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legendary
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I am sorry that you ended up on the negative side of this process and I really do feel bad about certain aspects of the way it all developed. That being said, we have now moved past that point and cannot turn back.

I told you guys many times it was a bad idea, and I also said, you should honor all SRTokens, by using developer stake. It was only small amount that was over cap, and it would have not hurt you that much, if at all, given developer stakes are something like 15 to  25%?



Why are we even responding to the complaints of someone that bought in after the cap was reached,


No, he bought it while SRTokens were still on sale. All SrTokens should have been honored, especially the overcap in SRToken was small ammount

Every time I read your posts you're bitching about something.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500

I am sorry that you ended up on the negative side of this process and I really do feel bad about certain aspects of the way it all developed. That being said, we have now moved past that point and cannot turn back.

I told you guys many times it was a bad idea, and I also said, you should honor all SRTokens, by using developer stake. It was only small amount that was over cap, and it would have not hurt you that much, if at all, given developer stakes are something like 15 to  25%?



Why are we even responding to the complaints of someone that bought in after the cap was reached,


No, he bought it while SRTokens were still on sale. All SrTokens should have been honored, especially the overcap in SRToken was small ammount
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1001
Looks like after Chinese, USA dumps have started.

See you at 1000sats?  Wink

Hard to say but it is not impossible. Even so it would be only short transitory bottom Wink
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
Yeah! I hate ShroomsKit!
Looks like after Chinese, USA dumps have started.

See you at 1000sats?  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1001
Looks like after Chinese, USA dumps have started.
member
Activity: 293
Merit: 10

I am sorry that you ended up on the negative side of this process and I really do feel bad about certain aspects of the way it all developed. That being said, we have now moved past that point and cannot turn back.

I told you guys many times it was a bad idea, and I also said, you should honor all SRTokens, by using developer stake. It was only small amount that was over cap, and it would have not hurt you that much, if at all, given developer stakes are something like 15 to  25%?



Why are we even responding to the complaints of someone that bought in after the cap was reached, did not make any posts contributing to the discussion, and then did not check this forum for nearly 3 weeks? 

He suffered no losses.  He had no chance of getting in on the pre-sale, as few if any refunds were asked for. 

Lets move on.
+1. I agree it's a lame argument.. You missed the IPO, nobody's fault but yourself..
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
Member of the Crypti Foundation Board of Directors

I am sorry that you ended up on the negative side of this process and I really do feel bad about certain aspects of the way it all developed. That being said, we have now moved past that point and cannot turn back.

I told you guys many times it was a bad idea, and I also said, you should honor all SRTokens, by using developer stake. It was only small amount that was over cap, and it would have not hurt you that much, if at all, given developer stakes are something like 15 to  25%?



Why are we even responding to the complaints of someone that bought in after the cap was reached, did not make any posts contributing to the discussion, and then did not check this forum for nearly 3 weeks?  

He suffered no losses.  He had no chance of getting in on the pre-sale, as few if any refunds were asked for.  

Lets move on.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500

I am sorry that you ended up on the negative side of this process and I really do feel bad about certain aspects of the way it all developed. That being said, we have now moved past that point and cannot turn back.

I told you guys many times it was a bad idea, and I also said, you should honor all SRTokens, by using developer stake. It was only small amount that was over cap, and it would have not hurt you that much, if at all, given developer stakes are something like 15 to  25%?

member
Activity: 293
Merit: 10
Will people stop whining? Yes a Presale was opened early. How did it harm the IPO buyers? Did they lose significant amounts of money? If so how..

From my point of view. It allowed more people to get involved with the coin. You may not like the current price. But things fluctuate Smiley
member
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legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
I would like to buy some, where can i get it?
full member
Activity: 183
Merit: 100
We've decided to let Pump 'n' Dumpers and exchanges make all decisions for Crypti. We believe that they are unconcerned with short-term profits, and only hold opinions that are in the best interest of Crypti. Regardless of any promises we make to you, we can and will go back on them if we are hounded by enough "community" members. If this is a problem, you should look into investing in another coin, because we, as developers, have no deeply held convictions about the coin we want to make. Even when we make decisions, we will gladly change them in the middle of development to appease a vocal audience.

Now, if you'll excuse me, my lunch hour is over, and I need to go back to my day job that I still have, even though we have 975BTC in funding (at current XCR prices) and I definitely believe in the long term of this coin.
newbie
Activity: 41
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get crypti traded on other exchanges like poloniex on launch. this will boost the price
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
The early sale was done, so we will just have to live with it. Breaking the rules of the IPO may not look so great, and for precisely the reason that BEECoinFan mentioned. Those over the cap and with a chance of still getting IPO coins then had no chance whatsoever.

