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Some very interesting discussions going on here, good to see active and intellectual community involvement.

We've not heard about the new logo design from some time now - is it still being discussed or has been sidelined as we are finding a way for PoT implementation ?

Also would like to know about new web design. Not expecting quick updates on this as I understand GreXX is on leave for a week but wanted to
put this query out there.



From an earlier post from GreXX :

Christine Isslander has been hired as Crypti's professional designer. Take a look at some of her work here : https://dribbble.com/christineissland, once you see her work you'll realize just how good she actually is. She has also recently designed the snapCard.io site : http://snapcard.io/

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Anyone saw the flash dump on BTER? Just got myself some more XCR  Wink
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As I stated earlier, California has declared BTC to be a legal currency.  Why?  Taxes of course.


The California Franchise Tax Board (CFTB - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Franchise_Tax_Board has not declared Bitcoin to be "legal" anymore than the Federal IRS has. They both have "only" declared profits from Bitcoin speculation and appreciation to be a taxable form of income.   Technically, criminal drug dealers and prostitutes are supposed to declare their earnings as taxable income, too, even tho what they are selling is illegal.  This is how they put Al Capone behind bars.  They never arrested him for selling illegal booze during Prohibition - they jailed him for not paying taxes on that income.  See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone  

Tax organizations like IRS and CFTB are parts of a governing body's "Department of Treasury (DOT)" and do not have the authority to declare something "legal" or "illegal" under that governing body's established law.   That is the duty of the governing body's "Department of Justice (DOJ)" and for States, the top DOJ officer is the State Attorney General.  There are 50+ of these (see http://www.naag.org/current-attorneys-general.php ), and not a single one has made a statement declaring Bitcoin to be legal.  I maintain that they will be forced to declare Bitcoin mining illegal if and when its specifics are clearly explained to them.  

Your other comments about "progressively changing chance" does not alter the legal fact that a chance mechanism is involved to select the winning miner that wins a 25 Bitcoin prize every ten minutes.  

Use some of the 750 BTC in the Crypti fund to buy an hour or two of a professional lawyer's time to prove me wrong:

http://www.theiaga.org/
http://bestlawfirms.usnews.com/gaming-law

For now, I stand by my claims.

Mal, California has declared BTC to be LEGAL INCOME. as versus ILLEGAL INCOME.  

One of the little 'gotchas" in California Tax Law is that you have to declare all income, legal and illegal, but you cannot deduct expenses for illegal income.

A dope dealer that sells dope for 100,000 dollars, but bought it for 80,000 dollars is liable for tax on the whole 100,000, not just he 20,000 dollar profit.

If BTC was illegal income, the expense of mining would not be deductible under Calif law, but is under Federal law.


For now we can agree to disagree.  I stand by my statement that the CTFB does not have the authority to interpret California gaming law and did not issue their ruling with "prize / chance and consideration" in mind.  These bureaucrats do not understand just what is under the hood of PoW mining, all they see is lots of piles of money they can tax.  Bitcoin has been on the public radar for only a year or so.  There is much more legal interpretation on its status yet to come.  It will only take one AG to declare it an illegal lottery to start the FUD ball rolling and a huge movement to a non-lottery based cryptocoin - which will be somebody and could be Crypti.

A declaration that PoW mining is an illegal lottery would make existing coins tainted and eligible for confiscation because they came from a poisoned source.  Don't believe me?  See:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/?hpid=z3
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As I stated earlier, California has declared BTC to be a legal currency.  Why?  Taxes of course.


