[XDN] DarkNote. Anonymous 100% PoW CPU+Untraceable Crypto Messages+GUI Client! - page 41.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 05:57:11 PM

1. 4 billion people are not mining cryptocoins. That is a tiny subsegment.

2. XDN is nothing like DOGE, at least not at its peak. Even outside of its peak, DOGE was popularized on reddit, etc. Where is the corresponding nexus for XDN?

I agree there are people in various places who don't read this forum regularly. I don't agree there are many in this segment that aren't even aware of it.

I'm as much a prisoner of the Anglosphere as you are, smooth. IDK where the rest of the planet's "corresponding nexuses" are.

VK is Russian Facebook...that's all I got, sorry! Cheesy

A tiny subsegment of 4 billion is still a large number. And that minority are the elites of the wealthy and information-rich.

Ducknote is much like DOGE, taking a light-hearted approach instead of your moody 'Crypto Is Serious Business' no-fun-allowed paradigm.

I presume most of the residents of those other nexuses know as much about this place as we know about theirs, which is to say little-to-nothing.

Cryptonote itself did not originate here on the BTC mothership or its alma mater, the cypherpunk lserv; it came from Out There, somewhere in the vastness of The Scattering which followed the ascension of God-Emperor Satoshi. Don't worry, it's all part of His Golden Path... Wink

Upwards and Outwards

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on October 04, 2014, 05:54:26 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:21:06 AM

Where are these "local communities" that mine obscure cryptocoins but don't even know about btctalk?

DarkNote is 31st out of the 500 coins on CMC, which hardly qualifies as "obscure."

Those "local communities" are probably in areas where English isn't a popular language.

Doge brought crypto to vast, entirely new, demographic swaths and DuckNote appealed to the same groups.

You do realize there are four billion people in Asia and Europe who don't GAF about this Anglocentric forum and have their own forums, right?

1. 4 billion people are not mining cryptocoins. That is a tiny subsegment.

2. XDN is nothing like DOGE, at least not at its peak. Even outside of its peak, DOGE was popularized on reddit, etc. Where is the corresponding nexus for XDN?

I agree there are people in various places who don't read this forum regularly. I don't agree there are many in this segment that aren't even aware of it.

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:21:06 AM

Where are these "local communities" that mine obscure cryptocoins but don't even know about btctalk?

DarkNote is 31st out of the 500 coins on CMC, which hardly qualifies as "obscure."

Those "local communities" are probably in areas where English isn't a popular language.

Doge brought crypto to vast, entirely new, demographic swaths and DuckNote appealed to the same groups.

You do realize there are four billion people in Asia and Europe who don't GAF about this Anglocentric forum and have their own forums, right?

smooth

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Quote from: TheUsualStuff on October 04, 2014, 03:56:30 PM

Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:25:59 AM

Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:21:06 AM

Where are these "local communities" that mine obscure cryptocoins but don't even know about btctalk?

Sure, there are not many of them, but there are a number of those who said "what cryptocointalk?".
Imagine, some people, somewhere really do know about crypto but absolutely do not care about this forum for sure.

Sounds like heaven Cheesy

Or maybe extraterrestrials?

No wait, I figured it out. The moon!

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Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:25:59 AM

Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:21:06 AM

Where are these "local communities" that mine obscure cryptocoins but don't even know about btctalk?

Sure, there are not many of them, but there are a number of those who said "what cryptocointalk?".
Imagine, some people, somewhere really do know about crypto but absolutely do not care about this forum for sure.

Sounds like heaven Cheesy

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Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:02:31 AM

Just observed pool workers number, stats are open on all duck/DarkNote pool. So 10000 workers doesn`t mean 10000 persons, for sure. One person can run many workers. Yes, we expect 2000-3000 of active miners, and much more of XDN users.

Thanks!

Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:14:22 AM

basically we do not need tor/i2p integration in client. Currently all messages are stored in blockchain, and recipient can always "receive" it with his private keys.
Yes we are thinking about short-life messaging implementation - and we do know the ways, there is no problem to do it. Short-life messages will not be included in blockchain.

After @Alias implementation you will be able to give a name to your address, like

@TheUsualStuf

So, to send you a message i only need to know your alias.
Aliases will be available via client, you will pay for an alias some XDN, miners will receive that rewards for aliasing.

The ways of message using:

Download client -> Mine some XDN with client (help network) -> Send message

#Mail #DarkTwitter #SocialNetworking .... etc can be implemented on XDN encrypted data channel.

