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Quote from: Jojatekok on July 23, 2014, 10:26:14 AM

Quote from: dNote on July 23, 2014, 09:48:53 AM

Quote from: fluffypony on July 22, 2014, 06:01:48 PM

I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd

monero devs seems to be absolutely beginners - your accusations and anger touched us, here is a result of 10 min research of your kiddy coding, concerning Payments ID and games with your kiddy coin wallet:
Second chapter of any average "Beginners in C++ guide" says that arguments can be passed to parameters either by value or by reference.
Looks like monero devs did not noticed that, when they recently read that kind of books.

Lets look at this playground:
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/d433a696e527a01c1cbef48495652335140f0bb2

With "Monero golden ampersand bug" made by monero devs, monero devs missed some &, wuuups:

bool validate_transfer(const std::list destinations, const std::string payment_id, std::vector& dsts, std::vector& extra, epee::json_rpc::error& er);

bool wallet_rpc_server::validate_transfer(const std::list destinations, const std::string payment_id, std::vector& dsts, std::vector& extra, epee::json_rpc::error& er)

Affects: Monero simplewallet since at least June 18 just lose all Payment ID data, so people can lost their money if they use your so called monero RPC "features". Again - all transfers in monero network made with JSON-RPC Payment ID, EG from Poloniex exchange to Bittrex exchange was made wrong if they use monero latest main kiddy code, or may be just lost. Qua, qua, qua ...

Users, be careful with kiddy coders.

Remember the good old game Duck Hunt? Well, it's time for some nostalgia by clarifying some things.

First of all, you seem to forget the main point of cryptocurrency by trying to "fight" other coins for your own profit. That's just simply unacceptable, period.

Also, test releases - surprisingly - mean that they are not ready for real-world use, and may cause harm for the brave man who take time trying to improve software by using it and notifying the developers about errors. On the other hand, can you explain the reason behind plagiarizing Monero's repositories without letting anyone know? You've just tried to evade Fluffypony's question, but I'll make sure you answer it here and now, in front of your own fans. Public apologies are welcome and accepted. Wink

And could you explain the reason behind Monero plagiarizing from Bytecoin?

The original post on your subreddit was deleted:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/295mbh/monero_devs_are_copycats/

However, it had two following references:
https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/commit/baaa3484271e11398790bbf01ee4d7b19c68e3bb#diff-74021cb60bde0670646eb96a91e4443cR707
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/3a3a8176782a4fa75b0607fba0393c9d4a1746be#diff-74021cb60bde0670646eb96a91e4443cR707

Your community members started to say that "it is fine" to plagiarize in open source. Quote from neozaru:

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If you are not a troll, read this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source#Society_and_culture
bitmonero itself was and will be forked too.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/295mbh/monero_devs_are_copycats/cihtkf7

Double standards monero?

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Quote from: dNote on July 23, 2014, 10:47:07 AM

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We've never claimed we "made" payment ID. We added it to the JSON RPC call in the wallet. That's it. Simple.

And you used the code (as did Bytecoin) without crediting us. Simple.

As pointed out, we fixed that bug 8 days ago.

Also, exchanges and services are using stable releases, not compiling head.

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Oh. foolish.Who?
The dev of XMR.

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Quote from: fluffypony on July 23, 2014, 10:20:20 AM

Quote from: dNote on July 23, 2014, 09:48:53 AM

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Well, I'll cut-and-paste my reply to you from Github:

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@ducknote Please don't act stupid, you're better than this.

1. You're conflating - that was pulled into the code long before there were any Monero developers: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/333f975760c156727dd7408f87e937af856d8bf1. We have not failed to credit the CryptoNote developers, and where there is code that is merged from other CryptoNote projects we ALWAYS credit the source. For example, we have credited Boolberry on more than one occasion: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/c050ff43bf5a8310b18081c5cd3d9bcd123416b8, https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/3bc16dc0e6bd38fbec51a054e640bacdb17a9a82. Similarly, Boolberry have credited us on more than one occasion: https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/f7a019683a2ecc1954b761ac7094d588644ecf1c, https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/88bfcbf6d067a3f15f3d22a87dcb54211dc11f17, and https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/0ae9a2f24757e7229cf63776b5897c5b408c065e.