The California Franchise Tax Board (CFTB - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Franchise_Tax_Board has not declared Bitcoin to be "legal" anymore than the Federal IRS has. They both have "only" declared profits from Bitcoin speculation and appreciation to be a taxable form of income.   Technically, criminal drug dealers and prostitutes are supposed to declare their earnings as taxable income, too, even tho what they are selling is illegal.  This is how they put Al Capone behind bars.  They never arrested him for selling illegal booze during Prohibition - they jailed him for not paying taxes on that income.  See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone  

Tax organizations like IRS and CFTB are parts of a governing body's "Department of Treasury (DOT)" and do not have the authority to declare something "legal" or "illegal" under that governing body's established law.   That is the duty of the governing body's "Department of Justice (DOJ)" and for States, the top DOJ officer is the State Attorney General.  There are 50+ of these (see http://www.naag.org/current-attorneys-general.php ), and not a single one has made a statement declaring Bitcoin to be legal.  I maintain that they will be forced to declare Bitcoin mining illegal if and when its specifics are clearly explained to them.  

Your other comments about "progressively changing chance" does not alter the legal fact that a chance mechanism is involved to select the winning miner that wins a 25 Bitcoin prize every ten minutes.  

Use some of the 750 BTC in the Crypti fund to buy an hour or two of a professional lawyer's time to prove me wrong:

http://www.theiaga.org/
http://bestlawfirms.usnews.com/gaming-law

For now, I stand by my claims.

Mal, California has declared BTC to be LEGAL INCOME. as versus ILLEGAL INCOME. 

One of the little 'gotchas" in California Tax Law is that you have to declare all income, legal and illegal, but you cannot deduct expenses for illegal income.

A dope dealer that sells dope for 100,000 dollars, but bought it for 80,000 dollars is liable for tax on the whole 100,000, not just he 20,000 dollar profit.

If BTC was illegal income, the expense of mining would not be deductible under Calif law, but is under Federal law.

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History shows that new world orders are established by revolutions, which are messy and inflict some hurt on everybody.

Bitcoin has serious flaws that are eventually going to kill it, and its legal status is only one of them.  

Bitcoin IS an illegal lottery under US State law.  Keeping that fact "quiet" doesn't make it untrue.  

Today Bitcoin has a market cap of 4.8 billion dollars.  Crypti has a market cap of 183 thousand dollars.

Bitcoin's market cap is over 25,000 times that of Crypti.

The only way that Crypti can become a key cryptocurrency is by using every edge at its disposal.

I'm ready to do that.  

I think many would agree. Nowadays, we all seem to be under US jurisdiction regardless of where we live in the world. If we are going to have a revolution, then lets pick our enemies wisely. I for one don't regard Bitcoin as an enemy. In fact I regard Bitcoin as a fellow comrade who is still stuck in the trenches. Maybe in 5-10 years after governments have imposed their various regulations on us, we will all be at each others throats...

A revolution requires weapons (PoT, PoP) and an army (Forgers, Vendors). At the moment we don't have much of either one.

Let's focus on building what we have so far, whilst keeping an open mind along the way.

Btw I am enjoying reading your comments. So please carry on... Smiley
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As I stated earlier, California has declared BTC to be a legal currency.  Why?  Taxes of course.


The California Franchise Tax Board (CFTB - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Franchise_Tax_Board has not declared Bitcoin to be "legal" anymore than the Federal IRS has. They both have "only" declared profits from Bitcoin speculation and appreciation to be a taxable form of income.   Technically, criminal drug dealers and prostitutes are supposed to declare their earnings as taxable income, too, even tho what they are selling is illegal.  This is how they put Al Capone behind bars.  They never arrested him for selling illegal booze during Prohibition - they jailed him for not paying taxes on that income.  See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone  

Tax organizations like IRS and CFTB are parts of a governing body's "Department of Treasury (DOT)" and do not have the authority to declare something "legal" or "illegal" under that governing body's established law.   That is the duty of the governing body's "Department of Justice (DOJ)" and for States, the top DOJ officer is the State Attorney General.  There are 50+ of these (see http://www.naag.org/current-attorneys-general.php ), and not a single one has made a statement declaring Bitcoin to be legal.  I maintain that they will be forced to declare Bitcoin mining to be an illegal lottery if and when its specifics are clearly explained to them.  

Your other comments about "progressively changing chance" does not alter the legal fact that a chance mechanism is involved to select the winning miner that wins a 25 Bitcoin prize every ten minutes.  