Interesting, clearly you can see much further than I can Cheesy

aliasing is interesting, as always, thank you for mentioning it. Could I make the comparison to an email system here, where the darknote system can be like an email network and I could possibly interface your client with thunderbird? So could it be like a fully encrypted p2p email system that is virtually free?

This is pretty mindblowing stuff, and I'm really excited at the prospect! I hadn't thought that aliasing can be coupled with an email client, what do you think?

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Looks like messages boosted transactions in DarkNote. Lots of fee payed Cool

Block 44000 - 126,366

Block 44720 - 131,806

720 blocks (~2 days) = 5440 transactions = 7.5 transactions in block or 2720 transactions/day

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Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:37:55 AM

I'm asking where are these "local communities" (and you used the pleural) where many people are mining an obscure little cryptocurrency and don't know about bitcointalk?

Please, respect my privacy, Sir.
Please, respect privacy of people with whom you are talking, thank you.

EDIT after EDIT:

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Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:25:59 AM

Imagine, some people, somewhere really do know about crypto but absolutely do not care about this forum for sure.

Yes many do not care. I feel that way on at last 50% of days, if not more.

That is different from not knowing about. You are talking in circles.

I'm asking where are these "local communities" (and you used the plural) where many people are mining an obscure little cryptocurrency and don't know about bitcointalk?

EDIT: I fear I am concentrating too much on that finger again, so never mind. Nice chatting with you dNote. I look forward to your upcoming announcements.

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Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:21:06 AM

preconception

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Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:21:06 AM

Where are these "local communities" that mine obscure cryptocoins but don't even know about btctalk?

Sure, there are not many of them, but there are a number of those who said "what cryptocointalk?".
Imagine, some people, somewhere really do know about crypto but absolutely do not care about this forum for sure.

smooth

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Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:17:51 AM

Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:08:58 AM

Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:05:18 AM

Lots of people who mine DarkNote do not know about btctalk

Really?

Yes. Lots of those who know, do not post here or read it. You underestimate the local communities who do not care about btctalk.
I am ok with btctalk.

I agree with not posting or reading it, but not even knowing about it? That is hard to swallow.

I have friends who barely know what cryptocoins are at all, and they still know about btctalk. They don't read it, but they at least know about it, and would almost certainly look at it if they wanted to get more involved.

Where are these "local communities" that mine obscure cryptocoins but don't even know about btctalk?

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Quote from: smooth on October 04, 2014, 11:08:58 AM

Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:05:18 AM

Lots of people who mine DarkNote do not know about btctalk

Really?

Yes. Lots of those who know, do not post here or read it. You underestimate the local communities who do not care about btctalk.
I am ok with btctalk.

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Well, 10,000 persons would be a lot, but even if it is 1/10 of that, DarKNote really has things going fastforward.
Currently many experienced coin-enthusiasts have not yet noticed DarkNote.
Based on what is being done by dNote and what is in the pipeline, I expect things will change very fast.
There are currently only 3 coins around with powerfull dedicated teams and community. DarkNote is one of them.

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Quote from: TheUsualStuff on October 04, 2014, 01:44:54 AM

Does this mean you are considering a type of tor/i2p integration into your client? As far as I understand, bitmessage relies on a few servers to store encrypted messages for a certain amount of time (2 days). Darknote would have this information permanently recorded on the blockchain..unless...

Regardless of the implementation, you're saying that your implementation of ring signatures can be utilized to create a short-life message? AFAICS that would involve pruning of the blockchain. Do you mean to say you're going to implement a pruning system into CryptoNote? Is this a reduction/reorginization of useful information stored in the blockchain, or the ability to cut off the blockchain before a chosen certain date?

Staying tuned now for sure Cheesy

basically we do not need tor/i2p integration in client. Currently all messages are stored in blockchain, and recipient can always "receive" it with his private keys.
Yes we are thinking about short-life messaging implementation - and we do know the ways, there is no problem to do it. Short-life messages will not be included in blockchain.

After @Alias implementation you will be able to give a name to your address, like

@TheUsualStuf

So, to send you a message i only need to know your alias.
Aliases will be available via client, you will pay for an alias some XDN, miners will receive that rewards for aliasing.

The ways of message using:

Download client -> Mine some XDN with client (help network) -> Send message

#Mail #DarkTwitter #SocialNetworking .... etc can be implemented on XDN encrypted data channel.

smooth

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Quote from: dNote on October 04, 2014, 11:05:18 AM

Lots of people who mine DarkNote do not know about btctalk

Really?

dNote

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Quote from: jwinterm on October 04, 2014, 09:06:10 AM

Quote from: TheUsualStuff on October 04, 2014, 01:44:54 AM

Quote from: dNote on October 03, 2014, 10:14:44 AM

I can say that ~10.000 workers mined DarkNote last month on average.

