Alright... break it up guys. Please stick to such phrases as "we're going to the moon" and "we have a big announcement coming this week".
Thank you.
Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 658. (Read 4670673 times)
February 26, 2016, 12:49:32 PM
February 26, 2016, 10:53:01 AM
Of course it does. Running the piece of shit JVM and requiring it is pretty heavy.
Your description of the JVM makes you look like a caveman, or at least a philistine. A caveman with a good sense of mass, admittedly, but a caveman nonetheless.
Be it known: You can write screaming fast code for JVM. It requires, however, some skill and understanding of the platform, which most HLL coders lack, probably because they don't need it. (I have seen sub-microsecond HFT smart routing done in pure Java, to excellent effect.) And the tooling ecosystem is without parallel.
Which is not an argument in favor of adding a dependency, by any means. But I would be loathe to call English a p.o.s. language just because of the great vowel shift and a massively bloated lexicon. Give Shakespeare some credit, man.
February 26, 2016, 07:52:08 AM
As far as the I2P implementation into Monero, fluffypony has stated, "The issue was that we didn't want to add Java as a dependency for running Monero, so our focus has been on a C++ implementation of the I2P router." https://forum.bitcoin.com/ama-ask-me-anything/i-m-riccardo-fluffypony-spagni-of-the-monero-core-team-ask-me-anything-t2872.html
I'm just curious about why a C++ version of I2P is being chosen since "regular" I2P is Java-based. Does having Java as a dependency pose any risks and/or present greater overhead? As for speed, my guess is that C++ would be faster, but would it be that much faster? I'm slowly dabbling in those languages and don't know enough about either to know the pros/cons of each when it comes to this application. The language I know best is PHP.
I'm just curious about why a C++ version of I2P is being chosen since "regular" I2P is Java-based. Does having Java as a dependency pose any risks and/or present greater overhead? As for speed, my guess is that C++ would be faster, but would it be that much faster? I'm slowly dabbling in those languages and don't know enough about either to know the pros/cons of each when it comes to this application. The language I know best is PHP.
If I recall correctly your question gets answered in the missive, see:
http://podbay.fm/show/1032156854/e/1451151298?autostart=1
February 26, 2016, 02:31:31 AM
As far as the I2P implementation into Monero, fluffypony has stated, "The issue was that we didn't want to add Java as a dependency for running Monero, so our focus has been on a C++ implementation of the I2P router." https://forum.bitcoin.com/ama-ask-me-anything/i-m-riccardo-fluffypony-spagni-of-the-monero-core-team-ask-me-anything-t2872.html
I'm just curious about why a C++ version of I2P is being chosen since "regular" I2P is Java-based. Does having Java as a dependency pose any risks and/or present greater overhead? As for speed, my guess is that C++ would be faster, but would it be that much faster? I'm slowly dabbling in those languages and don't know enough about either to know the pros/cons of each when it comes to this application. The language I know best is PHP.
I'm just curious about why a C++ version of I2P is being chosen since "regular" I2P is Java-based. Does having Java as a dependency pose any risks and/or present greater overhead? As for speed, my guess is that C++ would be faster, but would it be that much faster? I'm slowly dabbling in those languages and don't know enough about either to know the pros/cons of each when it comes to this application. The language I know best is PHP.
February 25, 2016, 09:53:52 PM
thx folks! at the moment i am satisfied with the paperwallet.
February 25, 2016, 09:11:25 PM
is there a GUI wallet?
I was trying to answer before any possible snarky answers were given as this is the eternal question. However as usual I was too slow but am happy you were given proper answers.
Anyway good to see you
Since the proposal of the official QT GUI was funded we can just point people to the FFS thread and the activity on Github, which is already a great improvement I think.
February 25, 2016, 09:06:05 PM
is there a GUI wallet?
I was trying to answer before any possible snarky answers were given as this is the eternal question. However as usual I was too slow but am happy you were given proper answers.
Anyway good to see you
February 25, 2016, 09:00:33 PM
-Jwinterm's lightwallet, which uses a remote node. See -> https://getmonero.org/getting-started/choose (at the bottom). Instructions on how to run a remote node here -> https://www.moneroclub.com/node
Can use either a remote node (less privacy, potentially less secure, but lightweight with respect to your own resources) or your own node (maximum privacy and security).
February 25, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
is there a GUI wallet?
Not yet, we recently funded a proposal to get it finished. See (there are also some screenshots there):
https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2476/the-official-qt-gui-project
His work and the activity can be followed on:
https://github.com/mbg033?tab=activity
https://github.com/mbg033/monero-core
https://github.com/mbg033/bitmonero
The current options are:
-MyMonero, which is a web wallet and very convenient to use -> https://MyMonero.com.