Also, a declaration that PoW mining is an illegal lottery would make existing coins tainted and eligible for confiscation because they came from a poisoned source.  Don't believe me?  See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/?hpid=z3

I believe that a ruling that Bitcoin was an illegal lottery would send vendors to a no-forging Crypti in droves, overnight.

Use some of the 750 BTC in the Crypti fund to buy an hour or two of a professional lawyer's time to prove me wrong:

http://www.theiaga.org/
http://bestlawfirms.usnews.com/gaming-law

For now, I stand by my claims.
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Mal,

As I stated earlier, California has declared BTC to be a legal currency.  Why?  Taxes of course.

I know from personal experience that California charges income tax on "world wide income", not just income earned within the state.  I had to pay California income tax on my wife's Idaho income because I earned over $600 in California in 2013. 

By declaring BTC as legal currency, California can collect income tax on the world wide BTC  income of anyone that earned $600 or more from a California entity.

If your BTC is banked at Coinbase (in San Francisco) and you made money on it........... congratulations!!!  you now have to file and pay California Income Taxes on all your world wide income. 


The ANSWER TO EVERYTHING is not "42".  It's "FOLLOW THE MONEY"
legendary
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Mal, these are some serious statements about attacking Bitcoin. I dont like that at all. I mean hurting Bitcoin means hurting everyone in Crypto and this is not a solution or proper way to start new currency or any project for that matter. If Crypti should overcome Bitcoin thats great, but intentionally trying to destroy Bitcoin – i wont be participating in that, thats for sure!

Sigh.  That's exactly what they said to me at NXT.

History shows that new world orders are established by revolutions, which are messy and inflict some hurt on everybody.

Bitcoin has serious flaws that are eventually going to kill it, and its legal status is only one of them.  

Bitcoin IS an illegal lottery under US State law.  Keeping that fact "quiet" doesn't make it untrue.  

Today Bitcoin has a market cap of 4.8 billion dollars.  Crypti has a market cap of 183 thousand dollars.

Bitcoin's market cap is over 25,000 times that of Crypti.

The only way that Crypti can become a key cryptocurrency is by using every edge at its disposal.

I'm ready to do that.  
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Mal,

I like your essay, but I see a couple of errors.  Bitseed addressed one already.

Your statement that solving the PoW on BTC mining is random chance is not entirely true.  It is not random chance because every failed hash results in one less possibility for the solution.  Each failed hash increases the chance of finding the solution.

For example:  To open a combination lock, every possible combination is attempted in numerical order from lowest to highest.  When the combination is found, it was not a random chance, it is an eventuality of the process.

Random chance would be if any person could only try one combination, and had no knowledge of the previous attempted combinations.

Also, supposing BTC was declared an illegal lottery...... that would only affect the mining, not the existing coins.

California has declared BTC to be a legal currency.
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1. Without forging fees, how will you combat spam?  I have only talked to one developer that has said he can do this and his coin hasn't been released so there you go. 

Transaction fees, if implemented to prevent spam, don't automatically have to go to forgers as a "prize".  They can go to a single pot under control of the Crypsi Foundation and be spent by committee vote on worthy projects that benefit everybody.  Then it's a "tax", not a "prize", and Crypti would still be the only legal cryptocoin not running an illegal lottery.

2. The approach of putting it all on vendors and their hardware is in theory a sustainable model, and one I think is a good idea, just not from Crypti.  The problem is the bootstrap.  It would literally take a company like Apple or Google to release their iBits or Gbits to get mass amounts of retailers to update their hardware. 

Crypti doesn't have the money, power, or pull of Google or Apple, so trying to get vendors to install new hardware is a dream.  Your best bet would be to find some pre-existing hardware that would be compatible with Crypti and try to get a firmware update.  It couldn't be a hack because nobody is going to trust a third party changing the code in their POS terminal.  That is unwise.  Sooooo, that means talking directly to the manufacturer and good luck with that.  I'm not sure if you could even get somebody high up to even answer the phone. 