2. I've never heard of a "golden ampersand" bug, and neither has Google. Either you're outrightly lying, or you're using the wrong term entirely. Regardless, your ad hominem attack is nothing more than a straw man argument to try and detract from your despicable failure to credit the authors of the code you have merged down.

To be specific, again, this functionality (the payment ID being available in the JSON RPC transfer call) is not something you wrote. It is something we wrote. I have already linked you to the commit where it was merged on June 2nd. Don't worry - you're not the only one that has failed to credit Monero, Bytecoin also added the change on June 25th, stripped the code comments, and failed to credit us.

If you wish to remain honourable it would be appropriate for you not to insult me or any of the contributors to Monero, and to credit us where you have used our code. Of course, if there is anything you write that we use we will most definitely credit you, just as we have done with Boolberry.

Code gets committed to staging so it can be tested. The piece of code you're referring to is not in the 0.8.8 tagged release, and is thus not finalised. Thanks for pointing out the error, but nobody has lost anything.

lolollol "golden ampersand" bug - is mine © - i call it golden because just one "&" can cause a lot of money loss by monero users.

Again - Transaction ID was implemented in Bytecoin long before monero made it - https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/commit/57cf53625817223733bdaf2f4e518ebae978713e April 29.

Monero just made it in RPC call, that part of kiddy code was ok, but nothing special and nothing hard. and at least that part of monero code was ok.

AGAIN:

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Code gets committed to staging so it can be tested. The piece of code you're referring to is not in the 0.8.8 tagged release, and is thus not finalised. Thanks for pointing out the error, but nobody has lost anything.

Lets do like that:
1. Go to http://monero.cc
2. Click Getting Started link

http://monero.cc/getting-started/index.html
3. Click http://monero.cc/getting-started/index.html#install_source
4. Here we can read: git clone git://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero && cd bitmonero && make
5. Go to the suggested code, master branch -> commits: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master
6. Find that commit https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/d433a696e527a01c1cbef48495652335140f0bb2 on master branch
7. Profit! Monero got "golden ampersand" bug since that commit, means since June 18th. All exchanges and services that made source code compilation from monero master branch since June 18th affected.

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Incidentally, this was fixed 8 days ago, but this branch is not ready to merge into master yet: https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/commit/e7a3bd19f61d047f3daa49910e0d7da41ef47a8b

I guess that's what happens when you have an entire group of people contributing to a project instead of just one.

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Quote from: dNote on July 23, 2014, 09:48:53 AM

Quote from: fluffypony on July 22, 2014, 06:01:48 PM

I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd

monero devs seems to be absolutely beginners - your accusations and anger touched us, here is a result of 10 min research of your kiddy coding, concerning Payments ID and games with your kiddy coin wallet:
Second chapter of any average "Beginners in C++ guide" says that arguments can be passed to parameters either by value or by reference.
Looks like monero devs did not noticed that, when they recently read that kind of books.

Lets look at this playground:
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/d433a696e527a01c1cbef48495652335140f0bb2

With "Monero golden ampersand bug" made by monero devs, monero devs missed some &, wuuups:

bool validate_transfer(const std::list destinations, const std::string payment_id, std::vector& dsts, std::vector& extra, epee::json_rpc::error& er);

bool wallet_rpc_server::validate_transfer(const std::list destinations, const std::string payment_id, std::vector& dsts, std::vector& extra, epee::json_rpc::error& er)

Affects: Monero simplewallet since at least June 18 just lose all Payment ID data, so people can lost their money if they use your so called monero RPC "features". Again - all transfers in monero network made with JSON-RPC Payment ID, EG from Poloniex exchange to Bittrex exchange was made wrong if they use monero latest main kiddy code, or may be just lost. Qua, qua, qua ...

Users, be careful with kiddy coders.

Remember the good old game Duck Hunt? Well, it's time for some nostalgia by clarifying some things.

First of all, you seem to forget the main point of cryptocurrency by trying to "fight" other coins for your own profit. That's just simply unacceptable, period.

