Interesting theory though, so everyone that has factual and legitimate criticism about something is driven by envy as a motive?

I'm not here to put you in a bad light, or make you fail. I'm here, pointing out flaws that I think needs correcting.


Well, many people were of the opinion that MtGox were secure as well.. I've pointed to numerous issues in my previous post, of which you've failed to address most if any of them, instead of adressing the technical and factual issues at hand you decide to go into ad hominem mode.

Well - I won't waste much more time in regards to this.

Let the reader judge for himself and time be the judge of your business.

Kan du skrive på norsk her istede for engelsk.

1. Det som skjedde tidligere var at vi formidlet bitcoins, nå er bitcoins norge en ren exchange. Når vi tidligere formidlet bitcoins og en exchange låste walleten (som har skjedd på det fleste børser) så betyr ikke det at vi formidlet bitcoins vi ikke hadde. Det var en forsinket levering.  
2. Bitcoinsnorway.com har ikke faste priser på bitcoins! Det er en exchange på samme måte som bitstamp, btc-e.com osv. Kundene setter prisen!
3. Har ingen forståelse for alle de "kundene" du mener ikke er fornøyde. Det er nok spesielt du Thefootman som er veldig ute etter oss. :-)
4. Vi slettet noen poster for det var en useriøs tråd med masse påstander og mye faktafeil.
5. Vi mener kundeservice ikke hører hjemme på et forum, det er en privat sak mellom oss og kunden. Vi deler ikke ut kundeinformasjon uten videre!
6. Helt riktig at vi ikke har kompetanse nok,  system teknisk til å drive en exchange på ett profesjonelt nivå, derfor er www.alphapoint.com - Alphapoint Coorporation engasjert til dette, som drifter 10 andre børser, i tillegg til andre type trading plattformer. For å ivareta kundenes sikkerhet, har vi engasjert de beste på område.
7. Mistenker at Thefootman prøver å svartlegge tjenesten, fordi det er samme person som kontaktet oss og ville starte exchange selv, men kom aldri igang.

Desverre synes vi dette var masse tomme påstander og faktafeil fra thefootman. Det virker som for oss du ikke har forstått hvordan vi opererer. Vi setter service og sikkerhet øverst, og har ikke fått noen tilbakemeldinger som ligner på din oppfattelse.
Bitcoins Norge AS vil hele tiden utvikles+ forsøke å forbedre vår tjeneste, på samme måte som andre børser utvikler seg. Om noen kunder kommer med korrekte bugs eller endringer som bør foretas på systemet, så vil vi belønne dem med Bitcoins. :-)

Mvh Bitcoins Norge AS

To anyone wanting to use Bitcoinsnorway.com. Their business ethics is very questionable. Nothing is ever their fault. Always blame a problem on someone else, someone having a legitimate concern, blame it on a 3rd party. Never address the real problem.

They appear as an opportunistic player in the market, without any substance or support for the community and the involved technology. Either they're severely incompetent, or they actually do think that other people having legitimate concerns are stupid, and that those very people cannot even wrap their head around the simplest concepts.

First off. BitcoinsNorway has posed as a fixed rate exchanger in Norway for a long time. There's been numerous complaints, and delivery delays. Look at the link in my previous post. Them quoting in the response that 'it's not possible to deliver bitcoins they don't have' either points to them being completely dumb, or trying to make me appear dumb. What the real answer here is, only they know.

It's very apparent from the context in the link that it was referred to their previous business as a fixed rate exchanger, and not their current business. While business plan might've changed, the people behind it haven't. Draw your own conclusions.

It's quite obvious to any observer that what was referred to was the fact that previously when they acted as a fixed rate exchanger between NOK<>BTC they did sell bitcoins they did not have, and delays by a 3rd party caused delayment of bitcoin transfer to the client.

To spoonfeed anyone still not understanding this:

1. Client enters into a buying agreement with BitcoinsNorway. The rate is looked, and the client sends money to BitcoinsNorway.
2. Client receives bitcoins from BitcoinsNorway, however if BitcoinsNorway does not have bitcoins in stock, they need to buy it from somewhere else, and thus imposes a delay.

This is akin to someone picking out a TV in an electronics store, being told by the sales man that it is in stock, then proceeding to the pickup-point only to be told that the TV is not in right now, but will be 'shortly'. That's a breach of the agreement, and the customer will be rightfully upset, no matter if it was the sales man, the computer system, the warehouse guy or whatever that caused the error.

Even worse would it be if the electronics store agreed to deliver it to the customers house the same evening, and then nothing happens and then the customer calls the store the next day to complain, and the store says 'they're sorry' because the delivery guy did not show up to work, the delivery van got into a minor accident or whatever. The store never called the customer, explaining the delay - and the customer has every right to be upset.

