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Topic: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS - page 61. (Read 804672 times)

legendary
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There will be a mobile app for iOS and Android, they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley From within the mobile app you have full control over the dapp store and can launch your dapps from there. Of course the dapp needs to be responsive for this.

Where are dapp files stored:
- Github (centralized method)
- 3rd party decentralized storage (decentralized method); we can't disclose yet who this will be, in the future there will be more than one option

When you install a dapp on your node, you will download it. Then all files are on your node. When you use the full client, it will use the local dapp sources. When you use the lite client you won't install it locally, it will connect to one of the (maximum 16 for now) master nodes and use their dapp sources.

Every dapp has its own side chain (custom chain). This is our interpretation of a decentralized application. While a smart contract always runs on the main chain, a dapp always has its own side chain. Smiley

So executable dapp code can run on a maximum of 16 full node servers, who then service X "lite" node runners who "log in" to use the dapp on the master nodes.  Are these master nodes all Forging Delegates, all Standby delegates, or can they be a mixture of both?  It sounds like the dapp author would want his side chain to be ALL on dedicated Standby Delegate servers and NOT on the Forging Delegate servers, because if ALL side chains are run by the 101 Club, they will get bogged down with running too many chains, right?  

Does the custom side chain have to be running on the same 16 max master full node servers running the executable dapp code?  The 16 master dapp nodes are processing possible changes / additions to the custom side chain and adding new blocks to it every 10 seconds, right?

Does this system mean that the owner of a dapp can send out a "contract closure" message to settle open contracts?  If so, doesn't this mean a single server from the 101 club will have to settle all open dapp contracts within one blocktime upon receiving a closure trigger message?  Isn't this really difficult, since the contracts can be scattered through many GB of the main blockchain?   Will there be limits on the total number of open contracts or the time period over which they must be made and settled?
  
hero member
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Passion_ltc, can we expect an update today as usual or are you guys going to release an update tomorrow like the last couple of weeks?
hero member
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News announce

Ledger can be find here: http://crypti.me:11050/

There is data only from BTC escrow address. Bter will be added when will provide API for us.

We fixed something UI issues in Wallet. Now we are working on wallet backend to make it more security and stable.

PoS forging will be available for users who sent me passphrase on next week (monday-wednesday).

IPO collected around 200-250 BTC. It's good result for now.
IPO continues, Bter escrow: https://bter.com/trade/crsale_btc . Maxmint escrow: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7756916

Custom blockchains

On the end of next week we start work on Custom blockchains.

With next features:
  • Custom blockchains API
  • Integration with Crypti blockchain
  • Data storage
  • Calculations
  • Custom blockchain implementation
  • Appstore in Wallet

And then first apps on custom blockchains, etc...


A year has passed. Are we still here?   Roll Eyes

Sure. Smiley Someone remembers the exact date of the IPO end?
legendary
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News announce

Ledger can be find here: http://crypti.me:11050/

There is data only from BTC escrow address. Bter will be added when will provide API for us.

We fixed something UI issues in Wallet. Now we are working on wallet backend to make it more security and stable.

PoS forging will be available for users who sent me passphrase on next week (monday-wednesday).

IPO collected around 200-250 BTC. It's good result for now.
IPO continues, Bter escrow: https://bter.com/trade/crsale_btc . Maxmint escrow: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7756916

Custom blockchains

On the end of next week we start work on Custom blockchains.

With next features:
  • Custom blockchains API
  • Integration with Crypti blockchain
  • Data storage
  • Calculations
  • Custom blockchain implementation
  • Appstore in Wallet

And then first apps on custom blockchains, etc...


A year has passed. Are we still here?   Roll Eyes
hero member
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Boris, Crypti Lead Developer, Lisk Advisor
There will be a mobile app for iOS and Android, they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley From within the mobile app you have full control over the dapp store and can launch your dapps from there. Of course the dapp needs to be responsive for this.

OK, so there's dapps in the Crypti dapp store.  What is the plan for where these dapp files are stored?  As files on a single Crypti website server?  As files on all 101 Delegate servers?  As data on seperate custom XCR side chains?

Where are dapp files stored:
- Github (centralized method)
- 3rd party decentralized storage (decentralized method); we can't disclose yet who this will be, in the future there will be more than one option


We already integrated one decentralized storage, but more info later.
hero member
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The strangest thing for me is that people are not buying Crypti like crazy. The only competitor is Ethereum. But they are doing it wrong.

Nobody knows about us. We don't want to build a gigantic hype, we want to build with value.

Edit: But you can be sure, once the hype is here (and it will come at one point) the price will grow FAST.  Cool
legendary
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The strangest thing for me is that people are not buying Crypti like crazy. The only competitor is Ethereum. But they are doing it wrong.
hero member
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Crypti Community Manager
There will be a mobile app for iOS and Android, they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley From within the mobile app you have full control over the dapp store and can launch your dapps from there. Of course the dapp needs to be responsive for this.

OK, so there's dapps in the Crypti dapp store.  What is the plan for where these dapp files are stored?  As files on a single Crypti website server?  As files on all 101 Delegate servers?  As data on seperate custom XCR side chains?

Where are dapp files stored:
- Github (centralized method)
- 3rd party decentralized storage (decentralized method); we can't disclose yet who this will be, in the future there will be more than one option


When you install a dapp on your node, you will download it. Then all files are on your node. When you use the full client, it will use the local dapp sources. When you use the lite client you won't install it locally, it will connect to one of the (maximum 16 for now) master nodes and use their dapp sources.