As I just have PM'ed BEECoinFan, our main goal with this move was to protect the buyers, looking to swap their Bter accounts. We felt it's a reasonable compromise to slightly advance the trades (due to Bter being the major genesis block destination), especially after seeing the poll thread responses.  It also why we did our best to refund these who had their CRSALE pending ASAP, so they could get their BTC back for other opportunities.

I do agree that we could have communicated it better, and perhaps the outcome of the opinions would be different then.
We are learning from this experience, and will apply additional communication mediums next time to reach as many buyers as possible, when such important decision is needed.

Glad to see that those people who wanted instant profit took top priority in what your company wanted to protect.  (As you had to protect their BTER accounts) instead of sticking to the Terms and conditions laid out to the people who's bitcoin you held for over 2 weeks after issuing them CR TOKENS.

As other members have pointed out your poll
a) Allowed all bitcointalk members (including multiple accounts, and non investors to vote)
b) Assuming all 62 yes votes were legit you only had 13.4% of investors voting YES hardly a majority.

Still disgusted in the way you decided to Break one set of terms and conditions but not another (even though they could have been fixed without breaking the second set) I sincerely hope that your team does not continue to conduct business in this manner as I view it as unprofessional and was hoping that you would be a coin that could be considered new technology leader and not bending to a minority's Quick profit mentality.

I would like to just briefly respond to this.

Our team stated from the beginning that we wanted community involvement and input in regards to the development of Crypti. We have made it a point all along to gauge community feedback and try to adapt as appropriate as well as communicate the reasoning behind any changes.

All changes that were made went along with our community minded focus. I understand that in that situation some people will be upset, but we felt like it was the right approach. Early on in development like this, there are a great many opportunities for worthwhile collaboration and input that we didn't want to miss out on.

The initial terms of the pre-sale were actually unlimited investments. There was a refund policy instituted as a requirement by BTER so that if the distribution and pre-sale purchases were too high and the dilution become too large, the investors could refund their investment. This was a function of the unlimited investment amounts.

As we listened to the feedback and talked to the community, it was clear that the majority of investors wanted a cap on investments. There were 2 or 3 very vocal members who did not, but we decided that the majority input was important to us and so we adjusted the parameters of the pre-sale to reflect that desire.

After the cap was announced (after the start of trading) and we started getting closer to the 750 BTC, people started asking about what would happen to investments over the cap (as BTER had left more shares for sale than the pre-sale allowed). At this point we also listened to the community feedback and decided that we would implement a system in which amounts over the 750 BTC would be held to take the place of any amounts refunded as we still had a large portion of the 30 day sales period to go and were almost sold out at the 3 or 4 day mark.

We ended up hitting the 750 BTC at the 4 or 5 day mark, 25 days faster than we had anticipated (we honestly didn't know if we would reach it at all) and ended up with a long waiting period until launch. 2 days into the waiting period there were barely any refunds and BTER approached us in order to discuss early trading as they were worried about all of the requests they were getting for early trading and people trying to sell BTER accounts in a less than secure manner.

Once again we decided to consult the community and get feedback on what was the best option. Let me be clear here, the poll did only show a relatively limited number compared to the total 450+ investors, but the resounding choice on the forums by the majority of those who commented was to start trading. This might be a bit hard to tell by the sheer number of actual posts by the opposition, which were constant and very vocal. I am not saying that is a bad thing, but when you go back and read users and pay attention to the names involved, there were 3 or 4 very vocal members opposed to the trading and the rest pretty much said, let's do this.

As has been our MO from the start of this, we listened to the community feedback and took it into consideration during our internal debate and vote and decided that it was the best option.

This entire process happened over a period of 1-2 weeks. We made it clear from the beginning community feedback is important to us and we mean it. We can't make every person happy and so the decisions are made by us based on what we feel is the best decision and what the majority of the community feels is in their best interests.

I am sorry that you ended up on the negative side of this process and I really do feel bad about certain aspects of the way it all developed. That being said, we have now moved past that point and cannot turn back.

We are open to suggestions as to how you think we can change or improve our communication, decision making process, or just in general relationship with the community. We are internally keeping notes of what we have learned and how we think we can improve and are always looking for feedback.
hero member
Activity: 700
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Member of the Crypti Foundation Board of Directors
With a price now of 1500 satoshi, XCR has a market cap of 1500BTC, making it #40.  The volume of 67 BTC, places XCR in the top 20.  

With additional trading today, XCR may make the top 10 or even #7 for past 24hrs


As far as I understood, pre-trading on BTER is only able for people who participated in the IPO. Is that true or is it possible also for people who didnt take part in IPO?


Well, you cant sell any XCR unless you own it first... so the selling is by the original investors.  Anyone can buy.

After you buy, then you can sell.