Point blank: When doing any kind of business were customers are involved, be honest at all times, and any delays or deviations from the agreement must always be promptly communicated to the customer. Anything else is blatantly disrespectful towards the customer.

To continue the spood-feeding, several customers have been very dissatisfied with BitcoinsNorway acting as a fixed-rate exchanger. The lack of ethics and proper customer treatment will unquestionably leak into everything they're involved in.

As an example of their questionable ethics and lack of standing behind what they've said and done, please look at this post.

Sturle made a post at May 19, 2013, 07:18:17 PM quoting a post made by bitcoinsnorge.no at May 19, 2013, 06:23:20 PM. If you check the complete thread you will notice that the user bitcoinsnorge.no has deliberately deleted all of their posts, except the very last post in that thread.

The reason why bitcoinsnorge.no has deleted all their posts in this thread? Simple. It is because they did not like what took place in this thread. There was direct complaints regarding their business. Here's one such complaint.


They also wrote in that post that they did not appreciate the customer writing in this very thread. So, they give shitty service, and then in addition try to dicatate where the customer is to leave feedback when they did not even have the courtesy to answer said customer on e-mail.

This is handled is an very unprofessional manner. And if we look at history, we can look at the red signs for various exchanges that went awol. Poor ethics and poor customer service and subpar technical solutions are red flags that are common for such services.

There's been a legitimate customer complaint here. If they let such trivial errors exist in a production system in the front-end, God knows what goes on in the backend. At least running the service in beta mode in the beginning to eliminate simple coding errors like that should be expected.

To my understanding bitcoinsnorway.com does not have the required technical and sysadmin skills, and do not have inhouse tech knowledge, and is thus depending on external consulting for all changes to their system. While it's not uncommon to outsource such tasks in various companies, a bitcoin service needs to have tech people available at all times to be able to respond to emergencies. Possibly operating in different time zones can make this worse.

As for security - who knows - when the ethics and honesty of bitcoinsnorway.com aka bitcoinsnorge.no can be questioned, I would not trust them outright on security.

For instance, they state here that they're operating completely legally:


Their privacy statement states:


If I understand the Norwegian statements here correctly, bitcoinsnorge.no runs no principles and will bow to any request for customer data if they see fit. They don't even require there be a legitimate request from law enforcement to give out condidental customer data.

And how's all this customer data handled? They collect information that can easily be used for identity theft. Is customer data stored offline, on systems that's not accessible online? Why's their server ip resolving to a US server.

Do they have the proper licenses to run a bitcoin business on US soil? Running this service on a US server makes it fairly easy for the NSA to gain 100% control of all traffic on this server.

Are BitcoinsNorway aware of the new Side Channel Attacks that's a security risk when running on a VPS?


If I understand your comment correctly is there anything of the above criticism that you do not find legitimate and constructive?

There are most likely many other issues I could look into as well, but I'll leave security audits and financial audits to someone else.

As a customer, do your due diligence and decide wether you're willing to trust BitcoinsNorway with documents sufficient to conduct identity theft (this goes for any bitcoin exchange), or if you'd rather like to trade p2p with less information bout you being revealed.

I'm not sure if BitcoinsNorway learned anything from this post, or if they're still thinking that everybody else is the problem, and that they have everything under control.

To condone any service, I'm looking for professional conduct, respect for customer privacy and an overall professional way of running the service. Deleting posting history on this forum, dictating where users should leave feedback, delaying bitcoin payments, claiming they run legally without showing proof, and blaming problems on others and attempting to make others look dumb without recognizing legitimate concerns, is in my opinion not something that builds trust in their service.

Hei TheFootMan!
Vi selger ikke bitcoins, det er kundene som selger bitcoins. Det er rimelig umulig å levere bitcoins man ikke har....
Vi deler heller ingen kundeinformasjon uten videre. At en person skriver sin bitcoins adresse i denne tråden, betyr ikke at vår informasjon om kunden blir delt.
Synd du synes vår tjeneste ikke er god nok, håper du kan komme med konstruktiv tilbakemelding istede for din generelle formening. :-) 


Hei Lazerlab
Ja, vi kan overføre til utlandet.

Mvh Bitcoinsnorway.com

Be careful with bitcoinsnorway - they're known for selling bitcoins they don't have. Also keep in mind that an exchange can be hacked, so keep bitcoin privkeys stored locally.

Also a professional exchange will not do customer service having customers divulge private information in a forum thread.