Every dapp has its own side chain (custom chain). This is our interpretation of a decentralized application. While a smart contract always runs on the main chain, a dapp always has its own side chain. Smiley
legendary
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Private blockchains for all - thats the magic words IMO.
hero member
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What Litoshi said is not 100% correct. Smiley
Oh, as usual Cheesy

Litoshi is correct most of the times and I'm very glad he is helping me out with the questions here. Smiley
legendary
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hero member
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Crypti Community Manager
There will be a mobile app for iOS and Android, they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley From within the mobile app you have full control over the dapp store and can launch your dapps from there. Of course the dapp needs to be responsive for this.

OK, so there's dapps in the Crypti dapp store.  What is the plan for where these dapp files are stored?  As files on a single Crypti website server?  As files on all 101 Delegate servers?  As data on seperate custom XCR side chains?

I will answer you later, currently I'm on mobile. What Litoshi said is not 100% correct. Smiley
legendary
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There will be a mobile app for iOS and Android, they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley From within the mobile app you have full control over the dapp store and can launch your dapps from there. Of course the dapp needs to be responsive for this.

OK, so there's dapps in the Crypti dapp store.  What is the plan for where these dapp files are stored?  As files on a single Crypti website server?  As files on all 101 Delegate servers?  As data on seperate custom XCR side chains?

In my garage, Mal:



Right there, behind the bullion

 Grin Grin Grin

I hope you remember to lower your garage door when you drive off to work.

Wait a minute, with that much bullion....
hero member
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Mal,

The Dapps would be stored first on the computer that they were developed on, as a backup.  They would be available on Apple App store, where they would be hosted.  In the Crypti Dapp store, they would be on the server, as well as backed up by either Boris, Stas, or Seb...... or even all three.

The dapps that need a custom side chain would be the responsibility of the developer that wrote it to run the block chain necessary for the dapp to operate.  He can do that himself, or pay delegates a small fee to run the block chain for him.  I imagine that there would need to be a dozen or more delegates running each sidechain for it to be secure


Since the delegates are only actually forging 10 seconds out of every 16 minutes, they would have lots of available time to forge a sidechain as well.
hero member
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Member of the Crypti Foundation Board of Directors
There will be a mobile app for iOS and Android, they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley From within the mobile app you have full control over the dapp store and can launch your dapps from there. Of course the dapp needs to be responsive for this.

OK, so there's dapps in the Crypti dapp store.  What is the plan for where these dapp files are stored?  As files on a single Crypti website server?  As files on all 101 Delegate servers?  As data on seperate custom XCR side chains?

In my garage, Mal:



Right there, behind the bullion

 Grin Grin Grin
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
There will be a mobile app for iOS and Android, they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley From within the mobile app you have full control over the dapp store and can launch your dapps from there. Of course the dapp needs to be responsive for this.

OK, so there's dapps in the Crypti dapp store.  What is the plan for where these dapp files are stored?  As files on a single Crypti website server?  As files on all 101 Delegate servers?  As data on seperate custom XCR side chains?
hero member
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Crypti Community Manager
they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley

I hope you have plan B if they refuse  Roll Eyes

Sure, we are always prepared. Wink But there is no reason to not accept our clients once they are ready. Smiley
legendary
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they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley

I hope you have plan B if they refuse  Roll Eyes
hero member
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Let me start a rambling discussion on the upcoming XCR custom blockchain capabilities. 

According to several posters here, the Apple and Android (A&A) app stores are apparently unfriendly to cryptocurrency apps.  If so, there needs to be an alternate way to distribute cryptocoin apps outside of the Apple and Android ecosystems.  So, is it possible to create an app for both A&A that would take the contents of a new Crypti side chain, validate it as coming from a trusted or previously utilized source, and then load that side chain data as a new or upgraded existing app that would be run on an A or A smartphone? 

Basically I am proposing that we at XCR only need to get a single app accepted by A&A, which would be a "plain vanilla" XCR side chain code loader app.  This would allow all other apps using XCR to be accessed and downloaded not thru A&A but from new XCR side chains.   This vanilla XCR app, once loaded on a smartphone, could then watch for new XCR side chains (and thus new XCR apps) and alert the user when new XCR-specific apps were available.   This would allow the (anonymous?) publication of new XCR apps, prevent censorship of apps by A&A, and keep new XCR apps from being lost in the daily noise of all other apps routinely added to the A&A App Stores.

Is this doable?  A reasonably good idea? 

The good news is that Crypti has web-wallet, thus, browser on iPhone coulde be "the app" itself. User just need to know the mobilewallet.crypti.me address or so.

So...you are saying somebody could use a browser on a smartphone to go to a website run by Crypti.  That website could host downloadable executable files.   Those executable files could be new / updated smartphone apps.

This is all good....but how is this any different from what a non-blockchain-based website can do now?   It is not a decentralized solution and the mobilewallet.crypti.me website can be DDoSed or seized by the FBI or just go down from a single server outage.

I think it would be better if the Apple App store, the Android Play store, GitHub, the XCR webwallet at mobilewallet.crypti.me, and many other locations stored a single app (written for many computer and smartphone OS) and that single app was used as the gateway for many / all other XCR-based apps stored on decentralized XCR sidechains. 

Isn't there a difference between using a website to distribute downloadable apps and using XCR sidechains to distribute downloadable apps?   (Can we) / (Don't we want to) provide such a sidechain app download capability?

Note that the app I am proposing doesn't directly use cryptocoins as a payment / token mechanism and so presumably would not be objectionable to A&A.  It would only access data on a blockchain.

There will be a mobile app for iOS and Android, they should be accepted at the app stores of Apple and Google. Smiley

From within the mobile app you have full control over the dapp store and can launch your dapps from there. Of course the dapp needs to be responsive for this.
hero member
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Hey , Max, could you please change the whitepaper link on page 1 of this thread to point at the NEW whitepaper?  Thx...

Done. Smiley Thank you for pointing that out.
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