Ok I see, thank you. I was only wondering...
I dont expect a MAJOR climb in price before 10.August. Its like an extended IPO period which helps distribution. I expect price to rise significant after release. Its a shame I didnt buy more during IPO  Cry

Juist wait. I expect the first pump this night (GMT)

More than likely. It appears lots are looking to sell at 200% IPO, 300% IPO and 2000sat. Probably take a couple days to shake everyone loose.


When the devs announce new features and marketing deals for XCR there will be a strong boost up. 

sr. member
Activity: 686
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With a price now of 1500 satoshi, XCR has a market cap of 1500BTC, making it #40.  The volume of 67 BTC, places XCR in the top 20.  

With additional trading today, XCR may make the top 10 or even #7 for past 24hrs


As far as I understood, pre-trading on BTER is only able for people who participated in the IPO. Is that true or is it possible also for people who didnt take part in IPO?


Well, you cant sell any XCR unless you own it first... so the selling is by the original investors.  Anyone can buy.

After you buy, then you can sell.

Ok I see, thank you. I was only wondering...
I dont expect a MAJOR climb in price before 10.August. Its like an extended IPO period which helps distribution. I expect price to rise significant after release. Its a shame I didnt buy more during IPO  Cry

Juist wait. I expect the first pump this night (GMT)

More than likely. It appears lots are looking to sell at 200% IPO, 300% IPO and 2000sat. Probably take a couple days to shake everyone loose.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
With a price now of 1500 satoshi, XCR has a market cap of 1500BTC, making it #40.  The volume of 67 BTC, places XCR in the top 20.  

With additional trading today, XCR may make the top 10 or even #7 for past 24hrs


As far as I understood, pre-trading on BTER is only able for people who participated in the IPO. Is that true or is it possible also for people who didnt take part in IPO?


Well, you cant sell any XCR unless you own it first... so the selling is by the original investors.  Anyone can buy.

After you buy, then you can sell.

Ok I see, thank you. I was only wondering...
I dont expect a MAJOR climb in price before 10.August. Its like an extended IPO period which helps distribution. I expect price to rise significant after release. Its a shame I didnt buy more during IPO  Cry

Juist wait. I expect the first pump this night (GMT)
sr. member
Activity: 267
Merit: 250
full member
Activity: 237
Merit: 100
With a price now of 1500 satoshi, XCR has a market cap of 1500BTC, making it #40.  The volume of 67 BTC, places XCR in the top 20.  

With additional trading today, XCR may make the top 10 or even #7 for past 24hrs


As far as I understood, pre-trading on BTER is only able for people who participated in the IPO. Is that true or is it possible also for people who didnt take part in IPO?


Well, you cant sell any XCR unless you own it first... so the selling is by the original investors.  Anyone can buy.

After you buy, then you can sell.

Ok I see, thank you. I was only wondering...
I dont expect a MAJOR climb in price before 10.August. Its like an extended IPO period which helps distribution. I expect price to rise significant after release. Its a shame I didnt buy more during IPO  Cry
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
The early sale was done, so we will just have to live with it. Breaking the rules of the IPO may not look so great, and for precisely the reason that BEECoinFan mentioned. Those over the cap and with a chance of still getting IPO coins then had no chance whatsoever.

As I just have PM'ed BEECoinFan, our main goal with this move was to protect the buyers, looking to swap their Bter accounts. We felt it's a reasonable compromise to slightly advance the trades (due to Bter being the major genesis block destination), especially after seeing the poll thread responses.  It also why we did our best to refund these who had their CRSALE pending ASAP, so they could get their BTC back for other opportunities.

I do agree that we could have communicated it better, and perhaps the outcome of the opinions would be different then.
We are learning from this experience, and will apply additional communication mediums next time to reach as many buyers as possible, when such important decision is needed.

Glad to see that those people who wanted instant profit took top priority in what your company wanted to protect.  (As you had to protect their BTER accounts) instead of sticking to the Terms and conditions laid out to the people who's bitcoin you held for over 2 weeks after issuing them CR TOKENS.

As other members have pointed out your poll
a) Allowed all bitcointalk members (including multiple accounts, and non investors to vote)
b) Assuming all 62 yes votes were legit you only had 13.4% of investors voting YES hardly a majority.

Still disgusted in the way you decided to Break one set of terms and conditions but not another (even though they could have been fixed without breaking the second set) I sincerely hope that your team does not continue to conduct business in this manner as I view it as unprofessional and was hoping that you would be a coin that could be considered new technology leader and not bending to a minority's Quick profit mentality.

I think you made your point - no need to keep reinstating it. As a Crypti investor I am fine with the early release - even though I have no intention to sell anytime soon. No one was injured in the early release.
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