-Simplewallet, this is a CLI, which might have a bit of a learning curve but does better in preserving your privacy. Binaries here -> https://getmonero.org/downloads/. You need to sync the whole blockchain from scratch though to use simplewallet. Syncing from scratch is done with the daemon (bitmonerod). If you want, I can walk you through on how to use simplewallet at IRC. Alternatively, feel free to ask any questions here.
-Jwinterm's lightwallet, which uses either your own or a remote node. See -> https://getmonero.org/getting-started/choose (at the bottom). Instructions on how to run a remote node here -> https://www.moneroclub.com/node
-Lastly, there is https://Moneroaddress.org which can be used to generate a paper wallet. It is simply a port of -> https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator and can be used offline.
Again, if you have any question, don't hesistate to ask!
February 25, 2016, 08:53:06 PM
is there a GUI wallet?
This is a frequently asked question. There will be one soon; it is fully funded and being worked on at the moment. I personally estimate we will see it before the end of summer (if it even takes that long).
In the meantime Monero is perfectly usable via command line, and there is always MyMonero.com to simplify the process for us non-techies. The latter is an open-source, client side app that makes sending and receiving XMR a breeze. It's so easy, even a console peasant could do it.
There a few other unofficial GUI's that the community sometimes recommend, but I'm not familiar with them.
Once it's out, the official GUI will unlock a new wave of awareness and excitement about Monero. It won't be long because the major hurdles preceding it have been cleared. Therefore if you are interested in Monero long term, now is the time to begin investigating it in earnest and skip to the front of the line.
February 25, 2016, 08:25:28 PM
is there a GUI wallet?
February 25, 2016, 04:30:36 PM
Looks like you have some kind of GUI GPG. Where is that available? I used linux command line.
Anyway. I progressed. This is what I did.
The GPG GUI is Kleopatra.
sudo apt-get install kleopatra
February 25, 2016, 02:12:27 PM
I wouldn't add my key as a trusted one. It's enough to check that when you see a good signature, the key fingerprint matches the fingerprint of the key which is supposed to have signed.
Here, you imported my key, import says its fingerprint is 4D6CEFC3.
When you verify, you should check the signature was made by 4D6CEFC3 (ie, mine).
Anyone can make a key claiming to be from "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>", so do not trust that part. You need only trust you imported the right key in the first place. Then check the fingerprints match. That should be good enough.
Here, you imported my key, import says its fingerprint is 4D6CEFC3.
When you verify, you should check the signature was made by 4D6CEFC3 (ie, mine).
Anyone can make a key claiming to be from "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>", so do not trust that part. You need only trust you imported the right key in the first place. Then check the fingerprints match. That should be good enough.
February 25, 2016, 01:59:05 PM
I am creating some paperwallets by https://moneroaddress.org/
I anyway can avoid possible botnets by using that page offline when creating papewallet. But to be sure that the nmemonic seed is real, I has to check by some onlinewallet.
At the end of that site there is some guide of using GPG key. I guess a can download the same address-generator code from github and verify the validity of the code by GPG. The guide anyway is slightly messy for me. Can someone explain it more simple way? If it is possible?
I anyway can avoid possible botnets by using that page offline when creating papewallet. But to be sure that the nmemonic seed is real, I has to check by some onlinewallet.
At the end of that site there is some guide of using GPG key. I guess a can download the same address-generator code from github and verify the validity of the code by GPG. The guide anyway is slightly messy for me. Can someone explain it more simple way? If it is possible?
[1] Download the .ZIP file from -> https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator. You can extract it on an USB, preferably a fresh one. It contains an HTML page that is used as generator and can be used offline.
[2] You can grab MoneroMooo's PGP key from -> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/monero-project/bitmonero/master/utils/gpg_keys/moneromooo.asc. Subsequently, you can use any PGP/GPG program to verify if the generator hasn't been tampered with. The program simply verifies that the generator has been PGP signed by MoneroMooo. You should see a message similar to:
Quote
gpg: Good signature from "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>
I am not sure, but I think this step can also be performed offline.
[3] Once you have verified the seed and have all the compartments on a fresh USB, you can bring the fresh USB to an offline/airgapped pc to generate a paperwallet with it.
Does this answer all your questions?
EDIT: Included a screenshot how [2] should look like:
EDIT2: If you or anyone else needs additional help or a walk through regarding [2], feel free to PM me on IRC. I am at #monero on freenode. I'll compile a guide for it later.
Looks like you have some kind of GUI GPG. Where is that available? I used linux command line.
Anyway. I progressed. This is what I did.
1. I downloaded the ZIP-file from https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator
2. I opened this site https://raw.githubusercontent.com/monero-project/bitmonero/master/utils/gpg_keys/moneromooo.asc and copypasted its whole contain to a texteditor, named the file as moneromooo.asc and saved it to the same directory where I dowloaded the ZIP file. I did not yet use USB stick since I am just testing.
