Topic: XFX 7970 Core edition Cancelled due to little bitches (Read 2960 times)

Wierd did my post get deleted? Shoed up in my "new replies" list... but my comment isn't here. V. odd.

Where in the uk are you ?
And what would you be looking for in Gbp ?

James.

Let us know if you manage to close a deal. This guy doesn't seem to be willing to do anything to increase his credibility. I was nearly ready to pull the trigger but then chickened out remembering how I got scammed in the past. Anyway, should have probably done it when it was worth 1.5 BTC, now it's twice as much

Hi mate,

I'm in the UK and would be willing to pay without escrow. But I will have to be sure of who you are and that you aren't scamming.

I'd pay with Paypal if you have a verified account. Alternatively, I have UK registered business you could ship to and i'd BACs the money over. Send me a PM.

Copy/Paste.

Sorry, but that's just not true. I have made many deals with people on this forum and have never used escrow, I've never been scammed or have scammed. Escrow is a personal choice, but I prefer trust. Don't judge people for having a different choice than yours.

Not willing to use escrow = scam

I can vouch for John (John K.)Third party.. escrow service..  
Used it for $3500.00 transaction couple of weeks ago.. Seamless, smooth transaction. I personally wouldn't do any transaction here without him.. You can do a search for his credibility..
Better than the unknown.. Just saying.. if your on the fence.. 

To the OP:

You should only escrow with those you have built trust with. If you don't build trust, there's no reason to escrow.

Escrow has as much scam as anything else. There *are* a couple of people here who are trustworthy, notably those who have little to lose by being an intermediary and a lot to lose by losing their reputations. It's a matter of trying to see enough of what's what to know whether or not these people have a significant stake in their reputations.

Consider how untrusting people are of you, on that basis.

Nope

Yes, and personally i wont trust anybody with around 400$ just to check if seller delivers. Its not a registered business that you need to trust, by your saying, but just a forum member.
Those 3 points apply, and you dont need escrow, when the amount of coins/cash is low, except the first one, there are escrows that dont add any fee for their services.


To OP:
The card could be halfway here, and also your coins on the escrow waiting for you. BTC price now is up, so if you have sold to me you could have made some $ extra than the price when selling me the card.
If you change your mind, please pm me to notify John.

I'm making three points (for those who see a tl;dr coming with the size of this post):

1: Escrow tends to add cost without really adding value.
2: Escrow is only useful when you really, really distrust the other side of the sale (or just mistrust in general).
3: Escrow requires a centralized trust for cash flow.

And now for the justifications of these two points:

The cost of maintaining an escrow account is pretty straightforward: at a bank, you pay a fee plus a percentage of the transaction amounts on a regular basis (which can vary depending on the amounts). In the BTC world, there isn't necessarily a built-in or "standard" cost.

We can't verify how much is attached to any particular BTC address.

If you scam someone here, you pretty much can't do business again--it's just not wise to piss off the community.

And for the final point: you are asking for centralized trust in a decentralized system. Once you pay, the money goes out. If it goes to the wrong address, you have no means of verifying or validating. But the real power here is the social one: you might make a BTC with a sale, but if it's less than about £1000 in value (7-8 BTC as I write this), it is really worth risking ever being able to do business again?

Lots of people hide behind the anonymity of the forum, but in reality a theft online is still a theft, and can be reported as such. The system breaks down when we don't invest trust, which is why the system works the way it does: it's no longer impersonal. You are dealing direct with someone, instead of using bankers as intermediaries.

Is it really worth devaluating everyone's investments into this system to make a couple hundred pounds/euros/dollars? That's why trust is important.

Escrow... it breaks some of the core ideas of decentralization. And while I can sympathize with both sides of this (buyers and sellers both, who want to ensure that things go through), someone who is new to the community (like myself) doesn't know enough about who's who in order to say that anyone is or isn't trustworthy. But what I can say is that human trust is as much of an investment as the finances involved. But unlike BTC (or any cryptocurrency, fiat currency, or commmodity), you can't escrow trust: either you invest it, or you don't.

If someone really wants to escrow something, consider the total result of doing it, not just the finances involved. It hurts the community to require it, and it hurts the community to break trust. THAT is why the 'scammer' tag is really important. It's a way of establishing that someone cannot be trusted. If someone has been around a few months or years, has a well-established account with a few dozen posts and doesn't have the scammer tag, why then can they not be trusted to sell something which isn't really going to do harm to anyone?

The ONLY rule in finance: never implicate more than you can afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose it, don't risk it, period.

EDIT: Found this in another thread (locked) and thought it was actually decent:

If I could offer a bit of advice and third part words of wisdom...

There are pool operators that provide escrow services.  Do you really think they are going to risk their rep and income from their pools over a couple bucks for escrow services?  Not chance!   I'm not naming any names because I dont want you to think I'm in with someone trying to nail you down to someone specific so we can scam ya.  I know how it can feel to get scammed and it makes it tough to trust others.  But your rep is everything in this community, except for a guy I bought riser cables from apparently, but if I had to accept an escrow someone who runs a pool would be at the top of my list because they have way to much to lose over like what, $5 or $10??

Because the other side of the coin is buyers who have been scammed time and time again and 99.9% of the time when a seller wont accept escrow with no rep, they get tagged with scammer tags soon after.

I might be interested.

Like others will only use Escrow, I've used John one of the moderators here when i sold a couple grands worth of stuff to Lenny.
No problems at all.

Or i'm in the Midlands if you want to do a face to face exchange.

"Im not trying to say that you are a scammer, but it seems like this." That is the greatest example of a contradiction.

Yeah right, decent users are the ones that dont want escrow. Im not trying to say that you are a scammer, but it seems like this.
Hope your sell goes fine for both sides, or even better, find someone locally to do the trade

If I have to put up with peoples BS
I rather wait till a decent user like patman is wanting the card.

Guess he isn't "that strapped for cash" then.. 

Seriously guys, who gives a fuck? The people who are bitching about no escrow are just mad because they want the card. And the OP is not going to use escrow. Let him sell the card however he wants. Who gives a shit that it's been sitting for a few days? If he is willing to wait for a buyer that is willing to not use escrow, then let him wait.



Sheesh.

See PatMan miter_myles gets my point if you do not trust someone you do not have to trade and a lot of the time it is super easy to spot scammers.