Also, test releases - surprisingly - mean that they are not ready for real-world use, and may cause harm for the brave man who take time trying to improve software by using it and notifying the developers about errors. On the other hand, can you explain the reason behind plagiarizing Monero's repositories without letting anyone know? You've just tried to evade Fluffypony's question, but I'll make sure you answer it here and now, in front of your own fans. Public apologies are welcome and accepted. Wink

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Quote from: dNote on July 23, 2014, 09:48:53 AM

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Well, I'll cut-and-paste my reply to you from Github:

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@ducknote Please don't act stupid, you're better than this.

1. You're conflating - that was pulled into the code long before there were any Monero developers: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/333f975760c156727dd7408f87e937af856d8bf1. We have not failed to credit the CryptoNote developers, and where there is code that is merged from other CryptoNote projects we ALWAYS credit the source. For example, we have credited Boolberry on more than one occasion: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/c050ff43bf5a8310b18081c5cd3d9bcd123416b8, https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/3bc16dc0e6bd38fbec51a054e640bacdb17a9a82. Similarly, Boolberry have credited us on more than one occasion: https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/f7a019683a2ecc1954b761ac7094d588644ecf1c, https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/88bfcbf6d067a3f15f3d22a87dcb54211dc11f17, and https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/0ae9a2f24757e7229cf63776b5897c5b408c065e.

2. I've never heard of a "golden ampersand" bug, and neither has Google. Either you're outrightly lying, or you're using the wrong term entirely. Regardless, your ad hominem attack is nothing more than a straw man argument to try and detract from your despicable failure to credit the authors of the code you have merged down.

To be specific, again, this functionality (the payment ID being available in the JSON RPC transfer call) is not something you wrote. It is something we wrote. I have already linked you to the commit where it was merged on June 2nd. Don't worry - you're not the only one that has failed to credit Monero, Bytecoin also added the change on June 25th, stripped the code comments, and failed to credit us.

If you wish to remain honourable it would be appropriate for you not to insult me or any of the contributors to Monero, and to credit us where you have used our code. Of course, if there is anything you write that we use we will most definitely credit you, just as we have done with Boolberry.

Code gets committed to staging so it can be tested. The piece of code you're referring to is not in the 0.8.8 tagged release, and is thus not finalised. Thanks for pointing out the error, but nobody has lost anything.

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Please, there's no need for that.
It'd be nice to credit people where possible, keeping commit messages and authorship where appropriate, whether or not this particular patch was from (I've not looked). There really is no need to go find fault in other code, we all have something we're not too proud of anyway, hidden in some old commit Cheesy

Please take it as a good occasion to code something nice that Monero devs will then want to use (with credit of course). We all gain when this happens.

_o<

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Quote from: fluffypony on July 22, 2014, 06:01:48 PM

I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd

monero devs seems to be absolutely beginners - your accusations and anger touched us, here is a result of 10 min research of your kiddy coding, concerning Payments ID and games with your kiddy coin wallet:
Second chapter of any average "Beginners in C++ guide" says that arguments can be passed to parameters either by value or by reference.
Looks like monero devs did not noticed that, when they recently read that kind of books.

Lets look at this playground:
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/d433a696e527a01c1cbef48495652335140f0bb2

With "Monero golden ampersand bug" made by monero devs, monero devs missed some &, wuuups:

bool validate_transfer(const std::list destinations, const std::string payment_id, std::vector& dsts, std::vector& extra, epee::json_rpc::error& er);

bool wallet_rpc_server::validate_transfer(const std::list destinations, const std::string payment_id, std::vector& dsts, std::vector& extra, epee::json_rpc::error& er)

Affects: Monero simplewallet since at least June 18 just lose all Payment ID data, so people can lost their money if they use your so called monero RPC "features". Again - all transfers in monero network made with JSON-RPC Payment ID, EG from Poloniex exchange to Bittrex exchange was made wrong if they use monero latest main kiddy code, or may be just lost. Qua, qua, qua ...

Users, be careful with kiddy coders.

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Quote from: Xmining on July 23, 2014, 09:23:25 AM

Quote from: joewills on July 23, 2014, 04:47:14 AM

I sell many XDN at 6 satoshi and buy more XDN at 5 satoshi.
How great it is!