We expect 2000-3000 active miners and more that 10000 persons who have some XDN. That is an approximate value.

Do you mind me asking how you figured that out? Are you taking the hashrate and using the 2000-3000 miner number to represent the average hashrate per user of the network? That's what I'd do, divide the hashrate by the average hashrate obtainable by a standard computer owner I guess. What do you think?

Maybe he means that he has a botnet of 1990 computers, so there's gotta be at least 10 other people mining? Tongue

I kind of doubt the 10k persons number. I wrote a python script yesterday to parse how many posters there were on a bitcointalk thread, and on the duckNote thread there was a total of 287 different people who posted, and less than 150 people who posted more than one message. That would indicate almost a 100:1 lurker to poster ratio, which seems kinda high. I would be interested also in how the 10k persons number was arrived at. I will post some data tomorrow or the next day comparing btctalk activity amongst the different cryptonotes (along with the source code for anyone interested).

Thank you! very useful stats, would be nice to see it. Lots of people who mine DarkNote do not know about btctalk, or just do not post here.

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Quote from: TheUsualStuff on October 04, 2014, 01:44:54 AM

Quote from: dNote on October 03, 2014, 10:14:44 AM

I can say that ~10.000 workers mined DarkNote last month on average.

We expect 2000-3000 active miners and more that 10000 persons who have some XDN. That is an approximate value.

Do you mind me asking how you figured that out?

Just observed pool workers number, stats are open on all duck/DarkNote pool. So 10000 workers doesn`t mean 10000 persons, for sure. One person can run many workers. Yes, we expect 2000-3000 of active miners, and much more of XDN users.

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Quote from: TheUsualStuff on October 04, 2014, 01:44:54 AM

Quote from: dNote on October 03, 2014, 10:14:44 AM

I can say that ~10.000 workers mined DarkNote last month on average.

We expect 2000-3000 active miners and more that 10000 persons who have some XDN. That is an approximate value.

Do you mind me asking how you figured that out? Are you taking the hashrate and using the 2000-3000 miner number to represent the average hashrate per user of the network? That's what I'd do, divide the hashrate by the average hashrate obtainable by a standard computer owner I guess. What do you think?

Maybe he means that he has a botnet of 1990 computers, so there's gotta be at least 10 other people mining? Tongue

I kind of doubt the 10k persons number. I wrote a python script yesterday to parse how many posters there were on a bitcointalk thread, and on the duckNote thread there was a total of 287 different people who posted, and less than 150 people who posted more than one message. That would indicate almost a 100:1 lurker to poster ratio, which seems kinda high. I would be interested also in how the 10k persons number was arrived at. I will post some data tomorrow or the next day comparing btctalk activity amongst the different cryptonotes (along with the source code for anyone interested).

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Quote from: dNote on October 03, 2014, 10:14:44 AM

I can say that ~10.000 workers mined DarkNote last month on average.

We expect 2000-3000 active miners and more that 10000 persons who have some XDN. That is an approximate value.

Do you mind me asking how you figured that out? Are you taking the hashrate and using the 2000-3000 miner number to represent the average hashrate per user of the network? That's what I'd do, divide the hashrate by the average hashrate obtainable by a standard computer owner I guess. What do you think?

Quote from: dNote on October 03, 2014, 12:33:33 PM

DarkNote encrypted messsages is a different too BitMessage technology, and as we believe, DarkNote encrypted messages is much more powerful.
We are working on new features, and one is the almost zero or no fee for short-life messages.

Any service, like "DarkTwitter" can be implemented on DarkNote messages base layer. In future we will improve cryptography to make different use-case solutions. Stay updated.

Does this mean you are considering a type of tor/i2p integration into your client? As far as I understand, bitmessage relies on a few servers to store encrypted messages for a certain amount of time (2 days). Darknote would have this information permanently recorded on the blockchain..unless...

Regardless of the implementation, you're saying that your implementation of ring signatures can be utilized to create a short-life message? AFAICS that would involve pruning of the blockchain. Do you mean to say you're going to implement a pruning system into CryptoNote? Is this a reduction/reorginization of useful information stored in the blockchain, or the ability to cut off the blockchain before a chosen certain date?

Staying tuned now for sure Cheesy

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