3. I opened the linux command line and went to the folder where I put those files. I gave command
$gpg --import moneromooo.asc
gpg: /home.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
gpg: key 4D6CEFC3: public key "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>" bring
gpg: All in all treated: 1
gpg: bring: 1 (RSA: 1)
4. I gave command
$ gpg --verify monero-wallet-generator.html.asc
gpg: Signature made to 7. january 2016 02.14.58 EET using RSA key ID 4D6CEFC3
gpg: Good signature from "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>"
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified as a reliable signature!
gpg: There is no guarantee that the signature really belongs to its holder.
Primary key fingerprint: 48B0 8161 FBDA DFE3 93AD FC3E 686F 0745 4D6C EFC3
So is everything just fine? Looks like there is some problem with the key. I am not using english linux so I made some translations to those messages. Do not wonder if the language looks slightly different than usually.
The key is still valid, so it isn't that. See:
EDIT: Moneromooo just stated on IRC that you should add his key/PGP to your trusted list. The key should be "4D6CEFC3", which seems all right in your case.
EDIT2: Program used is this -> https://www.gpg4win.org/download.html. Not sure if they have a linux/mac client somewhere.
February 25, 2016, 01:32:02 PM
I am creating some paperwallets by https://moneroaddress.org/
I anyway can avoid possible botnets by using that page offline when creating papewallet. But to be sure that the nmemonic seed is real, I has to check by some onlinewallet.
At the end of that site there is some guide of using GPG key. I guess a can download the same address-generator code from github and verify the validity of the code by GPG. The guide anyway is slightly messy for me. Can someone explain it more simple way? If it is possible?
I anyway can avoid possible botnets by using that page offline when creating papewallet. But to be sure that the nmemonic seed is real, I has to check by some onlinewallet.
At the end of that site there is some guide of using GPG key. I guess a can download the same address-generator code from github and verify the validity of the code by GPG. The guide anyway is slightly messy for me. Can someone explain it more simple way? If it is possible?
[1] Download the .ZIP file from -> https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator. You can extract it on an USB, preferably a fresh one. It contains an HTML page that is used as generator and can be used offline.
[2] You can grab MoneroMooo's PGP key from -> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/monero-project/bitmonero/master/utils/gpg_keys/moneromooo.asc. Subsequently, you can use any PGP/GPG program to verify if the generator hasn't been tampered with. The program simply verifies that the generator has been PGP signed by MoneroMooo. You should see a message similar to:
Quote
gpg: Good signature from "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>
I am not sure, but I think this step can also be performed offline.
[3] Once you have verified the seed and have all the compartments on a fresh USB, you can bring the fresh USB to an offline/airgapped pc to generate a paperwallet with it.
Does this answer all your questions?
EDIT: Included a screenshot how [2] should look like:
EDIT2: If you or anyone else needs additional help or a walk through regarding [2], feel free to PM me on IRC. I am at #monero on freenode. I'll compile a guide for it later.
Looks like you have some kind of GUI GPG. Where is that available? I used linux command line.
Anyway. I progressed. This is what I did.
1. I downloaded the ZIP-file from https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator
2. I opened this site https://raw.githubusercontent.com/monero-project/bitmonero/master/utils/gpg_keys/moneromooo.asc and copypasted its whole contain to a texteditor, named the file as moneromooo.asc and saved it to the same directory where I dowloaded the ZIP file. I did not yet use USB stick since I am just testing.
3. I opened the linux command line and went to the folder where I put those files. I gave command
$gpg --import moneromooo.asc
gpg: /home.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
gpg: key 4D6CEFC3: public key "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>" bring
gpg: All in all treated: 1
gpg: bring: 1 (RSA: 1)
4. I gave command
$ gpg --verify monero-wallet-generator.html.asc
gpg: Signature made to 7. january 2016 02.14.58 EET using RSA key ID 4D6CEFC3
gpg: Good signature from "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>"
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified as a reliable signature!
gpg: There is no guarantee that the signature really belongs to its holder.
Primary key fingerprint: 48B0 8161 FBDA DFE3 93AD FC3E 686F 0745 4D6C EFC3
So is everything just fine? Looks like there is some problem with the key. I am not using english linux so I made some translations to those messages. Do not wonder if the language looks slightly different than usually.