The Coinbox guys are talking to pcDuino about using their $39 nano : http://liliputing.com/2014/09/pcduino3-nano-smaller-cheaper-mini-pc-arduino-support.html

I totally agree that getting vendors to buy in cold and install one of these as JUST a Crypti node is a fantasy.  However, if it ALSO supported Bitcoin transactions at the same time as it was running Crypti node software,  Bitcoin vendors would buy it for the flexibility it would offer their existing Bitcoin transactions.  The initial sales pitch would educate them by highlighting that Bitcoin is an illegal lottery and is going to be declared illegal soon, Bitcoin is on the decline, Cryptsi is on the upswing and this board is not only a valuable tool for today but insurance for an uncertain tomorrow as well.  On the day a State AG issues a ruling that Bitcoin mining is illegal in his State and violates his lottery laws, our message goes viral and demand for our dual-purpose board would skyrocket.

3. As Starik pointed out, then this system isn't decentralized which of course is not necessary, but it is, because it is an established cannon rule that whatever crypto win the alt wars be, it must be decentralized and open sourced.

I presume you are talking about the various proposed PoT system upgrades.  As I understand it (and I may be wrong, and maybe the consultant can come up with some other approach), the original PoT implementation used identical decentralized peers but wouldn't scale beyond 50 nodes.  The upgrades being evaluated to allow PoT scaling involve either (a) a tree structure with comm-linked "super-peers" controlling groups of identical peers under them, with ALL nodes having the possibility of forging a block every blocktime, or (b) numerous small networks of comm-linked identical peers that are rotated in to forge a block by some central authority when their turn comes, with only SOME nodes having the possibility of forging a block every blocktime.  Neither (a) nor (b) is a decentralized approach.

There are only three possible outcomes here.  First, Crypti gets its original decentralized all-equal-peer PoT algorithm working despite initial latency problems.  Second, Crypti goes with a PoT system that is not decentralized and has one-or-more privileged "super-peers" at centralized locations within the algorithm.  Third, Crypti goes with a non-PoT system.  

If Boris & Co. are successful with the first outcome (and if there is no community effort made to change the development course for Crypti), then there is no further decision to be made.  The Crypti team delivers a PoT algorithm exactly as they said they would, forgers are selected by decentralized PoT and get paid exactly as they expected to be paid, and as vendors slowly come to dominate the Crypti system in the future, forgers will eventually "weed themselves out naturally" over RoI considerations.  

If the first possible outcome fails, Crypti will be forced to go with the second or third outcome.

If Boris & Co. are successful with the second outcome (and if there is no community effort made to change the development course for Crypti), then there is no further decision to be made.  The Crypti team delivers a PoT algorithm exactly as they said they would, forgers are selected by centralized PoT and get paid exactly as they expected to be paid, and as vendors slowly come to dominate the Crypti system in the future, forgers will eventually "weed themselves out naturally" over RoI considerations.  Plus, Crypti is a weaker-than-desired cryptocoin because of its unfortunately-necessary embedded centralization.

Note second outcome ("centralized super-peer PoT") may be infeasible and so never released by the devs.  It may also be undesirable to a point where it is rejected by the community even if released by the devs.  Note that infeasible and undesirable are two different sets of circumstances, but both lead to selecting the third option (non-PoT).    

There are many possible non-PoT variants for Crypti.  My proposed vendor-oriented, no forging version and starting an illegal-lottery PR war with Bitcoin is only one possibility.  Let's hear yours.

4. There is some great theoretically ideas being tossed around here about how to solve many of the PoW problems that Bitcoin has plagued us with, but the [final] answer just hasn't come yet. 

We're not done introducing new ideas yet, either.  At least, I'm not.  Stay tuned.
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Some very interesting discussions going on here, good to see active and intellectual community involvement.

We've not heard about the new logo design from some time now - is it still being discussed or has been sidelined as we are finding a way for PoT implementation ?