Look everybody! We got ourselves an entrepreneur! Grin

Thx. I just need more XDN.

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Quote from: joewills on July 23, 2014, 04:47:14 AM

I sell many XDN at 6 satoshi and buy more XDN at 5 satoshi.
How great it is!

Look everybody! We got ourselves an entrepreneur! Grin

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Quote from: fluffypony on July 22, 2014, 06:01:48 PM

I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd

Just checked again, aaand
r u kidding me?

Payment ID was implemented in duckNote since the Initial commit! So that feature was made by Bytecoin developers, here is the commit:
https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/commit/57cf53625817223733bdaf2f4e518ebae978713e - April 29

So, backward pass to you, can monero devs credit Bytecoin devs, at least at that case.

P.S. never looked at side of monero before, checked, lots of anger there, bad emotions, duck like peace, rabbit runs from war. D< Quack

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I sell many XDN at 6 satoshi and buy more XDN at 5 satoshi.
How great it is!

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Quote from: smooth on July 23, 2014, 12:53:07 AM

Quote from: dNote on July 23, 2014, 12:43:51 AM

Quote from: fluffypony on July 22, 2014, 06:01:48 PM

I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd

"the very many changes we've made that they've merged down" - many changes merged from XMR to duckNote - really? Please count down again. I guess there is the only one merged change mentioned by you, maybe there was another one.

No. duckNote has its own way.

Actually we (devs) absolutely do not care about monero, since we do not see any innovation there. XMR is just a direct fork of Bytecoin, with some cosmetic changes and unprecedented speculative activity. I mean we are not against or with monero, we just do not care and that coin do not attract our interest at all.

Good luck with your fork developing, but pacify megalomania Grin

Quack D<

That was a bit meandering but I'm wondering what is your specific objection to crediting the source of patches you use.

No objections, Sir, We used payment ID patch to provide better integration with HTML GUI.
If all monero community, or just a single developer was hurt (if it is their very first use of that patch - we just did not know that), much apologies, overtures and pas.
Any way GUI HTML wallet is a temporary solution, and now we are working on multiple native duckNote GUI, as well as working on coin itself.

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Quote from: dNote on July 23, 2014, 12:43:51 AM

Quote from: fluffypony on July 22, 2014, 06:01:48 PM

I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd

"the very many changes we've made that they've merged down" - many changes merged from XMR to duckNote - really? Please count down again. I guess there is the only one merged change mentioned by you, maybe there was another one.

No. duckNote has its own way.

Actually we (devs) absolutely do not care about monero, since we do not see any innovation there. XMR is just a direct fork of Bytecoin, with some cosmetic changes and unprecedented speculative activity. I mean we are not against or with monero, we just do not care and that coin do not attract our interest at all.

Good luck with your fork developing, but pacify megalomania Grin

Quack D<

That was a bit meandering but I'm wondering what is your specific objection to crediting the source of patches you use.

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Quote from: fluffypony on July 22, 2014, 06:01:48 PM

I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd

"the very many changes we've made that they've merged down" - many changes merged from XMR to duckNote - really? Please count down again. I guess there is the only one merged change mentioned by you, maybe there was another one.

No. duckNote has its own way.

Actually we (devs) absolutely do not care about monero, since we do not see any innovation there. XMR is just a direct fork of Bytecoin, with some cosmetic changes and unprecedented speculative activity. I mean we are not against or with monero, we just do not care and that coin do not attract our interest at all.

Good luck with your fork developing, but pacify megalomania Grin

Quack D<

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I understand that there are lots of altcoins launched with barely a nod to ethical behaviour, but it would be greatly appreciated if Ducknote credited us for the very many changes we've made that they've merged down and claimed to be their own.

eg.

https://github.com/ducknote/ducknote/commit/e4a36e6af1ed89e13857f7d61a7aa3616c578b34 committed on July 4th

was originally added by us :

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/117393d562fc9782efed0e1b25f6470d9f8102b2 committed on June 2nd

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http://duck.extremepool.org/ stuck again.please fix it

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