February 25, 2016, 12:33:55 PM
Crosspost from reddit:
"We now accept Monero at GoBelle.me and ProductMonth.com"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/47j55o/we_now_accept_monero_at_gobelleme_and/
"We now accept Monero at GoBelle.me and ProductMonth.com"
Quote
Hi. This is just to let you know that we think highly of this cryptocurrency and for this reason we've implemented it for both https://productmonth.com and http://gobelle.me; we will also support it for implementation on the CoinPayments payment processor with the maximum of ten votes for each store that we have. We are building now a more complex platform that will accept cryptocurrencies and hopefully until it's done we can find a solution to implement automatic Monero payments without paying too much for a dedicated plugin. We're looking into it! Have a nice day
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/47j55o/we_now_accept_monero_at_gobelleme_and/
They also accept scamcoins like Dash and other crapcoins. Nothing special.
Regardless of that, it's a good development for the Monero ecosystem.
February 25, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Crosspost from reddit:
"We now accept Monero at GoBelle.me and ProductMonth.com"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/47j55o/we_now_accept_monero_at_gobelleme_and/
"We now accept Monero at GoBelle.me and ProductMonth.com"
Quote
Hi. This is just to let you know that we think highly of this cryptocurrency and for this reason we've implemented it for both https://productmonth.com and http://gobelle.me; we will also support it for implementation on the CoinPayments payment processor with the maximum of ten votes for each store that we have. We are building now a more complex platform that will accept cryptocurrencies and hopefully until it's done we can find a solution to implement automatic Monero payments without paying too much for a dedicated plugin. We're looking into it! Have a nice day
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/47j55o/we_now_accept_monero_at_gobelleme_and/
They also accept scamcoins like Dash and other crapcoins. Nothing special.
February 25, 2016, 12:08:17 PM
Crosspost from reddit:
"We now accept Monero at GoBelle.me and ProductMonth.com"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/47j55o/we_now_accept_monero_at_gobelleme_and/
"We now accept Monero at GoBelle.me and ProductMonth.com"
Quote
Hi. This is just to let you know that we think highly of this cryptocurrency and for this reason we've implemented it for both https://productmonth.com and http://gobelle.me; we will also support it for implementation on the CoinPayments payment processor with the maximum of ten votes for each store that we have. We are building now a more complex platform that will accept cryptocurrencies and hopefully until it's done we can find a solution to implement automatic Monero payments without paying too much for a dedicated plugin. We're looking into it! Have a nice day
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/47j55o/we_now_accept_monero_at_gobelleme_and/
February 25, 2016, 07:46:58 AM
I am creating some paperwallets by https://moneroaddress.org/
I anyway can avoid possible botnets by using that page offline when creating papewallet. But to be sure that the nmemonic seed is real, I has to check by some onlinewallet.
At the end of that site there is some guide of using GPG key. I guess a can download the same address-generator code from github and verify the validity of the code by GPG. The guide anyway is slightly messy for me. Can someone explain it more simple way? If it is possible?
I anyway can avoid possible botnets by using that page offline when creating papewallet. But to be sure that the nmemonic seed is real, I has to check by some onlinewallet.
At the end of that site there is some guide of using GPG key. I guess a can download the same address-generator code from github and verify the validity of the code by GPG. The guide anyway is slightly messy for me. Can someone explain it more simple way? If it is possible?
[1] Download the .ZIP file from -> https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator. You can extract it on an USB, preferably a fresh one. It contains an HTML page that is used as generator and can be used offline.
[2] You can grab MoneroMooo's PGP key from -> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/monero-project/bitmonero/master/utils/gpg_keys/moneromooo.asc. Subsequently, you can use any PGP/GPG program to verify if the generator hasn't been tampered with. The program simply verifies that the generator has been PGP signed by MoneroMooo. You should see a message similar to:
Quote
gpg: Good signature from "moneromooo-monero <[email protected]>
I am not sure, but I think this step can also be performed offline.
[3] Once you have verified the seed and have all the compartments on a fresh USB, you can bring the fresh USB to an offline/airgapped pc to generate a paperwallet with it.
Does this answer all your questions?
EDIT: Included a screenshot how [2] should look like:
EDIT2: If you or anyone else needs additional help or a walk through regarding [2], feel free to PM me on IRC. I am at #monero on freenode. I'll compile a guide for it later.
February 25, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
I am creating some paperwallets by https://moneroaddress.org/
I anyway can avoid possible botnets by using that page offline when creating papewallet. But to be sure that the nmemonic seed is real, I has to check by some onlinewallet.
At the end of that site there is some guide of using GPG key. I guess a can download the same address-generator code from github and verify the validity of the code by GPG. The guide anyway is slightly messy for me. Can someone explain it more simple way? If it is possible?
I anyway can avoid possible botnets by using that page offline when creating papewallet. But to be sure that the nmemonic seed is real, I has to check by some onlinewallet.
At the end of that site there is some guide of using GPG key. I guess a can download the same address-generator code from github and verify the validity of the code by GPG. The guide anyway is slightly messy for me. Can someone explain it more simple way? If it is possible?
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