Also would like to know about new web design. Not expecting quick updates on this as I understand GreXX is on leave for a week but wanted to
put this query out there.



Just between you and me, both projects have been outsourced to professional designers.  Don't tell anyone I told you, OK?
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oh gee sorry for making it go 500 sat..  had to sell 25% lower than ipo  Cry
the litlte man btcs btc saga ends it shortlived life  Angry

good luck boys..
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Mal, these are some serious statements about attacking Bitcoin. I dont like that at all. I mean hurting Bitcoin means hurting everyone in Crypto and this is not a solution or proper way to start new currency or any project for that matter. If Crypti should overcome Bitcoin thats great, but intentionally trying to destroy Bitcoin – i wont be participating in that, thats for sure!

Anyway, I have to agree that making 0 transaction fee coin would be best. But making it more centralized in which only merchants supporting network isnt what will make Crypti spread around.
As SomethingElse said - how will you get vendors buy coinbox and start accepting Crypti? This can take years. 0 trans fees are great incentive for merchant but what is the incentive for buyer? A lot of people got into
Bitcoin because of mining – and thats a great way for adoption to spread. Crypti should do the same IMO. This system provably works esspecially if »ordinary« people could forge as it is with Crypti.

Maybe 0 fees would be long term solution but current focus should be to get as many people as possible on board.  
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Stating presumptions as fact does NOT make them actual facts...  just saying...   Roll Eyes
I welcome all challenging commentary by others that would show any of my presumptions to be incorrect.
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Some very interesting discussions going on here, good to see active and intellectual community involvement.

We've not heard about the new logo design from some time now - is it still being discussed or has been sidelined as we are finding a way for PoT implementation ?

Also would like to know about new web design. Not expecting quick updates on this as I understand GreXX is on leave for a week but wanted to
put this query out there.

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PoT + PoP is not a lottery since it is determined by the total amount of time a node has been running since its last forge or initial start plus the total amount of spends it has made. Chance may enter into it in the occasional event of a tie, and the runners up in that tie are still at or near the top of the queue to generate a block soon after the tie.
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1. Without forging fees, how will you combat spam?  I have only talked to one developer that has said he can do this and his coin hasn't been released so there you go. 

2. The approach of putting it all on vendors and their hardware is in theory a sustainable model, and one I think is a good idea, just not from Crypti.  The problem is the bootstrap.  It would literally take a company like Apple or Google to release their iBits or Gbits to get mass amounts of retailers to update their hardware. 

Crypti doesn't have the money, power, or pull of Google or Apple, so trying to get vendors to install new hardware is a dream.  Your best bet would be to find some pre-existing hardware that would be compatible with Crypti and try to get a firmware update.  It couldn't be a hack because nobody is going to trust a third party changing the code in their POS terminal.  That is unwise.  Sooooo, that means talking directly to the manufacturer and good luck with that.  I'm not sure if you could even get somebody high up to even answer the phone. 

3. As Starik pointed out, then this system isn't decentralized which of course is not necessary, but it is, because it is an established cannon rule that whatever crypto win the alt wars be, it must be decentralized and open sourced.

4. There is some great theoretically ideas being tossed around here about how to solve many of the PoW problems that Bitcoin has plagued us with, but the answer just hasn't come yet. 
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We have not at any point slowed down or abandoned working towards the solution we originally proposed and as mentioned, are working with an outside consultant on some possible options as we speak....

I want to be completely 100% CLEAR here and state that The Crypti Foundation at has not, at any point, voted to make this change or progress with one of the possible secondary efforts to build a different form of Crypti. We ARE building background contingencies, but it is our full intention to continue developing the same solution we proposed from day 1. The conversation we are having here is about possible contingencies only at this point and is just an interesting conversation about possible innovations in the industry and ways to build out a network for a second generation currency.

I hope that clears up some possible confusion and relieves some of the worry that we will simply abandon forgers. Our goal right now is to find a solution to build the system that we said we would, build it, and then bring it to market.