All in all, the technical expertise of bitcoinsnorway is questionable, and flaws in the UI might be representative for the overall system. Anyone running an exchange as an operator should have first hand programming/sysadmin knowledge.

Be careful.

Overfører dere til utenlanske kontoer ?

Bitcoins Norge AS bruker ikke remarketer, men noen utvalgte kunder foreløpig. Så ja, dersom det ikke er likviditet så matches ordre opp mot andre børser.
Derfor er det mulig å handle for flere hundre tusen, uten at prisen pr. bitcoin går opp.

Mvh Bitcoins Norge AS

Takk.

1DPqPieRkrKdtTE7KrBxYxEbfePGb1jwyM


Betyr det at når jeg legger inn bud hos dere så matches disse også opp mot ordrer på andre børser?

Hva jeg har i tankene er dette:
https://alphapoint.com/remarketer.html

Er dette et produkt dere bruker?

Takk for tilbakemelding. Enig med deg her, det var nok ikke selvforklarende!

Legg bitcoins adressen din igjen her, så erstatter vi NOK 381 pga. du kommenterte dette!
Vi skal utbedre exchangen kontinuerlig etter kunden sine ønsker!

Ja, kunder kopierer ordre fra andre børser.

Mvh Bitcoins Norge AS

Bruker dere Remarketer produktet til Alphapoint, dvs kopierer dere ordrer fra andre børser som f.eks. Bistamp?

Jeg har nå prøvd å handle på BitcoinsNorway.com, og opplevelsen var ikke overbevisende...

Jeg valgte "Kjøp bitcoins til pris" og la inn et bud på 1 XBT for NOK 3,250.

Ordren, til denne bud prisen, dukket da opp under "Åpne ordre". I tillegg var det 3 knapper; Execute Now, Move To Top og Cancel. Knappene har ingen forklaring.

Execute Now knappen fikk meg til å lure om ordren faktisk lå i ordreboken deres. Jeg trykket derfor på denne og tenkte ingenting galt kan vel skje?

Men nei! Ordren ble effektuert umiddelbart til laveste Ask pris i ordreboken som var NOK 3,632!!

Jeg er derfor nå den lykkelige eier av 1 XBT til NOK 381 over bud prisen min.

Ingen upris det egentlig, men det blir helt feil å endre en Buy pris på en Limit order uten forvarsel!

Jeg mener dere burde ha testet systemet først med noen naive beta testere før dere slengte dette på almuen. Her er det stor risiko for å miste betydelige mengder penger!

Takk for dine spørsmål.

Vi vil ordne API tilgang snarest.

1. Kommer om få uker.
2. Bitstamp de første ukene, og derretter kun trades på bitcoinsnorway.com.
3. Ettersom exchangen nettopp har åpnet, så har vi ikke lagt ut det ennå. Kommer om få uker.
4. Ja, vi skal registrere oss på de fleste charter i løpet av de neste ukene.
5. Satser på å aktivere det i løpet av mars. Kun XBT akkurat nå ja.
6. Det vil være offentlig tilgjengelig på feks. purehelp.no /brønnøysund når emisjonen er registrert/fullført. Det er så pass mange, at det blir mye å liste opp her.

Håper svarene var tilfredstillende.

Mvh Bitcoins Norge AS

Flott initiativ som sikkert vil stimulere til økt trading og bruk av coins i Norge. Lykke til!!

Jeg begynner trading så snart mine NOK ankommer konto. Fint om dere kan få igang API kjapt.

Spørsmål:

1) Er det mulig å se ordreboken/dybde og trading historikk (over all kontoer)?

2) Ad historie grafen; inkluderer den trades på BitcoinsNorway.com og/eller andre børser også?

3) Har dere en tilsvarende grad som viser volum på deres børs over samme periode?

4) Kan dere registrere dere på Bitcoincharts? http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currency/NOK.html

5) Virker som om dere kun støtter XBT trading, og ikke de andre crypto-currencies du oppgir. Riktig? Når har dere planer om å aktivere de andre?

6) Kan du/dere oppgi hvem andre som er aksjonærer i Bitcoins Norge AS foruten Ole-Andre?

Takk for info.
"Keep it simple" - er mitt råd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

Det er en egen exchange, men bygget av Alphapoint ja. Vi har kontrakt med alphapoint, som tar seg av 90% av det tekniske.

Vi skal foreløpig støtte følgende digitale valutaer, XBT,LTC,PPC,FTC,NMC og TRC. +USD/XBT og EUR/XBT. Vi har også planer om å åpne exchange i Spania, som vil kjøres på samme børs som Bitcoinsnorway.com - Håper det kan gi likviditet i markedet EUR/XBT.


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