Please Keep in mind that anything I say in regards to my thoughts or views on proposed solutions or systems here is only my view and comments and that the Crypti Foundation requires a majority vote of the Board members in order to make any changes, small or large, to the fundamental system. So even if I like the ideas here from time to time, or talk positively about them, it does not mean anything has changed.

We would have serious discussions here, initiated by us and probably with polls, before making any fundamental changes.

So while Crypti leadership continues with the PoT Plan A (as they should), let me discuss another critically important aspect of my blue-sky proposed Crypti Plan B.

The Plan B "no-PoT, vendor-oriented, random-selection, no-forging, zero-transaction-fee" system would make Crypti the ONLY legal cryptocoin in the United States and many other countries.

This would force ALL current Bitcoin vendors to buy into a Crypti system ASAP to cover their asses and have a viable fallback cryptocurrency if and when Bitcoin (and its clones) crashes upon being declared illegal.

Before you call me crazy, hear me out.   My logic is this.  

Bitcoin has been declared legal by the US FEDERAL government agencies of the Department of Justice and the Internal Revenue Service.  

DOJ has said BTC (and by extension all cryptocurrencies) are a "legitimate financial instrument":  http://www.dailydot.com/news/bitcoin-department-of-justice-securities-exchange-commission/

IRS has said BTC (and by extension all cryptocurrencies) are "legal taxable property": http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS-Virtual-Currency-Guidance

So far, so good.  But gaming / gambling law in the United States is handled by the STATES, not the FEDS, and the State Attorney Generals (AGs) have yet to rule on the legality of cryptocurrency mining / forging as a form of illegal gambling.  Which it is, once you truly understand how BTC mining (and even PoS forging) works.  The AGs don't understand this because nobody has made it clear yet to the State AGs how Bitcoin (and clones, and even NXT) is running an illegal lottery.

By US Federal and State law, only US States can legally run lotteries.  An illegal lottery is defined as any non-State activity that exhibits ALL THREE elements  of prize, chance and consideration.  Google "lottery prize chance consideration" and you will come up with links like these :

http://www.marketingresources.com/pages/sweepstakes-101/38.php
http://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/legal_guides/u-2.shtml
http://www.frostbrowntodd.com/resources-1069.html
http://www.blankrome.com/index.cfm?contentID=37&itemID=2300

So let's talk about prize, chance and consideration in the context of PoW / PoS mining / forging.

Prize: In general, anything of value  provided to a "winner" of a lottery activity.  For Bitcoin, this is currently 25 bitcoins currently worth between $7.5K-$10K awarded every ten minutes.  Other PoW coins make similar awards differing only in their amount and timing, as determined by the rules of that coin.  For "fixed supply" coins like NXT, the "prize" is the forging fees awarded every blocktime.  If XCR implements PoT, it will have a forging fee prize.

Chance: In general, any factor that makes the selection of the prize winner to have an element of randomness (as opposed to, say, skill - being judged by a fair panel of experts to have the best essay, for example).  For Bitcoin and other PoW coins, this chance factor is determined by the nonce, difficulty factor and target.  

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Nonce
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Target

For PoW Bitcoin, miners around the world compete against each other in an (illegal) lottery every ten minutes to win a prize of 25 bitcoins.  They are running mining rigs to create cryptographically encoded blocks recording for posterity all Bitcoin transactions occurring in the previous ten minutes.  Literally tens of thousands of mining rigs create literally thousands of millions of billions of trial blocks in the ten minute blocktime period.  Each of these trial blocks are different from one another because they all use a different nonce that is randomly selected by the mining rig as part of the calculation process for each trial block.  ANY ONE of these trial blocks could THEORETICALLY be added to the blockchain as the valid next block.    IN PRACTICE, trillions of these trial blocks are rejected until one is created by accident and by chance that has a required number of initial leading zeros specified by the current Bitcoin "difficulty factor".   This determines the "winning miner" who actually DOES get to add his block to the blockchain- and he is determined BY CHANCE.

Bitcoin is no different that a bunch of guys throwing dice in a back alley, only the "dice" are mining rigs and the "back alley" is the Internet.  Warehouses of ASIC mining rigs like this one is no different than an unlicensed basement casino : http://www.coindesk.com/inside-north-americas-8m-bitcoin-mining-operation/

PoS NXT uses something called "transparent forging" (too complicated to get into here) in selecting the forger who will add the next block to the block chain, and TF has a chance element, too.

If XCR implements PoT, it will choose between nodes that have been operational for identical lengths of time by using some kind of chance function.

Consideration: In general, anything that requires a participant to expend a monetary amount or significant effort to participate, and in particular something that benefits the operator of the lottery activity.  For any cryptocoin, this would be operation of computers by miners/forgers/vendors/users to calculate blocks during a blocktime, and in particular the addition by a "lottery winner" of a valid block to a blockchain.

Let me cut to the chase.  

If Crypti is successful in perfecting a Plan A - "PoT" system and awards forging fees to forgers in return for those forgers adding valid blocks to its blockchains, then (just like Bitcoin, NXT, and every single other PoW crapcoin out there)  CRYPTI WILL BE RUNNING AN ILLEGAL LOTTERY.  

If Crypti chooses to implement a Plan B - "no-PoT, vendor-oriented, random-selection, no-forging, zero-transaction-fee" system, then CRYPTI WILL NOT BE A LOTTERY AT ALL BECAUSE THERE IS NO PRIZE.  


The competitive advantages between these two situations is HUGE.  Plan A makes Crypti just like everybody else with little or no competitive advantage at all.  Plan B makes Crypti legal when everybody else including Bitcoin is illegal - and that is the ULTIMATE competitive advantage.

If we get Crypti lined up and ready to go as a no-forging / no-transaction fee service, then on one single day of our choosing we can throw down the gauntlet by emailing every US State AG (here they are: http://www.naag.org/current-attorneys-general.php ) demanding they enforce their State lottery laws against Bitcoin and shut down all Bitcoin miners in their State.  On that same day we email every Bitcoin journalist and vendor we can find saying that the king is dead, long live the king - Bitcoin just had a heart attack and Crypti is ready to take its place starting today.  Once we start this ball rolling, a decree from any one of 50+ State AGs could come at any time.  The FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) factor alone would force everybody to grab a stake in Crypri ASAP just as insurance in case Bitcoin really DOES stumble and crash via a subsequent surprise press release from an AG declaring Bitcoin an illegal lottery.

I call this the nuclear option.  We nuke Bitcoin by going to war with it on day one, and we have the key advantage of being in the right while they are in the wrong. I agitated behind the scenes at NXT about setting their forging  fees to zero and using this approach to nuke and sink Bitcoin, allowing NXT to slipstream into the lead.  The NXT powers-that-be didn't even want to discuss this approach because they didn't want to rock the boat, much less start a war.

Round two.  Now I am at Crypti.  I say let's go big or go home....with Plan B.
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Preach on brother! You are 100% right.

@Grexx

You should update the blog, even if there is only minor news.


GreXX is on a one week leave from his military job to visit his extended family in America's Favorite Vacation Destination...... North Dakota.

We should all be thankful that he has taken time from his family activities to respond to your questions, concerns, and worries.  

But, give the guy a little space.  You can jump in his stuff next week.... OKAY?

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It is a good and noble attempt that may very well solve the PoS whale / hoarding problem.  However, PoT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF REWARDING A FORGER IN A SUFFICENT, SUSTAINABLE AND SCALABLE MANNER - IT IS ONLY A "NON-SIMPLE" METHOD TO SELECT WHO FORGES A BLOCK NEXT.  Why wait for disillusioned forgers to solve it for you later by "weeding themselves out naturally"?  Why not try to solve that problem YOURSELVES, NOW by going to a vendor oriented network from the start?

Preach on brother! You are 100% right.

@Grexx

You should update the blog, even if there is only minor news.
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